Do you believe in God?

Do you believe there is a God?

  • YES, I believe there is a God/creator

    Votes: 92 46.2%

  • NO, I do not believe there is a God/creator

    Votes: 107 53.8%
  • Total voters
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Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Uh, I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness.And before you start with the"oh, they're nuts" crap that most Christians immediately jump to, let me tell you,I've been to a Baptist church.I've been to an Evangelical church where the idiots started dropping and rolling like they were on fire.None of that shit happens at the Jehovah's Witness church at least, so when compared to some of "those" denominations, they're QUITE SANE.Praying to god did nothing for me when I was poor.It was when I decided to take matters into my own hands that things got done.
So, since the bible is an example to all of us, according to you, let's talk about the things it condones. Slavery.Rape.Murder(in the name of god or Jesus, of course)Genocide(remember Sodom and Gomorrah?)
If I have faith in MYSELF,being able to do "something positive",then that has nothing to do with a god and everything to do with me.Don't tell me I don't do good things.If I see someone in need, I will give them what I can, and preferably in such a way as they don't know it's me so they can't thank me and embarrass me.
I understand what the bible is about.It is a moral code, used by religion to enforce guilt for a sin that NO ONE really committed,to control the masses and keep them down. Betcha didn't even know your precious Bible was hoarded by the priesthood,who did not want copies of it in the hands of the common man, translated from Latin,so they could not interpret its passages for themselves.Go ahead, look it up.
As for the "you use logic"argument, Logic has brought us Astronomy, Medicine,Surgery,Technology...really, the list goes on. If we did it your way, and Religion still had control, the earth would still be "flat" and you'd be whipped for dancing on a Sunday.
And you have never read this Bible.So where did you learn from? Your parents? Do you just make stuff up? It's obvious to most people that killing and hurting others is wrong.But they will make up reasons to justify it, if they can.Like god.
Yes, your religion is 2000 years old. There are many older religions.Many of them, your religion stole from. Just because YOU have a hive mind,doesn't mean WE ALL have one, or need one. Your bible states it clearly.Jesus is the shepherd, and YOU are the sheep.[
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Stoney, i understand your an athiest, but NON of you athiests will look at things from my level. You blind yourself with this premonition that god is being forced into the heads of millions for THOUSANDS of years against their own will. When in fact people for thousands of years have worshiped the bible becuase it brings hope to those that have no hope, ESPECIALLY people in poverse living conditions.

To be honest you athiest "believers" have it all ass backwards. Again I can not stress enough that Religion is not about worshiping some superficial being in the sky. its about having faith that you can make something positive of your time here on earth. Obviously athiests arent freindly people and have no concern for society, so why should anyone listen to you? Of what good do you bring society? ... Oh wait you use logic... hmm ok. You use so much logic yet you can not understand that the bible isnt about one person/god, ITS ABOUT ALLLLLLLL OF US.

Without something like religion that teachs us how to behave in this fucked up journey we call life, we are on the path for our demise. Do you not understand? We need something to teach the ignorant... We need something to give those of us who have nothing to live for hope. Why start over? Do you really think starting over will solve anything? NOPE. We need to revise the religion into something that everyone understands, but at the same time respects. IMO the bible is perfect the way it is, But apparently its all fabricated, and its about some magic being who watchs over us.


Honestly the bible and religion is alot simplier than you all make it, and without something to guide us, we have nothing but the past regrets we made because we didnt know any better. Do you really want your children to learn from their own mistakes? Are you going to teach them about ever moral thing in society and life? ITS IMPOSSIBLE. Hence the guide. The book of life. The Bible. (which ive never read, go figure.)


Do i really need to give everyone a history lesson about the seperation of church and state and the importance of the church to civilization?


...but once again i know my words fall upon deaf ears because its all to obvious this site is FULL of athiests who believe in no common good for society, People who honestly care nothing of their neighbors, but only care of themselves.


Oh and sorry Tryingtomasterkush, sorry for wasting your oxygen while you read my "cult like" statements. ...Too bad people have been thinking like me for over 2000 years. :joint:
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Archeology has never proved any of the miracles in the Bible true. Just because the Bible wrote about certain cities as reference points means nothing.Many fictional books are set in actual cities.Youtube is not a source for scientific research.The only time it is cited is if the facts are KNOWN to be true.I've seen more references to actual articles.
The simple fact is,THERE IS NO GOD AS YOU DEFINE HIM. THERE WAS NO JESUS. If you wish to believe, despite all of the evidence, that the transformers are real, go for it.But just don't expect everyone else to do the same.
suedonimn said:
"Only the IDIOT, says in his heart, there is no God." - God

It is funny how the last 300 years, archeology has PROVED much of the bible to be true. No, I will not sight any references, they are out there if you really want the truth. You might even find something on youtube, which seems to be where most atheist information comes from. Don't try to get me caught up in religious shit either, I wasn't there, you figure out why people kill themselves for stupid reasons. The only thing you have to cling to is your belief in denial.
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icurbyou said:
"Christ once revealed himself to me... I brought him up on indecent exposure charges" - Loch Ness Monster

Don't worry suedonimn. I don't limit my quoting to mere people.
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GregD88

GregD88

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Roseman said:
I believe in God, He is REAL to me!
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I accept and profess that the Universe and all of creation that we know of, operates on tens of thousands of PRINCIPLES and LAWS that most of the educated are aware of and we easily accept as facts.

Some examples of these Laws and Principles are the Law of Gravity, for instance. Our planets revolve around the sun, and are held in absolute perfect positions, or they would just fly off into outer space or collide into each other. If we throw a baseball upward into the air, it will return on a downward path that is perfect in relationship to the path it traveled upward. That ball will obey that law.

 There is the Law of Procreation. A sperm has to be delivered to and enter the egg at a perfect precise time, to make a new born. Us pot growers know Male Pollen has to enter the female flower at a perfect time to make a new flower.

 The Law of CAUSE AND AFFECT, or the Law of CAUSE and EFFECT. We all accept that when we throw a rubber ball on the concrete walkway, that it will bounce back up in a pre-determined direction.. We know the law of Physics if we shoot pool. AND If we line up a standing stack of Dominoes, and push the first one over, the remaining Dominoes will also tumble over. Most of us accept as fact, what goes around, comes around, OR What comes around, goes around, be it a bad cold, or gossip or whatever. IF we strike a person with a harmful blow, the most normal and natural reaction is for that person to strike us back. It's a natural Law. Many of us that are older and wiser also have learned that if we throw a piece of chewing gum on the concrete walkway, we will eventually live to step on a piece of chewing gum thrown on the sidewalk. If we cheat on our spouse, well, we all know what happens. We call it KARMA, or REAP WHAT WE SEW, or the Law of Cause and Effect, or WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND. We have all experienced that law or principle in action.

 There is the Law or Principle of Duality. There is LIGHT and Darkness, Male and Female, Good and Bad, UP and Down, Left and Right, Two eyes, two ears, two lungs, two nostrils, two arms, two hands, two genders, two equal and opposite parts, two equal and exactly the same parts, etc. It is still Duality. Who could argue with this?

 The Law of Rythm. The "pendulum swings" manifests in everything. The measure of the swing to the left is the same perfect measure of the swing to the right. This law operates in life quite visibly with people who are bipolar. One day they're up, the next they're down. For most people, the law is realized when they become very, very happy. The law dictates that someday they will be very, very sad. When pain stops, it feel good.

 The Law of Cycles. We obseve the perfect cycles of the seasons, the tides and ocean waves, the menstrul cycles of women, the revolving of the plants, Good Times, Bad Times, Good Luck, Bad Luck, The fish are biting, the fish are not biting, Floods and Droughts, the cycle of the Oak tree with it's leaves dying and being born again, the sap rising and lowering in the trees, etc We all accept that life occurs in cycles.

 The Laws of Polarity. Everything has its opposite. Again, DARK-LIGHT, MALE-FEMALE. This law helps us to understand the perfect principles of the flow of Electricity, the principles of yin and yang. Some energy attracts and some energy repels. One is not better than the other but both exist equally. I like to think of the astronomical world where one body can capture another by pulling it into its sphere of influence. This principle can be understood in life when we recognize the truth in this saying: If you want him to be more of a man, be more of a woman. If you want to get more, give more.

 The Laws of Love. The love you take, is equal to the love you make, or give. (Paul McCartney said it)

The Laws of Vibrations. Atoms, Neutrons, etc Everything vibrates. we ARE ALL connected. Nothing is still. Nothing is NEW. This Law helps us to understand the essence of things. It is this fine network of vibrations that connects us with every other living thing. You might picture it as an invisible world wide web. It is in tune with the vibrations of the universe that we attract and are attracted to every experience in our life. To use a metaphor, suppose you like country and western music. If you set your radio dial to country and western you will not hear classical or jazz music. If you vibrate at a peaceful level, you will not meet people who are violent. Sleep with dogs, get fleas. Hang with gentle people, avoid violence.


 The Laws of Mentalism. What we see in this physical world, EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS IN THIS PHYSICAL WORLD, that man made, first existed as a thought. (GETTING DEEP)

The Laws of Attraction, and Repelling.

AND I COULD GO ON AND ON. Like I said there are thousands and thousands of these Laws and Principles that we all accept and beleive.

IF no one ever read a book, and was of average intelligence, he would observe these Laws and Principles in life, in the world that surrounds us and accept them.

These LAWS create, they nurture, they protect, they "cause" , and these LAWS for the most part, operate for the betterment of us all. They seem to operate on LOVE and GIVING, instead of HATE and TAKING. They encourage, and do not discourage. Yea, if we stick our hand in the fire, it burns our hand and hurts, that's a LAW, but it is to protect us from jumping our entire bodies into the fire. These LAWS are operated and caused by FORCES that I think none of us understand. I don't understand my microwave or TV remote, but I still use it.

 Regardless of our understanding, these FORCES and LAWS do exist, and people, seekers and philosophers and prophets like Abraham, Moses, Socretes, Pythagoras, Jesus, Mohammed, Budha, Ghandi, etc, studied these LAWS, and gave them a personality, or Idenity, and they shared their meditations and conclusions with us all. A majority of people accept these conclusions, although we do not all accept the same conclusions. These seekers and philosophers and prophets called it THE FORCE, ALMIGHTY POWER, A CREATOR, that they called GOD . They also gave this GOD a personality, a gender, like an enity, called him KING, and other high titles, and they gave it a name; Jehovah, Allah, Zeus, Apollo, etc.

 I have come to believe in and accept this Power and Force, and these LAWS and Principles, what I call and we call GOD. They work for me, they serve me well, they give me peace and underestanding. HE works for me, HE serves me well, HE gives me peace and underestanding. I don't have or use any of the suggested names, and I certainly do not accept any particular or specific denomination or religion given by man. But this GOD and the Laws and Principles are worthy of my time and research, my respect and study and meditations. Because of these LAWS and Principles I know what to expect more times than I do not, I have a Power or FORCE to beleive in and LAWS and Principles to count on and rely on and trust in. Just like I know if I throw a ball up into the air, it will return down, I know IF I do good deeds, my life will be better and IF I do mean things, my life will not be better and will be not as good. (CAUSE AND AFFECT) I have learned to chose good over evil, good over bad, light over darkness.

 I have sought and searched and researched this subject to the point it almost over took me, more so back in the 70s and 80s. I still do today. I am a very avid reader of Non-fiction, about "where did I come from, why am I here, who made me, created or started me, who is GOD, what is God, and I read at least one to two books a week now about this.
My favorites are THE HISTORY OF GOD, and THE HISTORY OF RELIGION.

I have to ask myself are one half billion Jews wrong, one billion Muslims wrong and one billion Christians wrong, and nearly one quarter billion Hindu and Budhist wrong, for accepting the existance of GOD?
JESUS ?
 I easily understand the difficulty with JESUS. we are told in "the Bible" that he was born of a virgin, walked on water, died and came back to life, and was the only man in History to do that. That is hard to beleive. (Yes I know of MIRTHA and pagan's Mithraism and the others who claimed ressurection in mythology)

So was Jesus' life a myth? When I read Josephus, the Roman Historian, all educated people accept and believe his account of Roman History. Historians accept and believe every word he wrote about Roman History, EXCEPT his account of Jesus, his teachings and his death. Josephus wrote that Jesus was a well known, well traveled preacher and teacher that was crucifed by Rome, at eh demand of the Jewish Priests, and that many, "hundreds of his followers" claimed to have seen Jesus after his death.

I have to ask myself how did Jesus and a dozen followers, along with a book composed of many shorter books and stories, convince over a billion people to follow his teachings and beliefs today?

I am amazed to read and study the cause of death of the twelve apostles. Peter AND his wife were brought to Rome, and told "Deny HIM and live, Claim HIM, and be crucified AND WATCH YOUR WIFE BE CRUCIFIED FIRST RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!" Peter responded, according to Josephus, tht he did not deserve to die like Jesus died, so they crucified him UPSIDE DOWN. PETER DIED ON THE CROSS, AND HIS WIFE TOO, as Peter watched.. WHY didn't Peter and the other apostles just take the easy way out?
(google death of the apostles)

And of the other eleven apostles, ten were given the opportunity to live, or be tortured, burnt at the stake, drawn and quartered, cut in half, stabbed, and they chose DEATH and TORTURE over living. WHY?

FAITH is defined as beleviing in the unseen.
 Like I never saw the planet Pluto, or any neutrons, or atoms, or Abraham Lincoln or George Washington. Do you beleive in them? Because they have been revealed to me by others, and proven to me to be real by wiser and more educated and knowledgable people who did the research and study, in books, and stories, I accept them and believe in them. FAITH is just that, FAITH. You accept or you do not.

 I have an apple sitting right here on my desk. Do you know whether if it is sweet or sour? Of course not. Why not? Because you have not tasted my apple, no matter what anyone tells you, you do not really, really know how it tastes. But what if a billon others tasted it first, right before your eyes, and told you, it tasted sweet. Wouldn't you lean toward being convinced that it is probably a sweet apple?

 Well, I have tasted GOD, as many others have. And I have tasted Jesus. And OHHHH , how sweet He is.

I took an hour and half to write this, so I'm going to post it as a new thread. Maybe someone will get it.
Now nail me to a tree. I do expect the doubters, and non-believers to argue and attack. The heathens do that.
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GlassFreak

GlassFreak

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NewGrowth said:
Well said. I would not agree with having faith in yourself however. Have faith in Nothing and anything is possible.

If I had a church it would just be a bunch of monks who meditated and when people came to visit they would give them magic mushrooms.:-P

The funny thing about "reality" is it is only your mind. Simply said by Bill Hicks "It's just a ride" :wink:
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no i have faith in myself because i know that i will govern my own life, i make my desitions, i have faith that the desitions i make will be the right ones. the only thing you can truely have faith in is yourself.

i like sadhu holy men, theyre more of an ideology, the way buddhism is. they own nothing, they are meant to cause good Karma and happiness throughout communities.

i like ideological religions, just the fact that they are ideologys and not religious fact makes them much more humane. the same ideologies that the bible is trying to get across, just in a more peacful, loving way. not like, believe what i say or ill hit you!
 
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Tryingtomastrkush

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That is a wonderful post roseman.

But my questions still stand.....

How have you "tasted god" and "tasted jesus" what did you experience that gave you the sense that these things were real.

I completely understand all that about the natural laws and we accept them and they were named god but why does it have to have to be something?
Just because the laws are there and govern our lives doesn't mean it is a higher power. Its just natural law.

What about the afterlife?
You said nothing about that.
and that is my biggest problem with religion is they claim to know what goes on in the afterlife and give people a possibly false sense of hope.
I cannot fathom why it is more important to live your life being "good" so your after life that may or may not exist will be everything you want it to be.

My point is people should be good for the life they have and the only life they are truly guaranteed
 
GlassFreak

GlassFreak

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my uncle died when he was younger, for minutes, they brought him back, he has been athiest ever since. he didnt see shit, nothing happened, just black. i know that if i died and i had been told that when you die you go to heaven, and all that heppened was, nothing, i wouldnt believe any more iether.

the fact is, when people die, and are brought back, some of them have dreams when out. what kind of dream would a hardcore believer basicly fource themself to dream? heaven... god... afterlife.

even if your "spirit" did go on to a heaven, you wouldnt know, because the only thing that makes you know anything is your brain, and thats still in your body...

the only thing that makes anything anything is because man says it is, the only reason a jesus or god is thought to exist is because people say it does.

do you know where all the other languages came from in the bible, and oh yea, once everyone talked the same... then people started to try to build a ladder to heaven, about half way there.... yea half way to heaven... god decided to change everyones voices, so nobody could understand anyone else, so they wont be able to build any more... thats where all the other languages came from... not living in different areas, not different people, just god...
 
suedonimn

suedonimn

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icurbyou said:
"Christ once revealed himself to me... I brought him up on indecent exposure charges" - Loch Ness Monster

Don't worry suedonimn. I don't limit my quoting to mere people.
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See if you would have been paying attention... you would have known He was showing you what a dick you are Nessy. I am not worried one bit.
 
icurbyou

icurbyou

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Roseman,

See, the whole "problem" with your post is that you are calling laws of nature "GOD". If you want to say "televisions = unicorns" then I guess as long as we use your translation book that would be true. Unicorns are real..... if unicorns are televisions.

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Also, I am curious to hear your opinion on this next question:

You bring up the fact that "we" (likely) believe in "the planet Pluto, or any neutrons, or atoms, or Abraham Lincoln or George Washington" even though we have not personally seen/whatevered them.

But yet we dispute the possibility of Jesus/God.

So, let me ask you.. Why do you think we do this? Why would we accept Pluto (planet), neutrons, atoms, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington... But not Jesus, God, Adam/Eve, etc?
Why do you think that is?
 
GlassFreak

GlassFreak

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because the others have been proven to exist, while god aperently sits on his thrown, stingy to the fact that all he would have to do is one fucking thing to let us know he really exists. if god does exist, he is a mean kid with a magnifying glass, and we are the ants.

if you think someone proclaimed as the son of god, to the piont where he could do miracles in public, wouldnt it be writen down in some sort of records, shit, they had to go to the city of therye fathers for the cencus, thats telling them how many people you have in your home, wouldnt there be some record of a guy named joseph and a chick named mary giving birth durring the roman cencus? to think that the baby wouldnt be counted as a person, not recorded as a birth at cencus time is just stupid, but i dare you to find one bit of evidence saying that a child named jesus of nazarith was born at that time, in that city. you cant, because it doesnt exist, he was never born, its a fucking story!


the first part of ZIETGEIST explains how the story was thought up in the first place.
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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What an awesome post.That's what I've been saying.Even if god was proven to exist, I'm still not worshipping him.
GlassFreak said:
because the others have been proven to exist, while god aperently sits on his thrown, stingy to the fact that all he would have to do is one fucking thing to let us know he really exists. if god does exist, he is a mean kid with a magnifying glass, and we are the ants.
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Tryingtomastrkush

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GlassFreak said:
because the others have been proven to exist, while god aperently sits on his thrown, stingy to the fact that all he would have to do is one fucking thing to let us know he really exists. if god does exist, he is a mean kid with a magnifying glass, and we are the ants.

if you think someone proclaimed as the son of god, to the piont where he could do miracles in public, wouldnt it be writen down in some sort of records, shit, they had to go to the city of therye fathers for the cencus, thats telling them how many people you have in your home, wouldnt there be some record of a guy named joseph and a chick named mary giving birth durring the roman cencus? to think that the baby wouldnt be counted as a person, not recorded as a birth at cencus time is just stupid, but i dare you to find one bit of evidence saying that a child named jesus of nazarith was born at that time, in that city. you cant, because it doesnt exist, he was never born, its a fucking story!


the first part of ZIETGEIST explains how the story was thought up in the first place.
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Lol theres a whole mess of people who believe there is a prophet on the planet AT ALL TIMES talking to god.....

They're called mormons.
 
Roseman

Roseman

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Again, a respectful post, Tryingtomastrkush,
Respectfully, let me try to answer your questions.
Let me say that I am not a philosopher, I'm not a part of any organized religion or denomination. I'm a SEEKER. As a Buddhist, I accept CAUSES AND CONDITIONS, and as a wild card sort of christian, I accept the teachings of Jesus in regards to what brings me peace and happiness and makes me content. I detest the churches and denominations for making it so difficult to have a relationship with a Higher Power.

I was always spellbound by a quote from Jesus, when he was asked "who is your Father" and He answered "My Father is THE LAW tahat made you".
I simply believe in THE LAW.

Tryingtomastrkush said:
That is a wonderful post roseman.

But my questions still stand.....

How have you "tasted god" and "tasted jesus" what did you experience that gave you the sense that these things were real.

I was raised a Catholic and went to mass every sunday uuntil I was 19 years old. Then as a hippy, I was just a Jesus freak, until I started college, majoring in psycology. Then I started my seeking. As I read more and more about Christianity, I realized, this is bullcrap! As I studied early Christianity, the Essences, the Gnostics, the Rosicrucians and early Masons, or Free Masons, and compared what I learned to the early so called founders of the church, I relalized even more that the early founders (Catholics) were all wrong, and were slanting things for their betterment and basing it all on FEAR. (I did like what the Gnostics and Rosicrucians taught. )

During alot of my mid life, (I just turned 60 years old) I grew away from any relationship with God, and blamed God for my unhappines and divorce. Then, I got into DEPRESSION. MISERBLE DEPRESSION that no amount of prozac or pot would help, until I was passing out asleep. I started back my research, my SEEKING. Instead of reading up on Religion, I studied REALITY. WHAT IS REAL? What is reality?
Then I saw a sign, that said "Have you tried Jesus?" and I gave it some thought. I accepted Jesus as a holy man, that really lived, that somehow cared for me, and wanted me to be happy, so I started talking to the Higher Power within me, in my mind. (I don't care what or who you or anyone calls it, I called it God) I slowly realized that I was a good person, I did very little wrong or harmful to anyone. I came to beleive REALITY is waht we accept as REAL. I knew some really decent, educated, intelligent wise people, who seemed to be very happy, by accepting GOD as a Higher Power, as an Intervention, and as a GREAT Source of Love. To them, it was very real. They wre not ignorant, they wre not bad, they were not stupid, and they were happy, and believed. I wanted to be happy, so said "I'll try it". I do not have to beleive the entire Bible, or even 10% of it, to find a lot of wisdom on living, in the New Testament, the Gospels and words of Jesus.
So I made a decision. A simple decision, I will try God. i'll try Jesus, and see what happens. You do not know how a new pair of shoes will fell, until you try them on. And, you don't know how an apple tastes, until you taste it. So I tasted adn ti was good to me.
I started being happy, (by decision) I started caring, and more, I started LOVING. I STARTED GIVING, INSTEAD OF TAKING, AND I FOUND LOVE, LOVE WITHIN ME FOR MYSELF, AND LOVE AROUND ME FROM OTHERS. And, it worked for me. 95% of what the churches teach, I don;t believe. I believe in reincarnation, and I beleive in Karma.

I completely understand all that about the natural laws and we accept them and they were named god but why does it have to have to be something?
Just because the laws are there and govern our lives doesn't mean it is a higher power. Its just natural law.

Those laws are GOD to me, they are magical, be it called Mother Nature, Physics, or what. They work for me, they make me happy, they give me peace. They are worthy of my praise.

What about the afterlife?
You said nothing about that.

REINCARNATION, LIKE THE TREES, THEY DIE AND COME BACK. I was hypnotised back in the early 80s, and trangresed backward, to the womb and before that, and I was able to remember a prior life time. Anyone will. Jesus said you must be born again, and I think He meant it.
and that is my biggest problem with religion is they claim to know what goes on in the afterlife and give people a possibly false sense of hope.
I cannot fathom why it is more important to live your life being "good" so your after life that may or may not exist will be everything you want it to be.

We reap what we sew, we plant Sativa, we harvest sativa.After we understand taht, we'll only plant what we wnat to harvest.
My point is people should be good for the life they have and the only life they are truly guaranteed
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Now ask yourself, why would an old hippy take time to care and answer this? And post that post.
Why do I spend hours a day, helping newbies GROW, when there is no reward except those worthless REPs?
I am "paying it forward" is the answer. I am planting good seeds, to harvest good crops.

Peace, bro.
 
puffpuffPASSEDOUT

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suedonimn said:
To know Christ is to have Christ revealed to you personally. I know God exists, because I believe Christ who is Jesus. I did not grow up with any church doctrine, I do not now go to a building for worship service. I became christian on an Astral walk in 1992, after Christ revealed Himself to me. You forget the simple thing about God... if you don't give Him at least the benefit of doubt, how can you be prepared to hear, see in order to believe? I am free, I can quote who ever I want in an argument, you limit yourself to mere people. The same argument you use to tell me everything I know is a sham, your the lame one.
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i think me and you are on the same page here.

God revealed himself to me in 2006 when my best freind was murdered by some punk city kid that was trying to steal his dirt bike. Even more so when i almost died on sept 11 2006 in my car accident.


suedonimn, we shouldnt even comment on this site anymore about god because the people here are so blind, so dumb founded by what "evidence" (or lack there of) religion offers, when in fact it offers you peace, but they chose to use hate and prejudice against those of us with a clue about what love is etc...

Im just glad someone with faith stepped up the the plate against these "people" and try'd as i did.

Kudos my friend :clap:
 
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