Do you understand high yield like I do?

Ok, well let me just first say I travel around this board, and many other boards, as well as talking to other growers and i see that people generally ask the same questions about growing in regards to yield.

what is the highest yielding strain?
what is the highest yielding nutes?
what is the highest yielding methods.

now nutes and methods do have some impact, but i think that is more of the growers touch more than anything, where as genetically speaking, i feel that some plants will put off more yield than others (under optimal conditions).

now here is where i get cloudy.... lets assume someone has a perpetual grow.

they want to know what the absolute highest yielding strain is without sacrificing too much quality, and the same names usually come to mind.. big bud, critical mass, chronic, etc...

well the thing that i always think about is ok, these strains do make great yields possible, and to get that good smoke, generally they need to go for 9-10 weeks. which will basically get you about 5 cycles a year if you are on point.

now on the other hand, you could have a faster flowering strain, such as pure afghani, hashplant, or a fast flowering ak47 or skunk pheno, that will finish in 7-8 weeks tops, and give great yeilds and great potency...

so while you may not be able to get as much per yield, you can sqeeze in an extra grow or so per year...

so lets say you run 2k watts and you have 5 grows and some change.. and lets say with your heavy strain, you pull 2lb 5oz, 5.2 cycles a year which gives you 12lb 1.4 oz

with your fast flowering you pull 1lb 14oz, which is about 20 percent less bud (which i doubt would be that much difference in genetics but anyway).. but with your fast flowering you get 6 and a half grows per year, leaving you with 12lbs 3oz per year...

anyways so my point is, does anyone else agree with me or disagree? cuz all my buddys that grow go for big bud, chronic, thc bomb, crit mass, the hog etc.. which all need at least 9 weeks to get the full weight and potency from (from what i have seen)... and to me it seems like a fast flowering lil soldier would mean more medicine...

maybe im just over analyzing it and really they bud faster and bigger lol but i donno make sense to me...

anyways let the discussion begin! im curious to know what you other guys think

FLo

and if this needs to be in advanced marywanna cultivation mods feel free to move it

nobody has opinions?

no expert opinion here but I agree with the logic behind it, I'm just starting to grow and these all seem like valid points to ask since over time it will make a difference.

All you need is to make sure the numbers you have are correct, and if they are then you are right..

I agree with you unless your on a pertptual cycle. I also am a believer in grow what you like and then figure out how to get bigger yeilds. Blueberry is gr8 smoke not near the yeild. Definately not a expert just a cheap opinon

stofmonster said:

I agree with you unless your on a pertptual cycle. I also am a believer in grow what you like and then figure out how to get bigger yeilds. Blueberry is gr8 smoke not near the yeild. Definately not a expert just a cheap opinon

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why would you disagree on a perpetual cycle? the example i laid out is on a perpetual cycle.

Logically, it makes sense. It's hard to tell if the math actually works to give you an extra grow per year. You should keep in mind though that adding an extra grow does add more work though.

I'm just growing for personal use so I doubt I'll ever test your theory. I agree with stof about growing what you like. I will probably focus on growing sativa dominant strains and trying to get a good yield for a sativa with an energetic, uplifting high.

i mean its all dependant on the actual strain, but i was just going off of what smaller yielding plants i have grown and what the larger ones have grown, and the difference in yield and time, so it is still a rough estimate..
but it does seem logical, and yes the extra grow will require more work, but its not work if you think its fun!!

does anyone disagree with this theory

FLoJo said:

why would you disagree on a perpetual cycle? the example i laid out is on a perpetual cycle.

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You are right depending on yeild of course but yes if the yeild is close enough you would harvest alot more plants
I wasn't think about it right, I was thinking you can set your harvest what ever you want just how many plants you get every 3 weeks or every 2 weeks, so you set the harvest schedule. Sorry rambling but yes I agree
I think I will

ya you can definitely do that if you are running a staggered garden with plants in different stages, but i feel that the same rules would apply.. a faster flowring pheno would give you more meds in the long run if you can get a decent yielder with a 7 or 8 week harvest window.

okay, ill bite. keep in mind i am not a dealer but i like math and your post was kool. i am a business man so i woud look at it that way. in business you make decisions based on trending data. i would grow (side by side) one of each breed for a couple cycles and see what weighs more.

if were looking at this from a business standpoint, i would say add in the selling price factor. You can have some bagseed that grows like an animal and yeilds 5oz a plant, or you can have some white rhino, get 2.5 ta 3 off it, but then turn around and sell it for a hell of alot more.

In a lolllipop SOG fast turn around system
Say your flower room holds 60 plants if you have a 9 week cycle plant you harvest every three weeks you get 17.3 harvest of 20 plants = 346plants/year
If you get avg. 1.2 oz per plant = 415.2oz/ year

same 60 plants at 8 week cycle harvest 30 plants every 4 weeks. youe harvest 390 plants/ year with the extra workIf you avg 1.0 oz per plant = 390 oz / year

for this simple example the 9 week strain is better but i am sure you can get the right ones to get a shorter flower to do better

well im not looking at it as a dealer, cuz im not one, and im not looking at it as a business, cuz its not one LOL

i look at it from a point of efficiency and producing the most amount of meds i can for the amount of work and money that i put in...

that being said, you make a good point stof. that def. makes sense in a staggered garden which you are talking about. from what i have seen with staggered gardens tho is that you do not yield as much as growing as a single crop (again jut my opinoin from what i have seen and tested) and this is because of a few different reasons,

first you have to adapt the nutrients with either more veg formula, or an overall lower ppm nutrient solution, which can do two things depending on strain...

first because of the extra veg formula, flowering plants are slower to flower, and grow a litte more leafy, using less energy on buds. also with a lower ppm concentration some heavier feeders will not reach their full potential because obviously they are being less optimal ranges of nutes.

also i feel like in staggered gardens that i have seen that the smaller plants tend to get choked out for light from the larger ones that branch out, which gives them less than optimal results until the larger ones are taken out and they can take full advantage of being the big girls in the club lol

this is only when they are run in the same systems tho, having different systems side by side running on different schedules is a completely different story, but brings us back to the analogy i used earlier.

so with that being said, i feel like a staggered garden is not quite as productive as a crop grown all together using optimum conditions and feed in each stage of flowering development. it seems to me that there is a reason that most commercial grows grow a crop, chop it and plant another, instead of running a staggered system with different stages of flower in the same system.

again these are just my opinions from what i have seen in staggered gardens and expiraments of my own (which totals to about 3 diff staggered gardens LOL) but i am sure that a better grower could tune it in and do much better than a traditional crop grown together.

still an interesting concept either way, i am curious to see what others think and get some other examples flowing!

FLo

well if you are just lookig for meds, like me, you can really lock in on the crop. i used to have about 8-10 plants at a time. right now i have 3 moms that i have reguvinated 3 times so far. 1 ww, 1 jack herer, 1 papaya and they provide me with more smoke than i could possibly use. my big secret? miracle grow potting soil, time release nutes off the shelf next to the soil and tap water. i usually get 1-2 Z per plant every 3 months. sometimes i marvel at some of the guys on this site who try to turn this into rocket science. this stuff is a weed, it grows anywhere and everywhere. unless you are into hydro, or doing this as a business no need to go complicated. and the nice thing about the strains i use, they are next to impossible to kill and anywhere from 1-5 rips gets you from moderately stoned to completely goofy. dont take much. God i love weed...

well yes it is a weed but in my opinion it is much more... sure you can build a house out of plywood and duct tape but is it going to be the best it could be? are you going to get the most use out of it? in my opinion better foundations build better houses, and better soils and nutrients will give you a better crop regardless if it is weed, or potatoes, or carrots.. anyways i use hydro so it is a lot more controlled and you can tweak your plants on a smaller scale than with anything else, and those little differences can mean the difference between 1oz a plant and 3 oz a plant..

anyhow, who else has opinions?

i definately agree i might be a newbie here but not to growing

I understand what your saying about staggered garden because I have several different strains in my unit at once I have to use nutes the lowest tolerance plant can handle so others would yeild more if not for that. This is a intersting topic I do wish more people would come in with other opinions and examples.

FLoJo said:

well im not looking at it as a dealer, cuz im not one, and im not looking at it as a business, cuz its not one LOL

i look at it from a point of efficiency and producing the most amount of meds i can for the amount of work and money that i put in...

that being said, you make a good point stof. that def. makes sense in a staggered garden which you are talking about. from what i have seen with staggered gardens tho is that you do not yield as much as growing as a single crop (again jut my opinoin from what i have seen and tested) and this is because of a few different reasons,

first you have to adapt the nutrients with either more veg formula, or an overall lower ppm nutrient solution, which can do two things depending on strain...

first because of the extra veg formula, flowering plants are slower to flower, and grow a litte more leafy, using less energy on buds. also with a lower ppm concentration some heavier feeders will not reach their full potential because obviously they are being less optimal ranges of nutes.

also i feel like in staggered gardens that i have seen that the smaller plants tend to get choked out for light from the larger ones that branch out, which gives them less than optimal results until the larger ones are taken out and they can take full advantage of being the big girls in the club lol

this is only when they are run in the same systems tho, having different systems side by side running on different schedules is a completely different story, but brings us back to the analogy i used earlier.

so with that being said, i feel like a staggered garden is not quite as productive as a crop grown all together using optimum conditions and feed in each stage of flowering development. it seems to me that there is a reason that most commercial grows grow a crop, chop it and plant another, instead of running a staggered system with different stages of flower in the same system.

again these are just my opinions from what i have seen in staggered gardens and expiraments of my own (which totals to about 3 diff staggered gardens LOL) but i am sure that a better grower could tune it in and do much better than a traditional crop grown together.

still an interesting concept either way, i am curious to see what others think and get some other examples flowing!

FLo

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yoo flojo u seem like a pretty crazy grower and all but i have a quick question about nutes and the best way to lock in on the amount u should use for the strain? i grow organically because i dont wana run the risks of hydro and my pockets aint deep enough hahaha thanks

ya i wish we could get some more peeps in here too, the more the merrier!!

and kief, if you are growing organically, i would just mix up a great soil recipe on this site, and transplant into large pots right before flowering, with a mix that you wouldnt need to feed except for with water.. a good soil mixture in the right amounts will not need feeding throughout the entire growing process.. im not really experienced with soil but i have read some great threads in the organics section using soils and teas.

and also hydro is really not as hard as people think it is, and can be cheap if you do it right..

you can do a DWC, where all you need is a bucket, net pot, some hydroton and an air pump and some nutes.. great yields, easy to manage.. easily pays for itself.. if you can read instructions, and fill a bucket.. you got a great grow!!

anyways i would still like to hear some feedback from other peeps!! i know there are more than 2 opininons on this subject!