DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes

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TheNewGuyy

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my experience with the tea: it works... but sometimes you gotta be diligent. ill put AQ in with my nutes and also some zho while im waiting for the tea.. and if i ever made a bad batch i would just add AQ and zho to my resi and start a new tea. i never stop giving them bennies.
 
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redberk

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Thanks for the great thread.. Just added tea today with base nutes and some aquashield.. does anyone know if MagiCal (calcium/magnesium) is safe or helpful to use with tea bennies?
 
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redberk

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So I'm 2 weeks into a RDWC flowering cycle. Plants looked great going into flower... 2 days later clear-brown snot was starting to appear on roots. Immediately began sterile treatment with h202 and sm-90. Snot ceased, but seemed as if there was not much if any root growth happening. Resumed base nutes w cannazym and aquashield.. within 12 hours snot exploded. This is what led me to this thread. I went back to sterile treatment and began to brew tea. Flushed system and added tea 24 hours ago. Since tea was added.. Much more snotty mucus on old roots, but there is certainly quite a bit of new root growth from directly under and around net buckets. I believe this to be a good sign? My ph has dropped from 5.7-5.8 to about 5.4 since adding tea (about 24 hours). So is this ph drop normal, good, or bad? I also just added some MagiCal, which dropped it even a bit lower. How concerned should I be with the ph at this stage of the tea doing its thing? What is the best way to adjust ph with tea bennies?

Thanks everyone!
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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PH should stabilize in a few days. There is a lot going on in your res right now. In the meantime continue adjusting the PH as you normally would, but not more often than twice per day.

New shoots are a good sign. Glad things are working for you. :)
 
sterner

sterner

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AN contributed to a brown slime problem that i have. i used ph perfect sensi ab grow and in that they include wet betty which is an organic surfactant. bc its organic it contributed to the slime problem. all of their base nutes have this, so if you are having a slime problem now and are using AN nutes but cant figure out where it's comming from.... there's your answer.


thanks for figuring out the problem Heisenberg!! my ladies are doing much better now.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
sterner said:
AN contributed to a brown slime problem that i have. i used ph perfect sensi ab grow and in that they include wet betty which is an organic surfactant. bc its organic it contributed to the slime problem. all of their base nutes have this, so if you are having a slime problem now and are using AN nutes but cant figure out where it's comming from.... there's your answer.


thanks for figuring out the problem Heisenberg!! my ladies are doing much better now.
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Only the ph perfect line has the wet betty! If you pickup the non ph perfect you will be fine im
running it and theres no slime just stay away from there benny line
 
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redberk

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2nd dose of tea applied today and all seems to be splendid, new root growth is proceeding and pre/after slime and snot is receding. Absolutely wonderful! Many thanks to you Heisenberg and everyone else. I am currently using Canna A-B, Tea, PK, and cal/mag.... Can someone give thoughts on Canna Boost, is this safe to use with bennies? Worth the money?
 
^Slanty

^Slanty

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hellraizer30 said:
Only the ph perfect line has the wet betty! If you pickup the non ph perfect you will be fine im running it and theres no slime just stay away from there benny line
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I call BS on that. I am not an AN hater by any means, as it has produced some nice results in several of my grows, but I am having one hell of a battle with rot in my UC system that I built recently. DWC using GH 3 part has nothing but pearly white roots.(use the GH I have laying around for my rooted clones until I can put them in bud area usually) I put them in the UC system using AN 3 part base, B-52, VJ, METG, H2, F1, and cal/mag and I get rot! The plants have not shown huge signs up top from it, other than stunted growth on some plants, but I won't even think about putting them to bud until I get this sorted out! I was adding some Piranha,Tarantula, and Sensi-zym earlier, and have slowly been eliminating products one by one to see where the cause is coming from. I will do some trails maybe on a miniature UC system when I get time to construct one and do the testing to figure out just what AN product is causing my issues. I just hope this tea will get everything in check in a hurry so I can flip, because I am a few weeks behind now due to my re-occurring root issues. Can't wait to praise the big H for getting me back on track with his great tea!(my local dro shop is avidly awaiting my reviews of the Botanicare products I made them order in as well)

After I use up the majority of my base nutes from AN though, it will be time to get the local Dro shop to order me some Dyna in for more trails! I can't see myself utilizing very much of their products other than BB and OD in the future from my overall personal results.
 
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redberk

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I was curious if anyone has tried using Happy Frog potting soil as a sub for ancient forest. I am already using ewc in tea but was thinking about using happy frog with it.
 
weaponsgradeweed

weaponsgradeweed

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The an formula i have that seems to work fine in dwc for me ( i previously had brown slime in disasterous proportions and was on the verge of cropfailure and thinking of throwing in the towel and going back to soil)
I have a 12 plant perpetual harvest grow 12 5 gal buckets no chiller bucket temps often as high as 24c i live in the desert, r.o. water to 6ppm independent simple bubble buckets with net pot lids and hydroton each plant approx 2 weeks apart so ive tested a range of different nute recipes and combinations ( have the full an line bennies too ) what seems to be working for me & what nutes i used while fighting the slime and still today i will share in the hopes it helps someone else

Is as follows for an 8 week strain for longer flowering types i repeat week six a couple-a few times
H's tea as directed made from distilled water, ancient forest, zho, aquashield, & grandmas mollasses
buckets filled with ro water 3-3.5gal actual water
Sensi regular ( not ph perfect)bloom a 20mil bloom b 20 mil weeks 1-6 thats per bucket not gallon
Bud ignitor 10mIl weeks 1-2
Rhino skin 10mil weeks 1-6
Budfactor x 10mil weeks 1-6
big bud 10 mil weeks 2-4
b-52 10mil weeks 3-6
nirvana 10mil weeks 3-6
overdrive 10 mil weeks 5-6
final phase 10mil weeks 7-8
i ph first add nutes check ph again wait a min then add the benny tea last. I gave all my other an products to my girlfriend she uses them in her vegetable garden
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
First off h2,f1 wet betty have been added to the new ph perfect base line! The old three part base line doesnt have these in it!
there in sups seperate but still under there feeding chart. Using the old three part will eliminate the slime just leave out the f1
h2 and wet betty and all there bennys. Use only these and you will kill it!
base three part (non ph perfect)
B52
Big bud
bud ignighter
rhino skin
overdrive
Final phase
bud factor x works to but if your having issue with slime dont use it.



These are slime safe. You can call bs all you want but ask around and you will find im not spreading bs!
i would be happy to assist you with your issue anytime just hit me up.





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I call BS on that. I am not an AN hater by any means, as it has produced some nice results in several of my grows, but I am having one hell of a battle with rot in my UC system that I built recently. DWC using GH 3 part has nothing but pearly white roots.(use the GH I have laying around for my rooted clones until I can put them in bud area usually) I put them in the UC system using AN 3 part base, B-52, VJ, METG, H2, F1, and cal/mag and I get rot! The plants have not shown huge signs up top from it, other than stunted growth on some plants, but I won't even think about putting them to bud until I get this sorted out! I was adding some Piranha,Tarantula, and Sensi-zym earlier, and have slowly been eliminating products one by one to see where the cause is coming from. I will do some trails maybe on a miniature UC system when I get time to construct one and do the testing to figure out just what AN product is causing my issues. I just hope this tea will get everything in check in a hurry so I can flip, because I am a few weeks behind now due to my re-occurring root issues. Can't wait to praise the big H for getting me back on track with his great tea!(my local dro shop is avidly awaiting my reviews of the Botanicare products I made them order in as well)

After I use up the majority of my base nutes from AN though, it will be time to get the local Dro shop to order me some Dyna in for more trails! I can't see myself utilizing very much of their products other than BB and OD in the future from my overall personal results.
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BigBuddahCheese

BigBuddahCheese

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I had slime to a degree all while using ph perfect sensi line.. I attributed it to too much strength even though I was near 1/4 dosage... Switched to dynagro like your gh and nothing but white as rice now... I don't point fingers neither but...
 
1itsme

1itsme

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I'm on my third grow now doing 2x3 flood and drain table. I've been getting problems with root rot on each grow and cant figure out what I'm doing wrong. started using a variation of the tea recipe my second grow and it seemed to help but not clear the rot/slime. my first grow i chopped and sterilized the res and just started over after trying a few things ( h2o2, bleach, sm90, great white...). second grow i tried hygrozyme which slimed my res and roots really bad then sterilized the roots with h2o2 and used a variation of the tea recipe - ancient forest, aquashield, molasses, brew 2 days then add great white- one gallon on res change (15 gal res) and 1 cup every 3 days. it helped a lot more than anything else I've tried and i was able too keep my plants alive till harvest, but i couldn't get any new root growth just stopped it from getting worse. anyways I'm 2 weeks into my third grow and just noticed that 2 of my plants have root rot again. :wall: I'm still using the tea recipe and trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. the recipe i made was same as posted here but 1.5 gal container so less water... the air stone i have for it seemed too small to do 5 gal at a time so i used a smaller container. I'm wondering if using less water somehow prevented the benni's from eating enough of the molasses, or if there's something else i might be doing wrong with it.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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1itsme said:
I'm on my third grow now doing 2x3 flood and drain table. I've been getting problems with root rot on each grow and cant figure out what I'm doing wrong. started using a variation of the tea recipe my second grow and it seemed to help but not clear the rot/slime. my first grow i chopped and sterilized the res and just started over after trying a few things ( h2o2, bleach, sm90, great white...). second grow i tried hygrozyme which slimed my res and roots really bad then sterilized the roots with h2o2 and used a variation of the tea recipe - ancient forest, aquashield, molasses, brew 2 days then add great white- one gallon on res change (15 gal res) and 1 cup every 3 days. it helped a lot more than anything else I've tried and i was able too keep my plants alive till harvest, but i couldn't get any new root growth just stopped it from getting worse. anyways I'm 2 weeks into my third grow and just noticed that 2 of my plants have root rot again. :wall: I'm still using the tea recipe and trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. the recipe i made was same as posted here but 1.5 gal container so less water... the air stone i have for it seemed too small to do 5 gal at a time so i used a smaller container. I'm wondering if using less water somehow prevented the benni's from eating enough of the molasses, or if there's something else i might be doing wrong with it.
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The smaller the amount of water, the more precise you have to be with ingredients. In small containers the bennies can easily eat too much and outstrip the oxygen. I have had trouble brewing small amounts of tea, I brew at least 2 gallon these days. There should never be any question about having enough bubbles, you should have so much that it can't possibly be an issue.

Generally when we see slime persist with proper res condition and tea treatments, it is due to some sort of organic material making it's way into the res, which is feeding the slime and giving it an edge. Great white actually has a bit of 'food' in it itself, along with some vitamins, so it's best to add it at the beginning with everything else, so that stuff gets consumed in the brew.

GL stick with it, the slime can be beaten.
 
1itsme

1itsme

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ok thnx, i'll try doing a 5 gal but i'm going to need to get another airpump i thnk. thats a good point about the organic material i've been using panty hose to filter the tea and have noticed alot of small particals getting thru. do you thnk a coffee filter would be better? i was under the impression that some of the beneficial fungus might be too large to get thru.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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1itsme said:
ok thnx, i'll try doing a 5 gal but i'm going to need to get another airpump i thnk. thats a good point about the organic material i've been using panty hose to filter the tea and have noticed alot of small particals getting thru. do you thnk a coffee filter would be better? i was under the impression that some of the beneficial fungus might be too large to get thru.
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Yea don't worry about the bits of dirt from the AF. Anything that sits in the brew for 2 days is likely to be broken down by the time you use it, so long as you don't use too much. The organic source is usually something that has been added to the res directly such as PH adjuster, nutes, additives, run off from foliar spray, ect.

Cheesecloth is perfect for filtering tea, and pouring through an aquarium net works well too. Coffee filter is way too small. To be honest though, I stopped filtering my tea about a year ago.
 
1itsme

1itsme

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ok thnx,
started a new batch and got 4 watt airpump (pretty sure if i use 5 gal of water in a bucket it will cover my bathroom floor with foam again so for 3 1/5 gall 4 watts should be ok?). only thing going into my res is ro water, dynagrow grow, a little mag pro, gh ph down, alkaline water or sometimes ph down. maybe neem oil from folier? i had thrips last grow too, so started spraying that but don't thnk it could get in res i have panda cloth over the flood table all the way to the floor so it covers the res too. I'm off to try to find someone who grows flood table so i can figure out what I'm doing wrong with my set up, I'm pretty sure I need to change some stuff with that as i moved 2 of my 6 sickest plants to soil last grow assuming they were dieing, and they recovered right away lol.
thank you for your help I'll let you know how things turn out:shock:.
 
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