Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

Ok. This needs to be done over. ill Just say this. first, if you are going to compare something to something, you need to
do it PROPERLY. Being dialed in with one product, and then just starting to use one and expecting the same or even greater is very silly. 2nd. If dyna gro says to put in this much per liter/gallon what ever, does not mean that is what you put in with connoisseur..They both have there own amounts, so you put in what each bottle says, not what you want. Does not work that way. 3rd, both these products work. Advanced in my words does not work as well in soil. The best by far in aero. a ebb flow type deal, Conn beat out the dyna gro in my test, but i did what each bottle told me to..Connoisseur has 11 chealted nutrients in it, not 3, or the 4 that dyna gro has. Starting out with the wrong amount of base food for your plants in the worst way to start them off.. Im only a med grower for one as well as my wife and i...Kinda want the best for the one i love!! Have used full lines of General hydroponics, house and garden, canna, technaflora, grotek, dutch master gold, a base house line from some store, atami, botainicare,humbolt and Advanced nutrients. Best and yes more expensive= Advanced Nutrients. Have run side
by side with a aeroponics unit, each with 1/10 hp chiller and water temp at 64. Each strain, where and how it is grown is going to make a difference in how the nutrients are going to work. But you HAVE to follow the base amount from the back of each nutrient, not just what you feel is right....And with advanced, about 1/2 strength for most products is good. Way too strong with the 2ml/litre thing. And no need to be dissing us Canadians. We do understand the jealousy, but you should really keep it in..We are always here for you. Even if you say bad things to us. We can take it.

Hello Mr. Three posts. You're trolling, i get it, so I'll bite. But before I start critiquing your critique, I'd like to point out that you have zero journals or pics of your side-by-side comparisons. I guess we'll just take your word for it? Let's get started....

Jaymann005 said:

Being dialed in with one product, and then just starting to use one and expecting the same or even greater is very silly.

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I've run GH and DynaGro at 'dialed in' levels with excellent results. Those same 'dialed in' levels were used in this grow and Connoisseur performed worse than both nutrient brands. I fail to see the silliness in using proper feeding levels across all brands since each is supplying it's own ratios of minerals. Because of the different mineral makeups of each brand, the same levels will never equal the same results.

2nd. If dyna gro says to put in this much per liter/gallon what ever, does not mean that is what you put in with connoisseur..They both have there own amounts, so you put in what each bottle says, not what you want. Does not work that way.

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First of all, recommend schedules are only guidelines. I don't feed my orchids like I feed my tomatoes, nor do I feed my peppers like i feed my arugula. I wasn't using the recommended schedule with GH or DG or Connoisseur. I was feeding at the levels that my strain performs well at. You seem to be confused by this but when I say 'proper feeding levels', this does not mean that I'm using the same mls-per-gallon with each brand across the board. Did you miss the part of this thread where I discussed the concentration levels of DynaGro and Connoisseur? 'Proper feeding levels' are calculated by an Excel spreadsheet and measured by a TDS meter.

3rd, both these products work. Advanced in my words does not work as well in soil. The best by far in aero. a ebb flow type deal, Conn beat out the dyna gro in my test, but i did what each bottle told me to..

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Where is your test? If you're feeding like the backs of the bottles say to, then you have a lot to learn about growing healthy plants.

Connoisseur has 11 chealted nutrients in it, not 3, or the 4 that dyna gro has.

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Connoisseur doesn't even come close to 11 chelated minerals: http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/connoisseur/connoisseur_faq_nutrient_facts.php

Lets just say Connoisseur did contain what you say it does; it still performs poorly compared to its lower-priced competition.

Starting out with the wrong amount of base food for your plants in the worst way to start them off.. Have used full lines of General hydroponics, house and garden, canna, technaflora, grotek, dutch master gold, a base house line from some store, atami, botainicare,humbolt and Advanced nutrients. Best and yes more expensive= Advanced Nutrients.

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Once again, where are these documented tests?

But you HAVE to follow the base amount from the back of each nutrient, not just what you feel is right....

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If you're telling me that a fertilizer company knows my plants better than I do, I just don't know what to say to that. Maybe start in the newbie forum before you try to tackle slightly more advanced concepts like the ones found in this thread?

And with advanced, about 1/2 strength for most products is good. Way too strong with the 2ml/litre thing.

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I'm glad we agree on something. 2mls per litre is 1.6 EC. I was feeding at around 1.2 EC or in terms you can understand: 1.4mls/litre. AN does not have a suggested feeding program on the backs of these Connoisseur bottles, just a chart that goes from 0.42 EC up to 2.85 EC and the measurements that it takes from each bottle to reach said level.

Hey Homebrew, may I ask your opinion on something? What are your thoughts on "lollipopping" a plant? What are your thoughts on pruning the leaves of a very bushy plant to help light reach more parts of the plant? I have a couple 43w cfls and a few 27w cfls around the sides of my plants along with the 400w hps over top, but the plants are so bushy that they seem to be blocking a lot of light.

Whats up HB I appreciate the test you did... I've been growing for 4 years now and have been using Dyna Gro since the beginning. I was ALMOST sold on the AN hype and almost gave it a shot (just wanted to try something else)... but My results with Dyna Gro has pretty much ALWAYS been consistent with what you've shown, Some strains have had even a little better results. And i also use it in Coco, ebb, aero, cloning tray and cloning spray box...To prove how much its works I first used Dyna Gro in MIRACLE GRO! (when i was an inexperienced grower) and still came out with some sick ass colas...I use Floralicous Plus also but i use it as a foliar and use a few humbold additives with my nute mixture... no CO2 and my buds are still bigger and denser then most.... NO CO2!

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Hey Homebrew, may I ask your opinion on something? What are your thoughts on "lollipopping" a plant? What are your thoughts on pruning the leaves of a very bushy plant to help light reach more parts of the plant? I have a couple 43w cfls and a few 27w cfls around the sides of my plants along with the 400w hps over top, but the plants are so bushy that they seem to be blocking a lot of light.

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I don't intentionally 'lollipop' but I do trim some spindly branches from the lower parts of the plant (on some strains). I do it for the following reasons: it helps cut down my trimming time at harvest, it allows air to circulate better under the plants and it's easier to spray my plants with neem or whatever as a preventative measure against mites.

When it comes to bushy plants, I'll never trim leaves off. The only time I ever pull leaves is if they have mites or eggs or an issue that will affect the rest of the plant. My goal is lots of green, healthy leaves and I try my best to keep them like that until harvest.

Jaymann005 said:

Ok. This needs to be done over. ill Just say this. first, if you are going to compare something to something, you need to
do it PROPERLY. Being dialed in with one product, and then just starting to use one and expecting the same or even greater is very silly. 2nd. If dyna gro says to put in this much per liter/gallon what ever, does not mean that is what you put in with connoisseur..They both have there own amounts, so you put in what each bottle says, not what you want. Does not work that way. 3rd, both these products work. Advanced in my words does not work as well in soil. The best by far in aero. a ebb flow type deal, Conn beat out the dyna gro in my test, but i did what each bottle told me to..Connoisseur has 11 chealted nutrients in it, not 3, or the 4 that dyna gro has. Starting out with the wrong amount of base food for your plants in the worst way to start them off.. Im only a med grower for one as well as my wife and i...Kinda want the best for the one i love!! Have used full lines of General hydroponics, house and garden, canna, technaflora, grotek, dutch master gold, a base house line from some store, atami, botainicare,humbolt and Advanced nutrients. Best and yes more expensive= Advanced Nutrients. Have run side
by side with a aeroponics unit, each with 1/10 hp chiller and water temp at 64. Each strain, where and how it is grown is going to make a difference in how the nutrients are going to work. But you HAVE to follow the base amount from the back of each nutrient, not just what you feel is right....And with advanced, about 1/2 strength for most products is good. Way too strong with the 2ml/litre thing. And no need to be dissing us Canadians. We do understand the jealousy, but you should really keep it in..We are always here for you. Even if you say bad things to us. We can take it.

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ok if you did what every nute line told you to feed or follow their schedule to the letter you would have a lot of fucked up plants bro. i have used 80% of nute lines out there, and NOT ONE have i ever been able to follow their directions EVER. for example House and Garden, which i use currently, and i prefer. If i followed their guidelines to the letter i would be feeding in the 3.0EC level during late veg and flower. any experienced grower knows that is just plain retarded. BUT just to see i followed their feed schedule to the letter on one grow. low and behold my yield suffered dramatically due to stumped growth on the half of my plants that was on that schedule, where as the ones on a sane schedule running at 1.2-1.4 ec TOPS yielded my usual 1.5lb per 1kwatts

View attachment 1735962i grew this wonderful lady using DG

It still begs the question why on earth every single nute company recommends to overfeed. I understand their desire to get you to use up the product quicker- but if your plants all die and you say screw growing or at least hydro for good, all they did was lose customers. I'd think a smarter company would come out, recommend a light and proper feeding schedule- and claim it's because their nutes are superior and you need less- it must be the next gimmick due out soon?

what brand of light and bulb do you use homebrewer?

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It still begs the question why on earth every single nute company recommends to overfeed. I understand their desire to get you to use up the product quicker- but if your plants all die and you say screw growing or at least hydro for good, all they did was lose customers. I'd think a smarter company would come out, recommend a light and proper feeding schedule- and claim it's because their nutes are superior and you need less- it must be the next gimmick due out soon?

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its here i am testing it. Aptus its b ig in holland 1ml per gallon pretty much everything.

coonword said:

what brand of light and bulb do you use homebrewer?

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I've tried many different brands and settled on hortilux bulbs years ago.

Sooo. I see what i can sometimes do after i have one of my massive just over 4 min epileptic seizures... Im guessing i
wanted to pick a fight or something, because that post was really silly(stupid) of me to say the least... At least i am
now going to the computer and typing, and not going to the next door neighbours and telling them to fuck off. As i
have done twice in 7 months...So.. First off have to say i feel like an idiot with that post. One would expect a bit more
class, and smarts from someone with more then a decade of tinkering. So Homebrewer, i must say sorry about that.
Can tell you it will not happen again, as i have changed my password and will not know it till i have my brain back.

Wish i could tell you have stupid i feel. Have been told some stories about how i react to me and my fish out of
water actions, but this was a bit different on my part. Looking at what i wrote i felt like about 10 years old.

Either way, hope you can understand, if not, i do.

Cheers. Egor...

Looking again at my retarded post, i can see i was right on 2 of the 4587 things i bitched about though.. One, yes
no matter what nutrient anyone is using, you start at about 1/2 of what it says to on the back of the bottle...Much
easier to add more then to take out.. And the other thing was the chelated amounts in Connoisseur. Have both the PH
perfect one and the old same one as you did this test with... On the bottle of the old ones, this is the list. Part A.
Calcium chelate,Magnesium chelate, potassium chelate,Boron chelate,iron chelate,zinc chelate,manganese chelate,
copper chelate, cobalt chelate. Part B. Magnesium chelate, pottassium chelate. On the new PH perfect. The back of
the bottles say...Part A. Magnesium chelate,iron chelate,manganese chelate,nitrogen chelate,zinc chelate,boron chelate,
copper chelate, molybdenum chelate, cobalt chelate and calcium chelate. Part B.. Potassium chelate and nitrogen chelate.

Have both older and the newer version and thats what the back says.. Take a pic of the sides of the bottle. i would
but have no camera..

Cheers.

Who doesn't have a digital camera in 2011 and post in forums? Seriously... I'm fucking serious... who? Even a phone nowadays is more than enough for forum pictures. People still have rotaries?

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Looking again at my retarded post, i can see i was right on 2 of the 4587 things i bitched about though.. One, yes
no matter what nutrient anyone is using, you start at about 1/2 of what it says to on the back of the bottle...Much
easier to add more then to take out..

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Half strength is a good guess but at the end of the day, that's all it is. Why guess when you can use a TDS meter? Those meters take the guess work out of feeding and eliminate those unwanted early surprises.

And the other thing was the chelated amounts in Connoisseur. Have both the PH
perfect one and the old same one as you did this test with... On the bottle of the old ones, this is the list. Part A.
Calcium chelate,Magnesium chelate, potassium chelate,Boron chelate,iron chelate,zinc chelate,manganese chelate,
copper chelate, cobalt chelate. Part B. Magnesium chelate, pottassium chelate. On the new PH perfect. The back of
the bottles say...Part A. Magnesium chelate,iron chelate,manganese chelate,nitrogen chelate,zinc chelate,boron chelate,
copper chelate, molybdenum chelate, cobalt chelate and calcium chelate. Part B.. Potassium chelate and nitrogen chelate.

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This is what my bottles say; 3 chealated minerals. A chelate is simply an organic molecule that “wraps” itself around a metal ion and prevents its precipitation, increasing its solubility. Whether were talking about 4 minerals or 11 being chelated, I don't have an issue with minerals becoming unavailable to my plants when using DynaGro.

Ahhhh...Do not have a cell phone either.... And yes, also own a cabin with 2 rotaries in there.... Going to borrow someones
camera.... Conn part A for me, and am now starting to believe people in Canada get a different batch then people
in the u s of a.... Part A 4.9-0-3.6 Part B 1.8-5.1-6.4...... You have the ingredents on the rear of your bottle, mine
are on the side of it.. So now guessing we are both right, just depends on where you live and what day the bottle was made... Strange though having the old one and new one, and yet they both say the same up here....Hmmmm.

Jaymann005 said:

Ahhhh...Do not have a cell phone either.... And yes, also own a cabin with 2 rotaries in there.... Going to borrow someones
camera.... Conn part A for me, and am now starting to believe people in Canada get a different batch then people
in the u s of a.... Part A 4.9-0-3.6 Part B 1.8-5.1-6.4...... You have the ingredents on the rear of your bottle, mine
are on the side of it.. So now guessing we are both right, just depends on where you live and what day the bottle was made... Strange though having the old one and new one, and yet they both say the same up here....Hmmmm.

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about a year ago AN had to relabel all their bottles, due to false garunteed analysis lol. anyway one of you probably has the newer label and other the older ones. another reason AN is terrible in my opinion

Proof Jamann is a troll, pathetic fuck is trolling my inbox now ^_^

First person to hit my ignore list.

Can you explain what a troll is masterS? I've noticed you have used that terminology in almost every thread I see you in. Ha ha

Bird Gymnastics said:

Can you explain what a troll is masterS? I've noticed you have used that terminology in almost every thread I see you in. Ha ha

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The "trollface" sometimes used to indicate trolling.[1]
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted". While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context. For example, mass media uses troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[5][6]