Do you think there are still dank landrace strains that haven't yet been discovered?

Like in maybe Africa or the Amazon? Or have most potent native plants been discovered?

i like to think theyre out there

Legalize Nature said:

Like in maybe Africa or the Amazon? Or have most potent native plants been discovered?

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First of all, by definition, all of the medically relevant landrace cannabis plants are the result of human selective breeding.

So by definition, all of them have been "discovered", since human beings are the ones who created them and keep growing them!

The question, I think, is are there any excellent landrace strains out there that have not yet been exploited by commercial cannabis breeders?

The answer, there, I think is yes. . .but.

There are probably are some pretty good strains out there that aren't readily available. . .from the places you'd imagine that such strains would be located.
Specifically, the "bad" parts of Africa, jungles in Southeast Asia, etc.

BUT. . .these are still all likely to be serious "sativa" strains that require really long flowering periods to reach their full potential (meaning they can't be grown outdoors in North America under ordinary circumstances), and that will probably only do best under their native conditions.

Also, although they probably do have different flavor and other character, in absolute terms these plants probably aren't really any more potent than the most potent of the already well-known landrace strains like Santa Marta (Columbian Gold), or the strongest Afghani hash-making indica strains, etc.

They should get more landraces from the Hindu kush mountains in india

I plan on going back to the purer landrace strains. These hybrids are bomb and very potent but I being an older smoker like stuff like I had in the seventies and eighties. I believe i would find that again in gettin back to the pure stuff.

I feel like nature isn't turning out anything like we are..simply because the plants don't have the internet buying more genetics to add to one pool...the plants aren't going from country to country getting all the strongest strains altogether...they are just interbreeding with all the similar plants in their area...but there are surely some out there we haven't crossed with some genetic wonder to produce the 8th Wonder of the World!...lol

jimdandy said:

I plan on going back to the purer landrace strains. These hybrids are bomb and very potent but I being an older smoker like stuff like I had in the seventies and eighties. I believe i would find that again in gettin back to the pure stuff.

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I feel like a lot of times when you order seeds even the landrace seeds you are often getting that companies attempt to recreate that particular strain as opposed to actually being that strain from the 70's...and i think that just sux.

here's stuff growing all over in the nooks and crannies of the world that's too isolated to make it globally unless someone goes looking for them. i bet 90% of all common modern strains originated in tourist hubs.

then there's headstash growers who still maintain old school genetics. there's a breeding site mentioned here that had a "black haze" as well as allegedly real otherwise impossible to find panama red.

another member here, i think, found some decent street weed in cambodia or one of the other "magic asian countries". i bet if you go out in the country... there's some happy ass growers that never heard of the internet or barak obama. i've heard of a couple nice local strains somewhere in australia too.

if you could build a time machine back to around 1995, i used to have a bunch of awesome mexican commercial strains with the "best" being a super potent (for brick anyways) high with the same red hot crushed pepper taste as original kali mist before they wussed it's flavor out with a fruity strain.

a lot of growers with off the charts strains hoard them. the creator of REAL alaskan thunderfuck NEVER let a bean, cutting or even his recipe go. talk about control issues!

You would have to do some searching. A lot of the far away places have mediocre genetics in general. There was a guy in Nepal that was wishing he had Cali Kush beans a while back on this site.

Most likely the best stuff would be found in the most dangerous areas and that is why it is not floating around. Most would be sativa and not indoor or US outdoor friendly.

I got some awesome indica back in the late 70's and wanted some seeds so bad. I still remember that bag of pot, some of the best I ever had. They were giving none of the seeds away or selling them either. The best is usually hoarded and that is really sad, but they are looking out for their own well fare and I can not blame them as that is their business.

Nostalgia's a bitch.

the most potent strains merely exist because of human selection and intervention. hemp is what grows in the wild my friend, especially when there are no humans to cultivate and selectively breed them. IMO there are probably many exotic strains that grow natively around the world, many left to be found & smoked.

Sadly governments of the world have been destoying these wonderful gene pools for a long time. When the U.S.S.R. was in control of the Afghanistan/Pakistan region they wiped alot of the landrace genetics out of the region. I understand there is still alot there, just alot less natural diversity. My understanding is that you could find variation between different valleys right next to each other. Again with areas like Belize. They used to be a large producer of great haze type varieties. Some of the best creeper I ever had wasw from there. When the British were going to hand over control of the country to it's people, they went through and erradicated the MJ farming going on there. I haven't saw Herb like that since. It is sad when some men can decide to undo countless years of mother nature and man working together simply for their own benefit.

I'm getting ready to trim up a pure landrace strain this morning.
It is a Bahia Black Head from Brazil. A pure landrace strain that smells
and looks potent as all hell.

For what its worth, award winning breeder "Reeferman" from Canada recently said that he's spent much of the last 7 years in South and Central America searching, and after scouring the entire continent, he couldn't find *ANY* as yet undiscovered native/landrace strains left there worth growing. I think the take was that basically, with the rise and increased profitability of cocaine, Latin American MJ just evaporated.

He did mention, though, that there was still some great stuff to be found in Asia, including some stuff literally growing wild in India that he claimed was better than many of the commercial strains!

Interview here, in episode 20 of Donnie Danko's "Free Weed" podcast, starting at about 21 minutes into the program. This is actually a great interview, by the way, probably one of the best ones of his entire series, and a "must listen" if you want to get the perspective of a master breeder. He goes into some detail about why people THINK they want landrace strains, but why in reality what they really want/need are good hybrids.

http://hightimes.com/entertainment/dan/7214

ever wondered what actual other species of plant exist that we have never thought to dry out and smoke

seems like a good place to ask this.....anyone know anything about true panama red?? is it real even? ......one time i got one small nug given to me it was red....and i mean red...crystally good shit so it was no def. or anything..could this have been panama red or is that just a name and it was likely sometihng else?

kermit2692 said:

seems like a good place to ask this.....anyone know anything about true panama red?? is it real even? ......one time i got one small nug given to me it was red....and i mean red...crystally good shit so it was no def. or anything..could this have been panama red or is that just a name and it was likely sometihng else?

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Well, unless you happened to be standing in central America when you were handed this nug, it was probably something else. There are other strains that can have a reddish or clay colored appearance to the buds.

Is Panama red a real stain? Absolutely. It was exactly what it sounds like, a strain grown outdoors in Panama, known for its slightly reddish color and extreme potency.

Unfortunately, with the rise of cocaine in the late 1970s and early 1980s, coupled with Reagan's war on drugs, commercially grown outdoor cannabis like Panama Red disappeared from most of Latin America.

I've never tried it, but by all accounts it was excellent, and I'm sure it would hold up today as something worthwhile. Apparently the strain does still exist, though its quite hard to find. I don't think seeds of the pure strain are commercially available. Also, like most of these outdoor grown pure Sativa strains, even if you could find the seeds, they probably wouldn't be all that satisfying to grow. They probably take nearly four months to flower completely and won't grow well to maturity outdoors in most of North America because of the frost.

MysticMorris said:

ever wondered what actual other species of plant exist that we have never thought to dry out and smoke

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Humans being what they are, its pretty likely that we've tried to ingest and/or smoke just about every common species on the planet by now.

I wouldn't say its impossible that there are yet some undiscovered medical/psychoactive plants left in some jungle/rainforest somewhere, but its unlikely.

i would actually say its likely we havent found every drug out there...but for sure their are ALOT of plants out there that are "drugs" that the average american/european/canadian has never heard about...a bunch of tribal ritual herbs we dont have access to

Panama Red is from ACE seeds and is the real deal as far as high quality South American sativas. I only had Colombians, Mexican and Yucatan from the 70's but this is right up there with any of it.

Throw some uvb on it or any other sativa to get more effect. Really you have to grow these strains outdoors in their native area to get all the effect they have to offer.

On the 'nostalgia is a bitch' well true enough, but not all reminicing is just bullshit because the old timer wishes to see his past as great. The best of the 70's was easily as good as any I get today and for the sativas was a little better than I can do indoors, trippy effect is what I am getting at.