Same topic, different test. I always cruise the gardening area at WalMart and picked up a 12 oz, bottle of liquid violet food, 7-7-7. Been using it for a while mixed with the daily watering in the flower room. I've noticed bigger buds that are just oozing stickiness after 35-38 days. My strain is Critical Sensi Star, CSS. The CSS is also a reliable cloner and fits well in my perpetual grow. I'm in gen 7 or 8 by now with no loss of vigor. Great strain from Delicious. BigSteve.
Drop bloom time to 5-6 wks on most strains and increase yield.
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churchhaze
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Just for the record, MOAB is nearly pure mono potassium phosphate (KH2PO4).
You can get it a lot cheaper buying generically.
As pointed out already by Jondamon, you're probably just inducing early senescence by blocking out calcium.
You can get it a lot cheaper buying generically.
As pointed out already by Jondamon, you're probably just inducing early senescence by blocking out calcium.
You don't think MOAB has any PGRs in it ? Would be nice if it didnt but I have always been suspicious of it.
For all you skeptics here are some shots of the AFwreck at 39 days.
Pic doesnt do its size justice. 2 zips one plant per SQ foot. Great yield, great quality and 9 week strain done in 6 weeks. What more could you ask for ? Thsi plant along with several others actually snapped from the weight of the colas at the end of flush (2 days later than photo was taken)
Pic doesnt do its size justice. 2 zips one plant per SQ foot. Great yield, great quality and 9 week strain done in 6 weeks. What more could you ask for ? Thsi plant along with several others actually snapped from the weight of the colas at the end of flush (2 days later than photo was taken)
I read ur post and noone confirmed they have cut flowering time like u have and also ur pics further the point that ur buds need another 2-3 weeks to fill out they still have white hairs. Like i said ur the only person making these claims and u thought moab had pgrs and sounded stumped when church said is was pure momo phosphate.
Several people stated that it does work to drop flowering at least 7-10 days. Look up PGRs to drop flowering time and you can find some threads. Not making any claim just posting up facts from my grow. White hairs ? Those plants are as done as those strains are at 8-9 weeks. Day 42 all milky trichs and decent amount amber. I could post another picture of AFWreck on another tray that is 5-6 weeks in right now. It isnt even close. At 5 weeks the buds didnt even fill in yet where the new method they were totally bulked up at 30 days just waiting to get ripe. Same on the Grape god. Also yield was 2 lb per 1K light. Did you read where they were tested ? Sorry 2-3 weeks away from chop the trichs wont look like that and you wont get THC that high.
Trying to help growers not trying to stir shit up. Peoples egos always seem to get in the way. It never ceases to amaze me honestly.
StanlySpedowski
Active Member
You're full of shit. You cant shorten the flowering period that much and your yield will definitely not be increased doing that. I guarantee you if this technique actually worked it would be extremely well known and would have been discovered long before you and your friend.
If you actually have stuff that tested that high in THC you didn't grow it in 6 weeks. Where are you getting your strains tested? Can you post pics of the reports you have?
The pics you posted at day 39. Are you really saying that plant is going to be ready in 3 days? Doesn't look even close to being ready.
Please post more pics of this other AFWreck and all your other plants using this technique.
Nothing like having someone say you are full of shit to get you talking
Just because you don't know shit doesn't mean you have to act like such a tool . I posted to try and help growers. Then guys like you try to muck it all up because they just can't believe there is something they didn't know about growing. Growers have some of the biggest most fragile egos I have ever seen LOL. Just keep letting that huge ego get in the way of ever growing better. Two different labs have tested mine as it has gone to two different clubs. Yes they were grown in 6 weeks and yes they tested that high. Yes the picture from day 39 was harvested at day 42 and yes it tested that high. Yes I could post reports but seeing what a tool you are no I will not. I would have been happy to. Heck I could even just post the club with my Critical Plus which is 24.7% and they post their results. I wont bother though. You really should try and work on your communication skills. "hey you lying asshole, could I please ask you a few questions ? " LOL
DemonTrich
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dude, everything you spew out of your mouth is utter BS!!!! post the facking reports or you have ZERO to fall back on and prove you actually have an idea of growing and what not. all I hear is blah blah blah I have to clue what im talking about.
bottom line, post the reports or your lying.
bottom line, post the reports or your lying.
Dr. Who
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I've been watching this and just sitting back to let others debate the validity of these "CLAIMS".
First let me clear some air on PGR's in BUSHLOAD as the PGR in bushload has been banned and removed from shelves (some supply stores simply put it on sale and cleared it out fast) for causing CANCER! The same thing happened to Humbolt and Dutch Masters! Bushload has returned with OUT the PGR, Same for the Humbolt and DM simply discontinued the product.
As for your claims AND the pictures of your plants.......BS of the first order!
I need to ask this. How did you measure out 1.5ml of a powdered supplement? (If you do the math, you'll find that the amount you used is less then the amount listed by Mad Farmer) And then apply that to your regular feeding? What IS your regular feed (base nutrient system)?
You said you applied this at the start of flower and then continued your normal feeding. I don't care what P&K supplement you use. If you apply a HIGH P&K sup at the onset of flower, you WILL get a yellowing of the leaves starting at the base of the plant on the stem leaves and continuing up the plant and out the branching. Eventually effecting even the sugar leaves in extreme case's. You're alleged pictures of these so treated plants show 0 P&K overuse. This WOULD have expressed it's self, even at the single use of the product (you went back to your normal nutrient feeding after that), to one point or another AND have been seen in the pictures! THEN, 10 days later you add a 0-10-10 bloom booster to the party and I guar-en-fuckin-tee you WOULD get the P&K tox condition quick like after that (on top of the MOAB). Those pics would have looked like a fluorescent yellow paint chip card from Home depot!!!!
AN has a product called "Bud Blood" at (almost?) the same strength 0-52-32. They say to use it at the flip to flower as a bloom stimulator.....EVERY plant I have EVER seen use this as directed GETS the yellow out! (I wish I had a buck for every time I've told people here to NOT use it as directed. For that exact reason!) Why should this be different for MOAB???
I would have simply sit back and watched this "fire" burn away for a while. But then I thought of all the poor souls who would try this and be right back here with the constant question of "Why are my leaves turning yellow?".
Therefore I am putting this fire out now.
BULLSHIT!
The pictures are NOT of treated plants!
No way in this world would the use of MOAB, have reduced your flower time to anywhere NEAR the time you list, with the blown up results you claim to have gotten. ALL with no yellowing of the plant!
Trust me folks. Been there done that, YEARS ago (with the same base chems and B-vit's) got nothing like these claims! (only yellow plants) So,,,,,,,BULLSHIT!
First let me clear some air on PGR's in BUSHLOAD as the PGR in bushload has been banned and removed from shelves (some supply stores simply put it on sale and cleared it out fast) for causing CANCER! The same thing happened to Humbolt and Dutch Masters! Bushload has returned with OUT the PGR, Same for the Humbolt and DM simply discontinued the product.
As for your claims AND the pictures of your plants.......BS of the first order!
I need to ask this. How did you measure out 1.5ml of a powdered supplement? (If you do the math, you'll find that the amount you used is less then the amount listed by Mad Farmer) And then apply that to your regular feeding? What IS your regular feed (base nutrient system)?
You said you applied this at the start of flower and then continued your normal feeding. I don't care what P&K supplement you use. If you apply a HIGH P&K sup at the onset of flower, you WILL get a yellowing of the leaves starting at the base of the plant on the stem leaves and continuing up the plant and out the branching. Eventually effecting even the sugar leaves in extreme case's. You're alleged pictures of these so treated plants show 0 P&K overuse. This WOULD have expressed it's self, even at the single use of the product (you went back to your normal nutrient feeding after that), to one point or another AND have been seen in the pictures! THEN, 10 days later you add a 0-10-10 bloom booster to the party and I guar-en-fuckin-tee you WOULD get the P&K tox condition quick like after that (on top of the MOAB). Those pics would have looked like a fluorescent yellow paint chip card from Home depot!!!!
AN has a product called "Bud Blood" at (almost?) the same strength 0-52-32. They say to use it at the flip to flower as a bloom stimulator.....EVERY plant I have EVER seen use this as directed GETS the yellow out! (I wish I had a buck for every time I've told people here to NOT use it as directed. For that exact reason!) Why should this be different for MOAB???
I would have simply sit back and watched this "fire" burn away for a while. But then I thought of all the poor souls who would try this and be right back here with the constant question of "Why are my leaves turning yellow?".
Therefore I am putting this fire out now.
BULLSHIT!
The pictures are NOT of treated plants!
No way in this world would the use of MOAB, have reduced your flower time to anywhere NEAR the time you list, with the blown up results you claim to have gotten. ALL with no yellowing of the plant!
Trust me folks. Been there done that, YEARS ago (with the same base chems and B-vit's) got nothing like these claims! (only yellow plants) So,,,,,,,BULLSHIT!
StanlySpedowski
Active Member
LOL. Sure thing bud. Stop going around spreading lies.Nothing like having someone say you are full of shit to get you talking
Who would have thought that on a freaking pot forum you would encounter so many pr*cks when you try to post some helpful growing information. WTF is wrong with some of you guys ? Seriously. Its pretty f*cking crazy. I guess some on here get too high on their own supply to make any kind of sense of the world. "this guy is lying to us and trying to trick us into something" ......... bat sh*t paranoid crazy talk if I ever heard it.
I posted very clear methods I used. I posted pictures of nearly finished product. I was very forthcoming. I hesitated to post this because it worked so well and knew how bizarre people can be on forums when you try to tell them something most of them don't know. Several others posted saying its nothing new but all the noob growers like you are sure quick to post nonsense ....
If I hadnt heard all these unprovoked redicules insults I would have gladly shared. I am not going to bother scanning them and posting them after all this negative crap.
you guys really need to get a grip on reality..... seriously..
I've been watching this and just sitting back to let others debate the validity of these "CLAIMS".
First let me clear some air on PGR's in BUSHLOAD as the PGR in bushload has been banned and removed from shelves (some supply stores simply put it on sale and cleared it out fast) for causing CANCER! The same thing happened to Humbolt and Dutch Masters! Bushload has returned with OUT the PGR, Same for the Humbolt and DM simply discontinued the product.
As for your claims AND the pictures of your plants.......BS of the first order!
I need to ask this. How did you measure out 1.5ml of a powdered supplement? (If you do the math, you'll find that the amount you used is less then the amount listed by Mad Farmer) And then apply that to your regular feeding? What IS your regular feed (base nutrient system)?
You said you applied this at the start of flower and then continued your normal feeding. I don't care what P&K supplement you use. If you apply a HIGH P&K sup at the onset of flower, you WILL get a yellowing of the leaves starting at the base of the plant on the stem leaves and continuing up the plant and out the branching. Eventually effecting even the sugar leaves in extreme case's. You're alleged pictures of these so treated plants show 0 P&K overuse. This WOULD have expressed it's self, even at the single use of the product (you went back to your normal nutrient feeding after that), to one point or another AND have been seen in the pictures! THEN, 10 days later you add a 0-10-10 bloom booster to the party and I guar-en-fuckin-tee you WOULD get the P&K tox condition quick like after that (on top of the MOAB). Those pics would have looked like a fluorescent yellow paint chip card from Home depot!!!!
AN has a product called "Bud Blood" at (almost?) the same strength 0-52-32. They say to use it at the flip to flower as a bloom stimulator.....EVERY plant I have EVER seen use this as directed GETS the yellow out! (I wish I had a buck for every time I've told people here to NOT use it as directed. For that exact reason!) Why should this be different for MOAB???
I would have simply sit back and watched this "fire" burn away for a while. But then I thought of all the poor souls who would try this and be right back here with the constant question of "Why are my leaves turning yellow?".
Therefore I am putting this fire out now.
BULLSHIT!
The pictures are NOT of treated plants!
No way in this world would the use of MOAB, have reduced your flower time to anywhere NEAR the time you list, with the blown up results you claim to have gotten. ALL with no yellowing of the plant!
Trust me folks. Been there done that, YEARS ago (with the same base chems and B-vit's) got nothing like these claims! (only yellow plants) So,,,,,,,BULLSHIT!
Wow another brilliant post by someone who I cant believe I am even going to respond to. How did I measure 1.5 ml per gallon ? Seriously? Ummm, lets see maybe add 150ml per 100 gal reservoir or 15 ml per 10 gal ...
Pretty tough math I know. You are supposed to use from 1-2 teaspoons per 5 gallons. This comes out to 1.5 teaspoons. Base is Maxibloom one part at 6 ml per gal once the Koolbloom is added. Without MOAB I go as high as 10 ml per gal or 1000ml per reservoir. So you and several others just come in here with flat out insults calling BS and now want to know my exact recipe ? LOL
You want me to hold you hand while you pee too ?
Obviously many of you are assuming by my post count I am some kind of noob on here and in real life. Have 9 years of this under my belt and have used every single nute out there in about every single fashion there is. I have also been on this board for MANY years.
You guys really need help with this insane mentality you have. I cant even begin to imagine what goes through your heads when you see someone posting up growing info and decide to go crazy calling bullshit etc etc etc...... If it was me I would have been asking questions to learn more. I guess some dogs cant learn new tricks and remain one trick ponies for ever. I have always tried to keep learning to grow and everything in life. You would be amazed how much better things can be like that.
StanlySpedowski
Active Member
Went back and read all the posts from the beginning. There were a couple people that agreed you could shorten the flower cycle with this method, Im sure you can. But, I didn't see anyone agree that it would be by 3+ weeks time and no one has agreed with you that this will increase yield per harvest or thc% by doing this. That is where you are losing people.
Dr. Who
Well-Known Member
Lets see here Koolbloom is 0-10-10 Maxi is 5-15-14 and 0-52-32 for the MOAB.
Maxi on the koolbloom is then 5-25-24. Your getting a P&K overage even without the MOAB.
I don't care how you say you add the MOAB, even if it was JUST MOAB you WOULD have yellow out! TO MUCH P&K!
This is not a new trick. It didn't work for me YEARS ago when I did all the novice mistakes. No way in hell has the FACT that overuse of P&K causes Cannabis to yellow out just like I stated above, changed in those years! The complete and utter overuse of P&K as you state above is counter productive to say the least...I would believe your claims if I was there to see them happen! BUT, in the PURE science of the plant. What you SAY you did is,,,,,,IMPOSSIBLE!
BUSHLOAD,,,,the formula was changed to exclude the banned PGR. It contains other unbanned PGR's. Someone VERY close to me OWN'S a hydro outlet and has 3 bottles of the banned stuff and they sit in the back room to this day.
You might want to learn how to use powdered supplements by WEIGHT, It's more accurate and you can manipulate the concentrations easier!
As long as we're throwing years of experience around, I'll trump your 9 with 37 and closing in on 38. There are more of us here at that age then you think. they simply don't want to get in a pissing match with you, over things we KNOW are BS!!!!!...I have tested new products for a lot of those companies you've used products from. I actually learned to grow right alongside several of the owners/developers of nutrient or supplement companies. I moved back home and we still travel back and forth to see each other every year. I may do things that others don't agree with. But from years of tweeking in that style of growing,,,,it works! The bulk of my grows are Organic. I do do some synthetic combo grows (I use an AACT at least twice a week in them, hence the word "combo"). I run DWC scrogs in the winter just for the fun of growing that way!
One last time. If you put MOAB into your mix at the point of flip to flower. You WILL get a yellowing leaf condition starting those 10 days before you add the koolbloom. This is an absolute, 0-52-32 if you HAVE to use it. It should not be started until the bulking phase at the last 2 weeks of flower before the wash. It should be used once each week!
I have NOT called you names. I simple say your info is BS and your pictures show it. I contest this because of the following storm of posts that may befall us asking why their plants are turning yellow because they followed your "findings".
Good Day
Maxi on the koolbloom is then 5-25-24. Your getting a P&K overage even without the MOAB.
I don't care how you say you add the MOAB, even if it was JUST MOAB you WOULD have yellow out! TO MUCH P&K!
This is not a new trick. It didn't work for me YEARS ago when I did all the novice mistakes. No way in hell has the FACT that overuse of P&K causes Cannabis to yellow out just like I stated above, changed in those years! The complete and utter overuse of P&K as you state above is counter productive to say the least...I would believe your claims if I was there to see them happen! BUT, in the PURE science of the plant. What you SAY you did is,,,,,,IMPOSSIBLE!
BUSHLOAD,,,,the formula was changed to exclude the banned PGR. It contains other unbanned PGR's. Someone VERY close to me OWN'S a hydro outlet and has 3 bottles of the banned stuff and they sit in the back room to this day.
You might want to learn how to use powdered supplements by WEIGHT, It's more accurate and you can manipulate the concentrations easier!
As long as we're throwing years of experience around, I'll trump your 9 with 37 and closing in on 38. There are more of us here at that age then you think. they simply don't want to get in a pissing match with you, over things we KNOW are BS!!!!!...I have tested new products for a lot of those companies you've used products from. I actually learned to grow right alongside several of the owners/developers of nutrient or supplement companies. I moved back home and we still travel back and forth to see each other every year. I may do things that others don't agree with. But from years of tweeking in that style of growing,,,,it works! The bulk of my grows are Organic. I do do some synthetic combo grows (I use an AACT at least twice a week in them, hence the word "combo"). I run DWC scrogs in the winter just for the fun of growing that way!
One last time. If you put MOAB into your mix at the point of flip to flower. You WILL get a yellowing leaf condition starting those 10 days before you add the koolbloom. This is an absolute, 0-52-32 if you HAVE to use it. It should not be started until the bulking phase at the last 2 weeks of flower before the wash. It should be used once each week!
I have NOT called you names. I simple say your info is BS and your pictures show it. I contest this because of the following storm of posts that may befall us asking why their plants are turning yellow because they followed your "findings".
Good Day
chuck estevez
Well-Known Member
26.5% you say????????????????? BWahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
wow, NOT ONE of the strongest strains on earth tested over 25%,just sayin http://www.hightimes.com/view/strongest-strains-2013
you must be the best grower in the world to pull that kind of thc out of a plant not even on the list.
chuck estevez
Well-Known Member
any bets that he doesn't produce one???