Do We Dare Discuss 911 With Poll

doc111

doc111

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canuckgrow said:
alright so I haven't done acid in 20 years LOL where do I get these notions of something smells about this incident?
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Not saying something isn't rotten in Denmark. What I am saying is I don't buy into the death ray, Bush and Cheney, the U.S. government, did it bullshit. I think it was islamic extremist hijackers. Why they did it and who they really represent are the real questions IMO. What they hope to accomplish as well, but I think any sane person can make the assumption that they weren't inviting us over for a Pampered Chef party. My gut tells me that the U.S. government simply covered things up that perhaps showed how incompetent the CIA was or the FBI for not catching this. It seemed pretty obvious in hindsight, that these young muslim men were up to no good. Where were the mechanisms for tracking them? How could these guys who were on terror watch lists allowed into the country? The next big, successful attack will be something nobody expects, or something that nobody can really detect or defend against. Maybe it will be a crude nuke or a dirty bomb. I can't say. I just hope all of the deaths haven't been completely in vain.:sad:
 
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fdd2blk

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doc111 said:
Not saying something isn't rotten in Denmark. What I am saying is I don't buy into the death ray, Bush and Cheney, the U.S. government, did it bullshit. I think it was islamic extremist hijackers. Why they did it and who they really represent are the real questions IMO. What they hope to accomplish as well, but I think any sane person can make the assumption that they weren't inviting us over for a Pampered Chef party. My gut tells me that the U.S. government simply covered things up that perhaps showed how incompetent the CIA was or the FBI for not catching this. It seemed pretty obvious in hindsight, that these young muslim men were up to no good. Where were the mechanisms for tracking them? How could these guys who were on terror watch lists allowed into the country? The next big, successful attack will be something nobody expects, or something that nobody can really detect or defend against. Maybe it will be a crude nuke or a dirty bomb. I can't say. I just hope all of the deaths haven't been completely in vain.:sad:
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thank you. :-P
 
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NoDrama

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doc111 said:
Not saying something isn't rotten in Denmark. What I am saying is I don't buy into the death ray, Bush and Cheney, the U.S. government, did it bullshit. I think it was islamic extremist hijackers. Why they did it and who they really represent are the real questions IMO. What they hope to accomplish as well, but I think any sane person can make the assumption that they weren't inviting us over for a Pampered Chef party. My gut tells me that the U.S. government simply covered things up that perhaps showed how incompetent the CIA was or the FBI for not catching this. It seemed pretty obvious in hindsight, that these young muslim men were up to no good. Where were the mechanisms for tracking them? How could these guys who were on terror watch lists allowed into the country? The next big, successful attack will be something nobody expects, or something that nobody can really detect or defend against. Maybe it will be a crude nuke or a dirty bomb. I can't say. I just hope all of the deaths haven't been completely in vain.:sad:
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So it has to do with their religion eh? So you kinda bought into that whole Muslims are terrorists thing that Bush asked you to believe didn't you? Oh and you know Im sure we went and attacked all those terrorists home country right? Oh wait a second,15 of the "hijackers" were from Saudi Arabia, 1 from Lebanon and 2 from United Aran Emirates. Amazing how we didn't attack any of the countries who supposedly housed the terrorists all their lives. Nope instead we made up a lie that all those terrorists were all In Iraq and Afghanistan and that they had Weapons of Mass Destruction and that they called themselves Al Qaeda and they were 25,000 strong. Yet here we are 10 years later and Al Qaeda still has 25,000 members if not many more and we have killed MILLIONS people so far over there. Doesn't sound like an anti terrorist game plan to me, sounds more like Genocide.

Total US deaths in Iraq and Afghan are 7,200. 7,200 people that won't ever be coming home to their families except in a box. 7,200 American people that died over a huge LIE!

What single event spawned a generation of Muslim haters? What event was the Key to allowing the US war machine to kill millions of innocents? What single event brought the Country together against what we were told was a "Threat" to the American way of life?

You bet there is something rotten in Denmark and it isn't the Cheese.

If the Chinese dropped onto the Ground here in the USA and went Door to Door killing people would you pick up a gun and fight back? What if the reason for doing it was to look for terrorists? Would you still pick up a gun and fight? We aren't in Iraq/Afghanistan looking for terrorists, we are there to kill anyone who stands in our way of resource development.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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NoDrama said:
I never said energy weapons were responsible for 911, your own mind led you to that conclusion, not me.
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lol i dont see anyone else bringing "evidence of beam weapons" to the table...

but dont worry i can't blame you for running away from that batshit crazy idea..

so like fdd said "so what happened?"
 
Vento

Vento

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A lot of people are focused on the buildings falling ... look a bit deeper !

Where was the air defence that day ? ... who was where? .... Market trade trends prior to the day ?

Key people who died that day ?.....Location of the pentagon strike ?.... Who Filmed and photographed the event ?

Supposed attackers movements prior to the event ?.... Can a plane be flown that low and at that speed by a pilot with a record of being a very bad pilot in a single engine trainer plane ? ... And not leave a heat vapour trail ( watch the videos again )

9/11Was an inside job ...But its like a rabbit hole you wish you never went down .
 
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fdd2blk

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Vento said:
Oh... and what was the Secretary Of Defence doing on the pentagon lawn that day ?.... would one not think he would have been ushered away to a bunker to take control of events ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipxiGjgA5Xs&feature=related
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can you help me understand how it all went down? like a "series of events".

CIA builds radio controlled jet planes, .... passengers are sworn to secrecy and sent to live in Tahiti, ... rockets are launched at pentagon from subs based off the east coast, .... first building falls, ...


something like that.

i really do want to know.

thanks. :)

maybe i should start a thread just for theories. ;)
 
undertheice

undertheice

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NoDrama said:
So it has to do with their religion eh? So you kinda bought into that whole Muslims are terrorists thing that Bush asked you to believe didn't you? Oh and you know I'm sure we went and attacked all those terrorists home country right? Oh wait a second,15 of the "hijackers" were from Saudi Arabia, 1 from Lebanon and 2 from United Arab Emirates. Amazing how we didn't attack any of the countries who supposedly housed the terrorists all their lives. Nope instead we made up a lie that all those terrorists were all In Iraq and Afghanistan and that they had Weapons of Mass Destruction and that they called themselves Al Qaeda and they were 25,000 strong. Yet here we are 10 years later and Al Qaeda still has 25,000 members if not many more and we have killed MILLIONS people so far over there. Doesn't sound like an anti terrorist game plan to me, sounds more like Genocide.

Total US deaths in Iraq and Afghan are 7,200. 7,200 people that won't ever be coming home to their families except in a box. 7,200 American people that died over a huge LIE!

What single event spawned a generation of Muslim haters? What event was the Key to allowing the US war machine to kill millions of innocents? What single event brought the Country together against what we were told was a "Threat" to the American way of life?

You bet there is something rotten in Denmark and it isn't the Cheese.

If the Chinese dropped onto the Ground here in the USA and went Door to Door killing people would you pick up a gun and fight back? What if the reason for doing it was to look for terrorists? Would you still pick up a gun and fight? We aren't in Iraq/Afghanistan looking for terrorists, we are there to kill anyone who stands in our way of resource development.
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such drama. thousands of americans killed, two nations decimated and the entire world in an uproar. all for what, a resource we have here in abundance? we may not be allowed to remove it, but it would take a great deal less conniving to change that state of affairs than engaging the entire world in a battle that was doomed from its outset. i suppose terrorist attacks and islamic uprisings around the globe were engineered for this nasty little scheme as well. why not just claim that al qaeda is an arm of the cia? after all, we originally armed and trained these folks to counter the soviets. they must still be working for those shady powers because no one ever changes sides, now do they.

unless you live in a world of continuous, ignorant duplicity, you must recognize this as a load of crap. even the idea of creating "a generation of Muslim haters" is a steaming pile. in a world where muslims control a huge percentage of a resource that has become necessary for our very survival, what point is there in alienating them? that's a strategy destined only to strengthen the ties between those fractured states and solidify them into an intractable bloc, leaving us at the mercy of their fundamentalist ideologues. the entire war for oil scenario begins to unravel once you realize that the age of military conquest is over. only the most backward and the most desperate resort to such crude methods. there are far simpler means of attaining wealth and power that don't involve the slaughter of millions and throwing the entire world into turmoil.

it can be explained a million times and there will still be folks that insist it's all some big conspiracy. of course it has little or nothing to do with religion or with oil or even with the muscle flexing of the military-industrial complex. it's simply the ongoing struggle for power that has always engulfed the entire world. it's people with little power trying to gain more, people with too much power trying to hold onto it and all the shades in between. the monsters we imagine to be responsible for our atrocities are ourselves. you may want to believe that it takes powerful men to be so ruthless and that a handful of men are incapable of sparking a conflict that kills millions, but you'd be naive and you'd most certainly be wrong.
 
Vento

Vento

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fdd2blk said:
can you help me understand how it all went down? like a "series of events".

CIA builds radio controlled jet planes, .... passengers are sworn to secrecy and sent to live in Tahiti, ... rockets are launched at pentagon from subs based off the east coast, .... first building falls, ...


something like that.

i really do want to know.

thanks. :)

maybe i should start a thread just for theories. ;)
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I wish i could Fdd ..Really i do .

It's human for people to focus on the things they can see ... I think the buildings being hit and destroyed are just a tiny part of the bigger picture .

Lot's of independent people are now starting to look at how the buildings fell and why , But aside from that we have many many MANY connections and evidence that points a finger at the people with the motive and the means to do something like this .

It becomes clear when you start to see the lies and cover ups that took place on and after the day , People should look at the lies ... and then add that to the facts .

Rice denied any prior knowledge of any type of attack like this , But we find out they had been planning for this kind of attack for years .... and Could it just be a coincidence that the plan was being played out in a simulation on that day ?

[video=youtube;hgPjrGwn7sQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgPjrGwn7sQ&feature=related[/video]

Also , Could it just be a coincidence that the man in charge of the writing up this plan was killed on 9/11 as he was the pilot of the plane that flew into the pentagon .... Right into the window of his old office .

You can't make this stuff up :)

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t10500.html
 
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fdd2blk

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ok, i believe EVERYTHING you say. can you maybe make an "educated guess" as to what went down? you have a shit on of evidence. piece some of it together and "make something up". use your imagination. i'm just seeking peoples thoughts. :)
 
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dxco

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If it was an inside job I believe that -as much as an asshole Bush II is, he wasn't involved in the planning. Chaney, on the other hand, was surely involved or, at very least, knew it was going down. I believe the core of the Bush II administration knew it was going down and on what day and the exact time. They allowed 911 to happen when they could have stopped it with a few phone calls to the TSA or whoever was heading airport security back then. Inside job? They're too stupid -I think they just provided assistance that the terrorists themselves weren't even aware of!
It was a plan carried out by some Saudi Jihadi's who thought they were striking out against the oppressive US governments support of Israel and general mistreatment of mussie's in several third-world countries. Anybody who believes that we (the US) hasn't mistreated muslims in some of the poorest african countries is just stupid -We have -And we continue to do so! We have also mistreated latino people in South America for decades -We massacred people in the Phillipines -Cambotia, Laos... The list goes on. The mussie's are the only ones who have the crazy religious fanitics willing to go out and blow themselves up to take out a few westerners. If we had such supporters of the US cause our governemnt would be sending them out to commit these otricities too (Oh... Wait, we do -They're called GI's & Marines recruited from the poorest communities in the US-The "expendable" pawns of our "war on terrorism")
What's the differrence between flying a plane full of innocent people into a building and firing an unmanned cruise missle into a neighborhood in Bagdad? What about the US "accidentally" firing a 2000Kg Bunker-Busting bomb into a community bomb shelter filled with hundreds of civilians just because they think there is ONE "High-Value" target hiding in it? We (the west) have killed more muslim civilians in Iraq over the past 20 years than muslim terrorists have killed in the history of muslim terrorists! Before we started our war in Iraq, there was NO Al qaeda presence -Now they are flocking in from all over the mideast for a chance to fight the American Oppressors. We have reduced their country to a pile of rubble! Completely destroyed their infrasructure. We have squandered billions of dollars in "recontruction" money with no reconstruction -Instead that money has gone into the pockets of companies with names like Halliburton, the Carlisle Group, etc. -AND GUESS WHO OWNES THOSE COMPANIES: Chaney, Bush, Saudi Prince Bandar (Bandar Bush), even the Bin Laden Family ownes stock in the ever-secretive Carlisle Group!
Who had the most to gain by the attacks of 911? (see above)
Osama bin Laden was on the CIA payroll when the 911 attacks were carried out!
The US government surely didn't carry out the attacks BUT, you can be sure that there were people within the core of the Bush administration that knew exactly what was going on and what day to short sell stock in AA. The knew that Thermite and explosive charges had been strategically placed in the structural steel beams inside the WTC 1,2, &7 -They knew that these crazy Saudi's had been training and would be flying commercial airliners into the WTC on 9/11/01! There's no way in hell that a bunch of Saudi Towel Heads could pull off 911 without the governemnt knowing about it! It wasn't just the hijackers -there were hundreds of people on the ground that helped prepare for the attack.
The sanctions against Iraq were soon to expire and were not going to be extended by the UN, we had a pipeline to lay across Afghanistan and the Taliban wasn't playing nice, Iraq was planning to trade their oil in Euros, the US population was beginning to believe that military spending should be decreased, orders for arms from Lockheed Martin & military aircraft were very low -In the words contained in the doccument from The Project for the New American Century, a republican, war monger think tank, The US needed a wakeup call -it went on something to the effect of "Short of some catastrophy on the scale of Pearl Harbor, the American Public will insist that Military and Arms Spending be decreased" -We needed a new Boogie-Man now that the Commies were all but washed up! The War Machine of the Neo-Con establishment was at risk of collapse -and their profits with it. Their War-Chest was in jeopardy of going bankrupt & they weren't going to stand by & let that happen. The conservatives were losing ground and their leader, the half-wit GW Bush was off on vacation somewhere, almost guaranteeing a Democratic victory in the next presidential election(s). Something HAD to change. And it did -in a big way. The world changed when we allowed 19 Saudi terrorists to carry out an attack of such magnatude on American soil -That awoke a "Sleeping Giant" who was determined to "Smoke Out the Terrorists" worldwide (and make a few dollars doing it)!
The fact is that we HAD to have the Iraqi oil to sustain our way of life for the next 30 years. We couldn't let the Chinese get it. Not after our "investment" in Iraq. We needed to control the Middle East & 911 gave us the perfect opportunity. So, if it wasn't carried out, at least in part by our own hand, it was the most convenient stroke of luck in history!
The devistation of 911 could have been stopped at any time in the months proceding the attacks -But there were other forces at work...
 
Vento

Vento

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fdd2blk said:
ok, i believe EVERYTHING you say. can you maybe make an "educated guess" as to what went down? you have a shit on of evidence. piece some of it together and "make something up". use your imagination. i'm just seeking peoples thoughts. :)
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To add my imagination into this would be crazy ... We don't even need any ...The fact's alone make this story seem unreal :)

But if you asked my opinion ...

Neo-Cons and Shadow governments ( Not just US ) drew up a plan for a middle east take over that involved tricking the world into thinking we have a common threat ( This we already know to be fact ) The threat also opens doors to removing rights and gaining more control over whole populations under " Homeland Security "

The terrorists are recruited by CIA handlers ... Trained and funded ( we know this to be true also ) and they in turn recruit others to do the dirty work thinking they are fighting Jihad , ( Evidence shows us that not all the men that are claimed to be attackers are dead ) The FBI warn of the pending attacks and are silenced with threats ( Also fact )

On the day a mock attack is being simulated to keep air defence busy and confused , Hijacker's take over the planes as planned but are aided by remote access flight .... It's not possible for even a skilled vet pilot to fly a plane that low and that fast .

The whole thing is documented on live TV that has a delay and is routed from one central location , Edits are made from the original footage and are replaced with footage that shows what they want us to see rather than what happened , Footage is manipulated for public consumption .

ALL video and photographic evidence is somehow shot by people who work in the film industry that are experts in CGI and other forms of editing backgrounds .

The buildings Fall ...and within 15 minz of this happening it was announced that this must be some kind of terrorist attack By Osama Bin Laden aka ..Tim Osman ( Google it )

Within days of getting over the shock and awe ... the world joins together in common hate for a common enemy .


That's the simple version ...and again ... A VERY tiny part of the real bigger picture .

I wish i had all the answers ...I don't ....But what i do have is years of trawling thru all the shit out there and looking at the facts ...They tell the story and sow a very diffrent story to the one we was all fed .
 
Vento

Vento

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dxco said:
If it was an inside job I believe that -as much as an asshole Bush II is, he wasn't involved in the planning. Chaney, on the other hand, was surely involved or, at very least, knew it was going down. I believe the core of the Bush II administration knew it was going down and on what day and the exact time. They allowed 911 to happen when they could have stopped it with a few phone calls to the TSA or whoever was heading airport security back then. Inside job? They're too stupid -I think they just provided assistance that the terrorists themselves weren't even aware of!
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I fully agree .... he knew something was happening that day ( remember he was surrounded by children at the time of the attack ...A tactic use by others in the past ) He looked afraid in the days prior to 9/11 and on the day .

A well thought out sum up dxco ...Thank you
 
doc111

doc111

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NoDrama said:
So it has to do with their religion eh? So you kinda bought into that whole Muslims are terrorists thing that Bush asked you to believe didn't you? Oh and you know Im sure we went and attacked all those terrorists home country right? Oh wait a second,15 of the "hijackers" were from Saudi Arabia, 1 from Lebanon and 2 from United Aran Emirates. Amazing how we didn't attack any of the countries who supposedly housed the terrorists all their lives. Nope instead we made up a lie that all those terrorists were all In Iraq and Afghanistan and that they had Weapons of Mass Destruction and that they called themselves Al Qaeda and they were 25,000 strong. Yet here we are 10 years later and Al Qaeda still has 25,000 members if not many more and we have killed MILLIONS people so far over there. Doesn't sound like an anti terrorist game plan to me, sounds more like Genocide.

Total US deaths in Iraq and Afghan are 7,200. 7,200 people that won't ever be coming home to their families except in a box. 7,200 American people that died over a huge LIE!

What single event spawned a generation of Muslim haters? What event was the Key to allowing the US war machine to kill millions of innocents? What single event brought the Country together against what we were told was a "Threat" to the American way of life?

You bet there is something rotten in Denmark and it isn't the Cheese.

If the Chinese dropped onto the Ground here in the USA and went Door to Door killing people would you pick up a gun and fight back? What if the reason for doing it was to look for terrorists? Would you still pick up a gun and fight? We aren't in Iraq/Afghanistan looking for terrorists, we are there to kill anyone who stands in our way of resource development.
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There you go putting words in my mouth again.:cuss: Remind me again, where were the terrorists from? Were they young Christian men from Scandinavian countries? You act like I am sanctioning these wars. I am not. I've been in combat a few times. I don't recommend it. Not for people who want to go on living anyways. What do you think I would do if the Chinese invaded? I surely wouldn't bend over and invite them to come on in. :dunce: I'm not mad at anybody who defends their home. :leaf:
 
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NoDrama

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doc111 said:
There you go putting words in my mouth again.:cuss: Remind me again, where were the terrorists from? Were they young Christian men from Scandinavian countries? You act like I am sanctioning these wars. I am not. I've been in combat a few times. I don't recommend it. Not for people who want to go on living anyways. What do you think I would do if the Chinese invaded? I surely wouldn't bend over and invite them to come on in. :dunce: I'm not mad at anybody who defends their home. :leaf:
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Well you didn't really need to articulate that you would defend your home bro, I knew you would cuz you are a stand up kind of guy, it was a rhetorical question. As far as putting words in your mouth, well possibly I did, but you did make sure to note the religion of the terrorists both times you mentioned them. I mean if I prefaced Obama by first calling him a Christian, and then also calling Hillary Clinton a Jesus Loving Methodist, well people might get the idea that you don't really like Christians, Know what I mean?
 
doc111

doc111

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NoDrama said:
Well you didn't really need to articulate that you would defend your home bro, I knew you would cuz you are a stand up kind of guy, it was a rhetorical question. As far as putting words in your mouth, well possibly I did, but you did make sure to note the religion of the terrorists both times you mentioned them. I mean if I prefaced Obama by first calling him a Christian, and then also calling Hillary Clinton a Jesus Loving Methodist, well people might get the idea that you don't really like Christians, Know what I mean?
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Fair enough, but it seems religion is at the core of this ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM I keep hearing about. I bear no ill will towards Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. I'm not a religious guy myself but I have no problem with religion in any of its forms, per se. I do have a problem with the perversion of a religion for the purpose of killing innocents.:fire:


BTW, I thought Obama was a Muslim.:-P
 
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fdd2blk

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dxco said:
If it was an inside job I believe that -as much as an asshole Bush II is, he wasn't involved in the planning. Chaney, on the other hand, was surely involved or, at very least, knew it was going down. I believe the core of the Bush II administration knew it was going down and on what day and the exact time. They allowed 911 to happen when they could have stopped it with a few phone calls to the TSA or whoever was heading airport security back then. Inside job? They're too stupid -I think they just provided assistance that the terrorists themselves weren't even aware of!
It was a plan carried out by some Saudi Jihadi's who thought they were striking out against the oppressive US governments support of Israel and general mistreatment of mussie's in several third-world countries. Anybody who believes that we (the US) hasn't mistreated muslims in some of the poorest african countries is just stupid -We have -And we continue to do so! We have also mistreated latino people in South America for decades -We massacred people in the Phillipines -Cambotia, Laos... The list goes on. The mussie's are the only ones who have the crazy religious fanitics willing to go out and blow themselves up to take out a few westerners. If we had such supporters of the US cause our governemnt would be sending them out to commit these otricities too (Oh... Wait, we do -They're called GI's & Marines recruited from the poorest communities in the US-The "expendable" pawns of our "war on terrorism")
What's the differrence between flying a plane full of innocent people into a building and firing an unmanned cruise missle into a neighborhood in Bagdad? What about the US "accidentally" firing a 2000Kg Bunker-Busting bomb into a community bomb shelter filled with hundreds of civilians just because they think there is ONE "High-Value" target hiding in it? We (the west) have killed more muslim civilians in Iraq over the past 20 years than muslim terrorists have killed in the history of muslim terrorists! Before we started our war in Iraq, there was NO Al qaeda presence -Now they are flocking in from all over the mideast for a chance to fight the American Oppressors. We have reduced their country to a pile of rubble! Completely destroyed their infrasructure. We have squandered billions of dollars in "recontruction" money with no reconstruction -Instead that money has gone into the pockets of companies with names like Halliburton, the Carlisle Group, etc. -AND GUESS WHO OWNES THOSE COMPANIES: Chaney, Bush, Saudi Prince Bandar (Bandar Bush), even the Bin Laden Family ownes stock in the ever-secretive Carlisle Group!
Who had the most to gain by the attacks of 911? (see above)
Osama bin Laden was on the CIA payroll when the 911 attacks were carried out!
The US government surely didn't carry out the attacks BUT, you can be sure that there were people within the core of the Bush administration that knew exactly what was going on and what day to short sell stock in AA. The knew that Thermite and explosive charges had been strategically placed in the structural steel beams inside the WTC 1,2, &7 -They knew that these crazy Saudi's had been training and would be flying commercial airliners into the WTC on 9/11/01! There's no way in hell that a bunch of Saudi Towel Heads could pull off 911 without the governemnt knowing about it! It wasn't just the hijackers -there were hundreds of people on the ground that helped prepare for the attack.
The sanctions against Iraq were soon to expire and were not going to be extended by the UN, we had a pipeline to lay across Afghanistan and the Taliban wasn't playing nice, Iraq was planning to trade their oil in Euros, the US population was beginning to believe that military spending should be decreased, orders for arms from Lockheed Martin & military aircraft were very low -In the words contained in the doccument from The Project for the New American Century, a republican, war monger think tank, The US needed a wakeup call -it went on something to the effect of "Short of some catastrophy on the scale of Pearl Harbor, the American Public will insist that Military and Arms Spending be decreased" -We needed a new Boogie-Man now that the Commies were all but washed up! The War Machine of the Neo-Con establishment was at risk of collapse -and their profits with it. Their War-Chest was in jeopardy of going bankrupt & they weren't going to stand by & let that happen. The conservatives were losing ground and their leader, the half-wit GW Bush was off on vacation somewhere, almost guaranteeing a Democratic victory in the next presidential election(s). Something HAD to change. And it did -in a big way. The world changed when we allowed 19 Saudi terrorists to carry out an attack of such magnatude on American soil -That awoke a "Sleeping Giant" who was determined to "Smoke Out the Terrorists" worldwide (and make a few dollars doing it)!
The fact is that we HAD to have the Iraqi oil to sustain our way of life for the next 30 years. We couldn't let the Chinese get it. Not after our "investment" in Iraq. We needed to control the Middle East & 911 gave us the perfect opportunity. So, if it wasn't carried out, at least in part by our own hand, it was the most convenient stroke of luck in history!
The devistation of 911 could have been stopped at any time in the months proceding the attacks -But there were other forces at work...
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Vento said:
To add my imagination into this would be crazy ... We don't even need any ...The fact's alone make this story seem unreal :)

But if you asked my opinion ...

Neo-Cons and Shadow governments ( Not just US ) drew up a plan for a middle east take over that involved tricking the world into thinking we have a common threat ( This we already know to be fact ) The threat also opens doors to removing rights and gaining more control over whole populations under " Homeland Security "

The terrorists are recruited by CIA handlers ... Trained and funded ( we know this to be true also ) and they in turn recruit others to do the dirty work thinking they are fighting Jihad , ( Evidence shows us that not all the men that are claimed to be attackers are dead ) The FBI warn of the pending attacks and are silenced with threats ( Also fact )

On the day a mock attack is being simulated to keep air defence busy and confused , Hijacker's take over the planes as planned but are aided by remote access flight .... It's not possible for even a skilled vet pilot to fly a plane that low and that fast .

The whole thing is documented on live TV that has a delay and is routed from one central location , Edits are made from the original footage and are replaced with footage that shows what they want us to see rather than what happened , Footage is manipulated for public consumption .

ALL video and photographic evidence is somehow shot by people who work in the film industry that are experts in CGI and other forms of editing backgrounds .

The buildings Fall ...and within 15 minz of this happening it was announced that this must be some kind of terrorist attack By Osama Bin Laden aka ..Tim Osman ( Google it )

Within days of getting over the shock and awe ... the world joins together in common hate for a common enemy .


That's the simple version ...and again ... A VERY tiny part of the real bigger picture .

I wish i had all the answers ...I don't ....But what i do have is years of trawling thru all the shit out there and looking at the facts ...They tell the story and sow a very diffrent story to the one we was all fed .
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some very well thought out answers. i appreciate the time you took to help me. thank you. :)
 
canuckgrow

canuckgrow

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Well after reading every post it occurs to me that we all should be able to agree on a few points.
Most believe that the official story is somewhat flawed.
An astronomical amount of money has changed hands.
The world is perceived as being more dangerous now despite the massive effort to the contrary.
We now live in the world after 9/11.
 
zazahzle

zazahzle

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well i'll tell you this much.!!! The government spent more money investigating Bill Clinton getting some head than they spent investigating 911. Hmmmmmm.. Honestly, the whole Bush regime should be tried in a court of law for MANY things involving the well being of the American people including 911.. The facts are all there, you just have to find them and read them. Most of the shit people see is all filtered media hype which is controlled by the "elite" of the country (Big banking cartels, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, wells fargo, citi bank) they own all that shit.. they don't tell you half the shit they should. As a country and as the people of this country we have to stop big government structures, stop taking money from the government, stop depending on government for shit like student loans, Well fare and shit. America is broke, and we can't raise the debt ceiling. thats like giving someone in 15 trillion dollar debt another 5 trillion dollar credit card??? No one would give you or i 1000 dollars if we owed 8000.. think about it, We dont need change, we need a revolution.. Ron Paul 2012!!!!!!
 
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