Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

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hellraizer30 said:

It sucks dude! -25 aint nothing to mess with! Im looking into back up gennys to provent this from ever taking place
Again.

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Yeah, it's been pretty mild around here lately, but a few years back it hit something like -45 and you could literally throw water in the air and it would freeze before it hit the ground. Don't even want to think what would happen if the power went out...

ok so after reading im very convinced in dyna gro! im growing in foxfarms soil and need to know which dyna gro nutes to get?

grow bloom protekt mag pro

Heres what I have:

5 gallon dwc. forgot to ppm check it, but it should be 28-40 ppm

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5 gallons water
12.3ml protekt - 105
20ml bloom - 385
5ml grow - 487
40ml an bud candy - 543
15 ml hydro-rush - 816 ppm's

PH- 6.0


24 hrs later - PPM 874 ph 6.5

So, i guess i was wondering what that means? did it only drink water and not feed? i was going to add a gallon of ph 5.8 to it. should i or what. kind of my first full run with a dwc, so still learning.
my temps have been fluctuating quite a bit lately, weather is all screwy this year.
And before this the plant was run on the sample pack of xnutrients, but they didnt send enough to finish.

It means your feeding too much stuff, too high ppm and too high ph.

ok. before this res change, i was using the xnutrients at the rec levels, my final PPM's were up around 1500. I expected the overall PPM to be lower with DG.
there is no signs of nute burn. I added the gallon of water, it dropped the PPM to like 776. ph is still a little high at 6.4


so your saying i should drop the PPM? After I added it in, i did think maybe that was to much BudCandy, but once in its in.. and 2ml per liter, is wut it is.

I found that if you used the DG recommended dose, it would be way high from my plant. I ended up using between 1/3 and 1/2 the recommended dose.

If you check your PPM daily, they will either be the same as the previous day, higher or lower.

If they are the same, then your concentration levels are good.

If they are lower, then you can increase them.

If they are higher, then you have too many nutes and you should cut back on the levels.

Hope this helps.

unohu69 said:

ok. before this res change, i was using the xnutrients at the rec levels, my final PPM's were up around 1500. I expected the overall PPM to be lower with DG.
there is no signs of nute burn. I added the gallon of water, it dropped the PPM to like 776. ph is still a little high at 6.4


so your saying i should drop the PPM? After I added it in, i did think maybe that was to much BudCandy, but once in its in.. and 2ml per liter, is wut it is.

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Your ppms seem really high imo. I don't know what half that stuff is though.

Well I feel like I know more about hydro now...so that is good...it is what i started with...FAIL!!!..

I agree the DG hydro recommended levels are way to high. I found the Soil numbers are much closer to the measurements i just natural got to from my own experiments. So I wanted to try them as they were, I will back down to my normal levels. i seem to run about 450-550 PPM naturally. like I said the bud candy, and hydro rush might have been a little much.

the hydro rush adds somewhere around 273 PPM, i dont even know what it consists of, but my res does stay pretty clean.


Can I just add ph down right in the res? i didnt know if it would create a "hot spot" or anything like that.

burrr said:

I dropped my EC down a little more on my last res change. I'm at .8 EC, using RO water and per gallon: 5ml protek, 6ml bloom, 2ml magpro. My ppm went from 388 to 400 in 24 hours, but my girls drank huge amounts of water. 50% more water usage than most days. I believe my girls like a light diet of nutes. My fan leaves are showing no deficiencies, and the bud leaves still have a little curl on a few of them. I bet I could go through bloom at 420ppm, and grow happy girls.

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I have one strain that tries to stroke out at 200 ppm...lol. I just sorta rub the bottle and then touch the plant...seems to take care of all nutritional needs....actually they do the best if I feed them plain water throughout...less yellowing if I give them my tap water at the right pH...it's so hard when all the plants around them get nutes....to not nute those ones...I they are easily recognizable, but still every once in awhile I am like well just a little nutes for this one...but no! None!...lol. I'll throw in between 3-4 individual pellets of peruvian seabird guano...through it's whole life without bad effects...but anything more and it goes downhill...

so in soiless mix sunshine #4 with gro is 1/2 tsp/gal enough for veg or should I up it? and what about foliage pro how would you feed with this? should I add calcium magnesium or is the mag pro all i need?

dickkhead said:

so in soiless mix sunshine #4 with gro is 1/2 tsp/gal enough for veg or should I up it? and what about foliage pro how would you feed with this? should I add calcium magnesium or is the mag pro all i need?

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With RO in promix, I feed less than 1/2 tsp/gallon of grow during veg. If I were using foliage pro, I'd feed the same I suppose. Calmag is not needed and I don't use magpro in the dirt.

homebrewer said:

With RO in promix, I feed less than 1/2 tsp/gallon of grow during veg. If I were using foliage pro, I'd feed the same I suppose. Calmag is not needed and I don't use magpro in the dirt.

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ok do you use mag pro with the soiless mix? crazy how lil nutes you use my plants are thriving with dyna gro thanks for saving my ass back when I almost bought AN!!

dickkhead said:

ok do you use mag pro with the soiless mix? crazy how lil nutes you use my plants are thriving with dyna gro thanks for saving my ass back when I almost bought AN!!

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If by soiless mix you mean dirt (promix/sunshine mix), the answer is no. I do use magpro in hydro as I found that the magnesium is kind of needed. My RO machine fell and broke not so long ago, went a few months just using my hard tap water which has only about 4ppm of magnesium. My tap water didn't leave a lot of room for magpro so when I wasn't using magpro in hydro, I would get a slight spotting after a few weeks.

homebrewer said:

If by soiless mix you mean dirt (promix/sunshine mix), the answer is no. I do use magpro in hydro as I found that the magnesium is kind of needed. My RO machine fell and broke not so long ago, went a few months just using my hard tap water which has only about 4ppm of magnesium. My tap water didn't leave a lot of room for magpro so when I wasn't using magpro in hydro, I would get a slight spotting after a few weeks.

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yea Im talking about straight sunshine mix in 5 gallon buckets is what im running. wasnt sure if mag pro in flower was necasarry! thanks HB

homebrewer said:

I’d highly recommend DynaGro for beginners. Just make sure you have a pH pen and a TDS meter then hit me up for a suggested feeding schedule for dirt or hydro. DG’s nutes will fry plants at ‘normal doses’ because their highly concentrated so that’s the only thing I’d tell growers to watch out for.
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I tried to PM you, but it's not wanting to work for me. Could I get your suggested feeding schedule for dirt...(I guess sunshine mix and pearlite) It's only for 2 plants and using tap water. (I've got all 4 nutrients from dyna-gro) I'm guessing from the post above that I won't be needing to use magpro since I'm using tap water?

Really enjoying your posts and learning a lot from a veteran of 11 years. Thanks for your help.

Any additional "secret tips" would be very much appreciated.

alienrain said:

I tried to PM you, but it's not wanting to work for me. Could I get your suggested feeding schedule for dirt...(I guess sunshine mix and pearlite) It's only for 2 plants and using tap water. (I've got all 4 nutrients from dyna-gro) I'm guessing from the post above that I won't be needing to use magpro since I'm using tap water?

Really enjoying your posts and learning a lot from a veteran of 11 years. Thanks for your help.

Any additional "secret tips" would be very much appreciated.

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I'm not finding that I need magpro in the dirt. As far as feedings go, just do what works best for you. A couple mls per gallon of base in veg should be enough (add protekt first and use enough where the addition of your base brings your pH into the idea range). Maybe double those rates for flower? I'd love to just give you the numbers that work for me but one; that wont teach you anything and two; that may or may not work with your strains, plant size or your environment. Read the plant. If it's green top to bottom and healthy, think about feeding just tap water or a really light plant food mix. I think at a minimum, you should be feeding your plants once per week. See how that works, take notes, and don't be afraid to use grow in flower.

Thanks for the tips HB. I'm a total noob and have to admit the flashy bottles of AN were getting me thinking I was going to have to spend a ton of money on nutes.

I'm using an LED which said I won't have to water as much and use less nutes because it doesn't get hot enough to evaporate as quickly.

So it's important to add protekt first to the water and then the other nutes to bring the ph to the desired level of 6.5-6.7? And then from there just watch the plant and see if it needs more or less?

Also should the schedule just switch off with feed, water, feed, water?

Thanks again...I'm glad I'm doing my research first.