Do you think something like WWII could happen today?

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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A big part of the reason WWII happened was because of ethnic ignorance, do you think something like that, on that scale, could happen today? A government could convince its population a certain sect of people are everything that is what's bad about their existence, so the majority of people turn against them and you end up with something like the holocaust?

I was thinking about this, and I don't think it could, I think ignorance about cultures around the world from first world nations with the ability to wage global war is a thing of the past. That's not to say that WWIII won't happen, I think it will, but I don't think it'll be over something as retarded as ethnic or cultural differences, if I had to guess, I'd just about guarantee you WWIII will be waged over religion, but that's another thread..
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
A big part of the reason WWII happened was because of ethnic ignorance, do you think something like that, on that scale, could happen today? A government could convince its population a certain sect of people are everything that is what's bad about their existence, so the majority of people turn against them and you end up with something like the holocaust?

I was thinking about this, and I don't think it could, I think ignorance about cultures around the world from first world nations with the ability to wage global war is a thing of the past. That's not to say that WWIII won't happen, I think it will, but I don't think it'll be over something as retarded as ethnic or cultural differences, if I had to guess, I'd just about guarantee you WWIII will be waged over religion, but that's another thread..
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Have you noticed how Islamaphobia is acceptable? Did you know that millions have died as a result of the Global War on Terror? Did you know that the US funds Israeli (nonsecular) apartheid?

The crusades are still going on.
 
Taviddude

Taviddude

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Yes.
If we were to unilaterally use any military force against Iran it is a done deal.
China, Russia, North Korea and Iran would in their own words hold nothing back.
China said it would protect Iran "Even on the scale of a Third World War".
It's no secret. The US was threatening Iran with military force.
After the statement from the China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran Alliance we backed off with our tail between out legs.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Until there is a global shift from competition to cooperation, Earth will host a human civil war.

Welcome to paradise.
 
Wavels

Wavels

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abandonconflict said:
Until there is a global shift from competition to cooperation, Earth will host a human civil war.

Welcome to paradise.
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Wars will never cease. Human Nature is not malleable.
IMO, major wars are virtually unavoidable.
The world is a brutal, nasty, and unfair place.
Always has been and always will be.

Existence for all living beings is tenuous at best.
This holds true for all living creatures.
Paradise is unattainable in the realm of reality.
 
Doer

Doer

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The problem is WW starts before anyone knows. Then we are up to our asses fighting it. Check the British story in Burma.

Then you go out and say something like this just to put a label on it....

We know, now that there is sunlight again and we have return to the surface....this WW3, (mankind may not even still survive,) began when the then, current US President (no one may speak his name) lost over 20K advanced man portable missiles in an uprising in the Levant. (Syria it was called)

Or it may have been when the previous US President (name also banned) invaded Iraq also in the Levant.. We may never know how WW3 got started.

But we know it can never happen again. (and now a word from our sponsors, CleanDirt)
 
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spandy

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Doesn't matter the reason, there is always a reason. As long as there is man, there will always be a war.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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cannabineer said:
How did "ethnic ignorance" precipitate Pearl Harbor? cn
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the ball was already rolling by that point ;)

up till that point america thought it could stay isolated from it all. ignorant? maybe i dont see it for ethnics on usa side

EDIT: forgot to mention the japanese perhaps thier ignorance about the abilities of their ethnic group could mentioned
 
sync0s

sync0s

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Padawanbater2 said:
A big part of the reason WWII happened was because of ethnic ignorance, do you think something like that, on that scale, could happen today? A government could convince its population a certain sect of people are everything that is what's bad about their existence, so the majority of people turn against them and you end up with something like the holocaust?

I was thinking about this, and I don't think it could, I think ignorance about cultures around the world from first world nations with the ability to wage global war is a thing of the past. That's not to say that WWIII won't happen, I think it will, but I don't think it'll be over something as retarded as ethnic or cultural differences, if I had to guess, I'd just about guarantee you WWIII will be waged over religion, but that's another thread..
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Wrong. Ethnic "ignorance" as you say was a byproduct of the war. As well, persecution of specific groups (typically ethnic groups) is utilized by those in power or seeking power in order to fire up support for war.

With former KGB and current president in power, Russia is pushing back towards the Soviet direction we are building a new cold war. Russia supports Iran, NKorea, and China. Many of those are apparently our "enemies." You do the math.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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ginjawarrior said:
the ball was already rolling by that point ;)

up till that point america thought it could stay isolated from it all. ignorant? maybe i dont see it for ethnics on usa side

EDIT: forgot to mention the japanese perhaps thier ignorance about the abilities of their ethnic group could mentioned
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Before Pearl, the two principal theaters were at either end of Eurasia. In both instances, the principal precipitating factors were economic and territorial. The ethnic issues were a veneer of propaganda and not a real causal factor. Pearl expanded the eastern conflict into our sphere of can't-ignore. cn
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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America can't function with out an external enemy.

Lol someone said man is not malleable, seems like our nature has been bent to the will of warmongers.
 
Doer

Doer

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Oh yeah the war was well and truly fubared by the time we got in, FDR can stand for a bow....woops.

But, ethnic mis-calculation, to me says the xenophobia of a 1000 years meant the Rising Sun seriously under estimated their opponents.

It also means the Allies didn't understand what we were doing with Admiral Perry and gun boat diplomacy, in the first place.

And our ignorance of the rising Bushido cult, taking over the top of Brass, certainly contributed. Add our mis-understanding of relationship of the Military katsu intentions and the Emperor.
Japanese
English
katsuto win
katsuyet, and
katsudivide, cut, halve, separate, split, rip, break
katsucutlet
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Science.

Cooperation is central to human social behaviour. However, choosing to cooperate requires individuals to incur a personal cost to benefit others. Here we explore the cognitive basis of cooperative decision-making in humans using a dual-process framework. We ask whether people are predisposed towards selfishness, behaving cooperatively only through active self-control; or whether they are intuitively cooperative, with reflection and prospective reasoning favouring 'rational' self-interest. To investigate this issue, we perform ten studies using economic games. We find that across a range of experimental designs, subjects who reach their decisions more quickly are more cooperative. Furthermore, forcing subjects to decide quickly increases contributions, whereas instructing them to reflect and forcing them to decide slowly decreases contributions. Finally, an induction that primes subjects to trust their intuitions increases contributions compared with an induction that promotes greater reflection. To explain these results, we propose that cooperation is intuitive because cooperative heuristics are developed in daily life where cooperation is typically advantageous. We then validate predictions generated by this proposed mechanism. Our results provide convergent evidence that intuition supports cooperation in social dilemmas, and that reflection can undermine these cooperative impulses.
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This is the thesis of a study on human behavior.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22996558
 
K

Kervork

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If war is a result of competition over resources then the biggest one(s) are yet to come.

One might hope the world will gather together and sing Kumbaya when we start running out food and water. I don't expect that to happen though.
 
Wavels

Wavels

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abandonconflict said:
America can't function with out an external enemy.

Lol someone said man is not malleable, seems like our nature has been bent to the will of warmongers.
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Human Nature is what it is...'twas ever thus. Peace occasionally breaks out historically, but not very often.

Our nature has not been "bent" in any way...it is immutable...sorry about that.

Those who think that human nature can be modified and therefore also believe that some type of utopian paradise can be achieved, have, in actuality inspired almost as much human degradation and suffering as the religious zealots.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Wavels said:
Human Nature is what it is...'twas ever thus. Peace occasionally breaks out historically, but not very often.

Our nature has not been "bent" in any way...it is immutable...sorry about that.

Those who think that human nature can be modified
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Nothing more than assertions. A declarative statement with no premise is not an argument. "Twas ever thus" is just your interpretation of history.

If you think human behavior is not taught, you have never seen a TV commercial.
 
Doer

Doer

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Again not a bad thing. Friends close, enemies closer. Hey, if it thinks WE need enemies in self rule, it just has to turn around and ride the horse of life, facing forward.

It is true. We were born in conflict and in conflict we remain. Some can yawn and shit and go back to sleep....or say it like it is bad and piss themselves. Did it think anyone disagrees? It has the hate blinders, still.

See FDR was hoping appeasement could contain the Nazi. The Royalist Haw Haws, in Britain, thought they could bargain. Lessons learned....or not.

These enemies we keep, need us and thats a fact. We just sold arms to Egypt.

We show remarkable restraint as a superpower. When the superP kicks the tarbaby, its on purpose.

AFY
 
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