Do you support or oppose the Iran nuclear deal?

Do you support or oppose the Iran nuclear deal?

  • I support the deal

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • I oppose the deal

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • Total voters
    17

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Just curious


PREAMBLE AND GENERAL PROVISIONS

The Islamic Republic of Iran and the E3/EU+3 (China, France, Germany, the
Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States, with the High
Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy)
have decided upon this long-term Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action
(JCPOA). This JCPOA, reflecting a step-by-step approach, includes the reciprocal
commitments as laid down in this document and the annexes hereto and is to
be endorsed by the United Nations (UN) Security Council.

The full implementation of this JCPOA will ensure the exclusively peaceful
nature of Iran's nuclear programme.

3. Iran reaffirms that under no circumstances will Iran ever seek, develop or
acquire any nuclear weapons.

4. Successful implementation of this JCPOA will enable Iran to fully enjoy its right
to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes under the relevant articles of the
nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in line with its obligations therein, and
the Iranian nuclear programme will be treated in the same manner as that of
any other non-nuclear-weapon state party to the NPT.

5. This JCPOA will produce the comprehensive lifting of all UN Security Council
sanctions as well as multilateral and national sanctions related to Iran’s nuclear
programme, including steps on access in areas of trade, technology, finance and
energy.

6. The E3/EU+3 and Iran reaffirm their commitment to the purposes and principles The E3/EU+3 and Iran reaffirm their commitment to the purposes and principles
of the United Nations as set out in the UN Charter.

7. The E3/EU+3 and Iran acknowledge that the NPT remains the cornerstone of the The E3/EU+3 and Iran acknowledge that the NPT remains the cornerstone of the
nuclear non-proliferation regime and the essential foundation for the pursuit of
nuclear disarmament and for the peaceful uses of nuclear energy.

8. The E3/EU+3 and Iran commit to implement this JCPOA in good faith and in a
constructive atmosphere, based on mutual respect, and to refrain from any
action inconsistent with the letter, spirit and intent of this JCPOA that would
undermine its successful implementation. The E3/EU+3 will refrain from
imposing discriminatory regulatory and procedural requirements in lieu of the
sanctions and restrictive measures covered by this JCPOA. This JCPOA builds on
the implementation of the Joint Plan of Action (JPOA) agreed in Geneva on 24
November 2013.

9. A Joint Commission consisting of the E3/EU+3 and Iran will be established to
monitor the implementation of this JCPOA and will carry out the functions
provided for in this JCPOA. This Joint Commission will address issues arising
from the implementation of this JCPOA and will operate in accordance with the
provisions as detailed in the relevant annex.

10. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) will be requested to monitor and
verify the voluntary nuclear-related measures as detailed in this JCPOA. The
IAEA will be requested to provide regular updates to the Board of Governors,
and as provided for in this JCPOA, to the UN Security Council. All relevant rules
and regulations of the IAEA with regard to the protection of information will be
fully observed by all parties involved.

11. All provisions and measures contained in this JCPOA are only for the purpose of
its implementation between E3/EU+3 and Iran and should not be considered as
setting precedents for any other state or for fundamental principles of
international law and the rights and obligations under the NPT and other
relevant instruments, as well as for internationally recognised principles and
practices.

12. Technical details of the implementation of this JCPOA are dealt with in the
annexes to this document.

13. The EU and E3+3 countries and Iran, in the framework of the JCPOA, will
cooperate, as appropriate, in the field of peaceful uses of nuclear energy and
engage in mutually determined civil nuclear cooperation projects as detailed in
Annex III, including through IAEA involvement.

14. The E3+3 will submit a draft resolution to the UN Security Council endorsing
this JCPOA affirming that conclusion of this JCPOA marks a fundamental shift in
its consideration of this issue and expressing its desire to build a new
relationship with Iran. This UN Security Council resolution will also provide for
the termination on Implementation Day of provisions imposed under previous
resolutions; establishment of specific restrictions; and conclusion of
consideration of the Iran nuclear issue by the UN Security Council 10 years after
the Adoption Day.

15. The provisions stipulated in this JCPOA will be implemented for their respective
durations as set forth below and detailed in the annexes.

16. The E3/EU+3 and Iran will meet at the ministerial level every 2 years, or earlier
if needed, in order to review and assess progress and to adopt appropriate
decisions by consensus.
 

ASCIIGHOST

Well-Known Member
To bad the simple minded participates of this poorly ran forum can't talk geopolitics. Id think at least some would regurgitate what politicians say, or what liberal professors say.
 

TBoneJack

Well-Known Member
Treaties with Iran are a waste of time.

I support using the USA using the Bunker Buster bomb to destroy all of Iran's underground nuclear facilities. Tomorrow. Unless there's an opportunity to do it today.
 

ASCIIGHOST

Well-Known Member
Treaties with Iran are a waste of time.

I support using the USA using the Bunker Buster bomb to destroy all of Iran's underground nuclear facilities. Tomorrow. Unless there's an opportunity to do it today.
So you think this "gives them the bomb?" I'll remind you this is the narrative for iraq (WMD) but never the less...Lets say it does. 15-30 years they got it. How do you know there isnt interceptors in space? How do you know space has not been weaponized? Nobody could fathom the atomic energy, at the time. You think people are going to fathom what is next for the military industrial complex? I dont....
 

TBoneJack

Well-Known Member
So you think this "gives them the bomb?" I'll remind you this is the narrative for iraq (WMD) but never the less...Lets say it does. 15-30 years they got it. How do you know there isnt interceptors in space? How do you know space has not been weaponized? Nobody could fathom the atomic energy, at the time. You think people are going to fathom what is next for the military industrial complex? I dont....
We should take out Iran's nuclear facilities now.
 

TBoneJack

Well-Known Member
who is we? do you have a mouse in your pocket?
You're a very rare person here, in that you seem to have the ability to make both liberals and conservatives absolutely hate your fucking guts. Now that shows talent.

In another thread, @abandonconflict gave you some really good advice that would make the earth a much better place...
 

ASCIIGHOST

Well-Known Member
You're a very rare person here, in that you seem to have the ability to make both liberals and conservatives absolutely hate your fucking guts. Now that shows talent.

In another thread, @abandonconflict gave you some really good advice that would make the earth a much better place...
I'm just pointing out your avocation of force. Liberals and conservatives absolutely love to rely on force. Its as if neither are capable of accomplishing things without it. If you came to the geo-political thread without an understanding of geo-politics, thats not my problem. Learn from it and move on, thats what liberals don't do.

If I find myself among ultra-conservatives its usually because of my love for liquid cocaine. (thats what we call Jack Daniels in my neck of the woods) love that iron-free water. the earth gives us all we need. Mammoth Cave National park is right up there with wonders of world as the Great Barrier Reef.
 

TBoneJack

Well-Known Member
I'm just pointing out your avocation of force. Liberals and conservatives absolutely love to rely on force. Its as if neither are capable of accomplishing things without it. If you came to the geo-political thread without an understanding of geo-politics, thats not my problem. Learn from it and move on, thats what liberals don't do.

If I find myself among ultra-conservatives its usually because of my love for liquid cocaine. (thats what we call Jack Daniels in my neck of the woods) love that iron-free water. the earth gives us all we need. Mammoth Cave National park is right up there with wonders of world as the Great Barrier Reef.
My guess of the Over/Under number of days until you're banned here: 3

@sunni, you have the mouse and password to get rid of this guy, right? Oh please, oh please...
 

OddBall1st

Well-Known Member
To find out more why the Iran deal is good please visit: http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

Nothing good comes from sponsoring and gifting a Country Nuclear reactors. All, that`s All of what Iran wants can be done without Iran owning and running a reactor.
The fool. Iran made promises and treaties,....Iran don`t want a HOT weapon,...Iran this and Iran that,....anything but surrounding Countries wanting the same deal, only by Afghanistan, Russia, and China.

Gonna be a good Nuclear arms race over there and now that the US has circumvented the scientists, well, everyone can follow suit.

The coward,....give us one or else,......OK.

Do whatever, but nothing/nobody can take away a HOT bomb when you have one. It can`t be done. Remember that............
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
I support A deal. I support the sanctions being lifted as all it was doing was destroying the average person's life there.

A deal without our hostages should have been a non-starter though. I'm still disappointed by that little detail.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
I support A deal. I support the sanctions being lifted as all it was doing was destroying the average person's life there.

A deal without our hostages should have been a non-starter though. I'm still disappointed by that little detail.
Walk before you run
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Walk before you run
Crawl before you walk.

Any deal without the hostages being released should have been a non-deal. It's that simple. I don't believe there was no way we could have swung that. Release our people and we'll talk, otherwise we are butting out and good luck with Israel.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Crawl before you walk.

Any deal without the hostages being released should have been a non-deal. It's that simple. I don't believe there was no way we could have swung that. Release our people and we'll talk, otherwise we are butting out and good luck with Israel.
 

Darth Vapour

Well-Known Member
again one has to ask why a country like USA has to meddle into another countries power grid one should be asking who in the fuck did japan get nuclear for such a small country there on track for the worst pollution to the environment in man kinds history Just because a country goes nuclear does not mean there going to make nuclear weapons and if the did they why worry i guess one would worry if you fucked them at one time or another USA ring a bell
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
LOL check you out.

Using a Christian argument from a Pastor to stroke Obama a bit. That was cute coming from you. Did you feel even a little dirty?
Why are you bitching about the deal being bad because it didn't include the hostages when even one of the hostages supports it, especially when it ensures Iran doesn't build a nuclear weapon?

That seems completely absurd to me
 

ASCIIGHOST

Well-Known Member
Also, for the record, its my opinion that the next president will be republican. the democrats pissed off AIPAC with this deal, and won't get the same funding from AIPAC in the next election cycle.
 
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