ebb and flo helped me

Eharmony420

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i was having some ebb and flo fun yesterday, i found this!



[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Simple ebb and flow system[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Building an Ebb and Flow System
An ebb and flow system is one of the easiest hydroponic systems to build yourself. All of the parts needed can be found locally to you, if you cannot find them we can supply you with ebb and flow trays, NFT channels, hydroponic pumps, fill and drain kits, etc. The Ebb and Flow system is one of the most popular hydroponic methods for its simplicity and ease of use. It basically works like this: A reservoir containing nutrient solution is located below a growing tray. The tray contains the plants that are in containers filled with growing medium such as rockwool, grow rocks, perlite/vermiculite mix, or coconut fiber.The growing bed is flooded periodically by a small pump on a timer to feed and water the plants. The timer then shuts the pump off and the nutrient solution drains freely back into the reservoir drawing oxygen into the root zone. An overflow drain is installed to adjust the nutrient fill height and to ensure the system does not overflow.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Following is a list of parts that are needed to build an ebb and flow system: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

Ebb and flow tray

Almost any container may be used that will hold the weight of your plants, growing medium, and nutrient solution. It is preferable to use plastic trays, though trays can also be wood or metal that has been covered with heavy plastic. Trays should not allow light through. Make sure that the tray can drain completely and does not have pools of water, or else you could have problems with root rot (pythium).

Support Structure
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A support structure is used when the ebb and flow tray cannot be supported by the reservoir. The ebb and flow tray than sits on top of the support structure which is placed over the reservoir. Support structures can be made from tables, milk crates, sawhorses etc.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reservoir
Rubbermaid containers, Tucker Totes, plastic trash cans, etc. can all be used as reservoirs. Make sure that the container is clean, blocks light (if you let light into the reservoir you will have a lot of algae growth), and is corrosion resistant. Do not use metal containers without a plastic liner, they will oxidize and could cause nutrient problems.

Pump

Aquarium powerhead pumps can be used, usually at least 500 litres per hour is recommended.

Fill and drain fittings
We sell an ebb and flow drain/ fill kit that can be used most of the time, otherwise you can make your own. Most ebb and flow systems will flow back through the fill fitting, using it as the main drain. Another drain will be set up as a adjustment standpipe/overflow, allowing you to adjust the water level in the tray by adjusting the height of the standpipe. Make sure that the overflow drain will drain as much water as the pump will output. An overflow drain is important to ensure that you do not have a flood in your growing area!

Flexible Tubing
You will need flexible tubing to connect the pump to the ebb and flow tray. Do not use clear tubing or you could have clogging from algae growth..

Plant containers
Plastic nursery pots are the best, but almost any plastic plant pot will do. Make sure that there are hole in the bottom of the pots so that they can fill and drain.

Growing Medium
LECA growing medium, rockwool coconut fiber, or a 50/50 perlite/ vermiculite mix. If a perlite/vermiculite mix is used, make sure to use non- metallic screening in the bottoms of the containers to keep perlite form leaking out and clogging the system.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Timer
Any good 24 hour timer with multiple adjustable 1/2 hour or 15 minute duration periods
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Putting the system together:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Install the overflow drain and the fill fitting into the ebb and flow tray[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Setup the support structure (if needed) and place the reservoir underneath[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Place the pump into the reservoir [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Put the tray on top of the support structure, positioning overflow drain so that it flows back into the reservoir.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Connect the pump to the fill fitting on the tray with flexible tubing[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Connect pump to timer[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Make sure that overflow drain drains back into reservoir![/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]All you need to do now is put the plants into the system and fill the reservoir with nutrients[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Running an ebb and flow system
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Make sure that the tray will flood as high up on the pots as you need it too. Depending on the size of the pot and the growing media, this is generally 1/3 -1/2 of the way up the side of the pot. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The tray must drain completely and have no puddles left after flood cycles, otherwise problems with pythium could happen. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You must have an overflow drain so that if the main drain becomes plugged the system will not overflow the tray and flood the growing area.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Flood the tray 2-5 times a day, depending on size of the plant. Each flood cycle should run at least 30% more nutrient through the growing media than the media will absorb to provide a leaching effect. This means if the tray will hold 10 gallons of nutrients filled with plants, you want 13 gallons of water to flow through each flood cycle. This prevents salt buildups in the growing medium which could harm your plants. Flood cycles should not run for more than 30 minutes duration, otherwise you could damage the roots.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Change the nutrient solution every two weeks or adjust it according to tds and pH. When topping off nutrient solution in the reservoir, use 1-4 to 1/2 strength nutrient solution. Make sure to check pH levels and TDS levels regularly to maintain optimal growth.[/FONT]


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GypsyBush

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WOW !!!!

COOL POST !!!

Thanks for taking the time... too bad no one else even acknowledged it... oh well, I enjoyed it!!!:-P
 

codwalop

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interesting reading! does flowing the water back through the pump (when its off), affect the pump in any way?

and do clay rocks float?

regards
 

Dirty Harry

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interesting reading! does flowing the water back through the pump (when its off), affect the pump in any way?

and do clay rocks float?

regards
No, the fountain pumps used for this are made to allow water to flow back.
Some of the clay pellets will float if things over fill. You want the over flow line just under the level that a lot of pellets will start to float.

The picture is exactly correct and shows how simple the ebb & flow really is.
 

GypsyBush

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and do clay rocks float?
They will float until they soak... once they absorb enough water the pellets will sink...

Careful not to let them back flow into your pump, that could cause some trouble...

ebb and flow. 6 weeks. :fire:
Thanks again for posting... I switched from DWC about 2 weeks ago and I am loving it...!!

How many times a day do you flood? for how long?

I am flooding every hour for 10 minutes (rapid rooters plugs and hydroton)

Cheers! :-P
 

Eharmony420

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I am using 4 in rockwool blocks with mini cubes making up the diference in 5.25 sqaure turbogarden pots. I use a botanicare 3x3 table. It is resting on a card table and using an 18 gallon rubbermaid as a res.

I flood 11 gallons 1 inch or so up the side of the pots.

During veg I flooded every few days.

During flower I flood once a night.

The hard part of rockwool is the presoak. After you soak them they are all wet. They did not get flood wet. They take forever to dry out so you can start your flooding right. Weeks if wrapped. SO it takes a while to get the flood cycles timed corectly. dont know if that made sense. but once you do it is easy as hell.

I use rockwool becuase at first i used hydroton and one night my pump got clogged or disjointed and shut off. I almost lost everything but i on an odd whim checked before i left for work. Wow, that was lucky.

Also rockwool is amazing stuff. I read the grodan website. massive stuuf to find. like big cubes hold more air.

I envy a fast feed system. I had one in a 2 liter bottle 11 plant setup ans it worked awesome. But this way i can move the plants around.

hard to overwater nad kill your plants in rockwool. but easy to overwater and slow growth. like i was not sure if i had flood cycles right. so i let a few days go by. wow, was i impressed by the massive growth.

i love ebb and flow. I would ill for a botanicare stand sand a botanicare reservoir. It is unnecary but they make such hi quailtiy stuff.

before this i also used a home dept mortar tray for like 4 bucks. still got it. use it for sisters (mothers) i think. use my 2 liter for basil to grow on my balcony to cover up weed and make my eggs and pasta awesome.
(for the senoritas):)
 

GypsyBush

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I am using 4 in rockwool blocks with mini cubes making up the diference in 5.25 sqaure turbogarden pots.
Not sure what mini cubes are... I'll have to investigate...

I use a botanicare 3x3 table. It is resting on a card table and using an 18 gallon rubbermaid as a res.
3x3 ... how many plants do fit in it? and what style do you go for in your ladies?

I mean, do you bush them out or are they single colas.. or ???

Have you ever had a rubbermaid tote give out on you? I am so scared of all that water just .. uh .. departing the container...lol... but I guess that is Hydro for us... lol...

I flood 11 gallons 1 inch or so up the side of the pots.
WOW...!!! 1"..?!?! I guess the mini cubes and RW make up for it...:o

I flood pretty much as high as the overflow will allow... but I am using hydroton, which does not wick very well...

During veg I flooded every few days.
Really?!?! only every few days???? Again, must be the RW...

During flower I flood once a night.
I have heard from all of my "mentors" here (read Al B. Fuct, Potroast, NewGrowth and a few others) that flooding should ONLY occur with the lights on...

I will look again for the specific reasons, but if I remember correctly it had something to do with mold... cold wet... white powdery mildew...

I'll look into it and chime back...:-P

The hard part of rockwool is the presoak. After you soak them they are all wet. They did not get flood wet. They take forever to dry out so you can start your flooding right. Weeks if wrapped. SO it takes a while to get the flood cycles timed corectly. dont know if that made sense. but once you do it is easy as hell.
Al B. Fuct recommends using a salad spinner to remove the excess water from the RW...

You can shake the water out as well, but you will get tennis elbow after a while... lol...:shock:

NEVER CRUSH THE CUBE... RW is good because it can retain large amounts of both water AND air.... if you squeeze it, there is no room for the air anymore... and the plants may drown....

THE RW CUBES SHOULD NEVER EVER BE WET...

A properly DAMP cube will NOT fling out water when shaken...

I hope this will help you get the ball rolling a little faster...

Here are 3 threads that I recommend everyone doing hydro read...

Al has a lot of experience in and out of the growroom... I have a lot of respect for his words...

Get a harvest every 2 weeks

A batch of clones in rockwool

Al B. FAQt

I hope you have patience for the 4.000+ posts, but they are worth every second you spend...

and you can just scroll down to Al's answers, because he quotes everyone's questions before answering.... cool cat....



I use rockwool becuase at first i used hydroton and one night my pump got clogged or disjointed and shut off. I almost lost everything but i on an odd whim checked before i left for work. Wow, that was lucky.
I hear you... equipment failure sucks...

I try to keep the drains protected for that reason... but you never know when a gremlin is going to lift that screen and throw a pellet in the pump...:wall:

Also rockwool is amazing stuff. I read the grodan website. massive stuuf to find. like big cubes hold more air.
Well, yes.. but I wonder if my pot of hydroton (clay pellets) isn't just as full of air...

I don't like RW because I like flooding as often as practical.... left over mentality from the DWC...lol...:-P


I envy a fast feed system. I had one in a 2 liter bottle 11 plant setup ans it worked awesome. But this way i can move the plants around.
Not sure what you mean by a fast feed system...

Can you elaborate?

hard to overwater nad kill your plants in rockwool. but easy to overwater and slow growth. like i was not sure if i had flood cycles right. so i let a few days go by. wow, was i impressed by the massive growth.
That is one of the biggest reasons I do not like RW... too easy to over water... and stunt growth... cause root rot... stem rot....

I guess I just like the sound of water way too much to only run it once a day... hahahaha....

i love ebb and flow. I would ill for a botanicare stand sand a botanicare reservoir. It is unnecary but they make such hi quailtiy stuff.
Quality is irreplaceable....and when stuff is designed to work together... it just works so much better and smoother....

before this i also used a home dept mortar tray for like 4 bucks. still got it. use it for sisters (mothers) i think. use my 2 liter for basil to grow on my balcony to cover up weed and make my eggs and pasta awesome.
(for the senoritas):)
Nice... I use my old hydro stuff for food too...lol....:-P

I jave 2 kinds of Lettuce, Thyme, Basil, Sunflowers, Watermelons, Cantaloupes, Tomatoes and Arugula... all in the weaker light surrounding the table... where I don't grow the main course...lol...

Cheers... catch you later....

Happy Monday...!!!:wall:
 

brontobrandon1

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damm eharmony what strain is that??? that looks fuckinn awesome..

i use ebb and flow and i love it and will never switch most plants per sq foot if u do SOG. u cant go wrong with a qp every foot:weed::weed:


late
 

Eharmony420

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Thanks for the interest guys,

ok, i will try an answer everything.

Ok mini cubes are a product by B'cuzz. i think grodan makes them too. Bcuzz is cheaper. They are .25 by .25 inchs square. mini rockwool cubes. I use them to pack around the 4 in block. The pots are 5 inchs.

I lst the plants. It works awesome. I am medical so I gonna stay 5 in flower and 2 mothers. I think, I am just getting set up. I got a bad female to male ratio this time. I went for 12 seeds and got 3 females. To make matters worse 2 of my females were a couple of bunks that I dropped in a flower nute on accident whne they were kids. They got badly mutated and burned. I was lucky kept them. They got some bud tough, I hope at least a ounce. One however I love and was my favorite in veg too. Lstd to the max. Awesome, Hard to belive lsting could be so succesful. The bottom branch colas are alomost as big as the main cola!

I am worried of the rubbermaid giving out. It is 18 gallon and I only fill up 12 gallons. I have to manually feed my plants still. The system is still in its infancy and she needs manual pluggin in the pump. The timer only hits 15 minut intervals and 3-5 monutes is all I need. I could probably flood 18 gallons until the overflow gets used. But i dont need that much. I only need 1 inch up the side for the rockwool to wick it all up. Very handy. Victor vicous uses rubbermaids but he makes wooden crates to stabilsie them.

I only feed Once at lights on. Sorry I wrote that wrong. I go lights on at real night. OOPS.

By fast feed i mean I mean fast drain :clap: what you got. Very cool and much healthier. I chose rockwool for certain reasons. I cannnot afford equipment failure. Also while I am legal I dont know if the apt manager is cool and dont ant to risk it so i can move these plants easier. TI was in hydroton for a month or so. It was the 11 plant 2 liter bottle system. I flooded 15 minutes every 2 hours during lights on and 2 times during lights out or the plants wilted. They were only a month old that might be why. My medium was recycled tire mulch. That system can be adapted better for weed and would work way better for clones. With seeds weeding out males is hard. I am never gonna buy unfemnised seeds again.:hug::spew:
Yes I could only feed every few nights or every other night at first but I started with wet cubes which plagued my veg. Getting 4 in rockwool cubes dry is hard. I would need a restaurant sized sald spinner. They are huge. In flower I had to start feeding every day at lights on or they wilt.

Never crush is correct. They always hold at least 16-20 percent air I believe. The larger the cube the more air it can hold. Big CUbes hold more air then mini cubes.

I dont have to worry about equipment is good for me. It is like soil almost.


Lets see did I get everything. Oh yeah, the ladies. That is northern lights form marijuan seeds nl. The site with the girl over the banner and the awesome prices. I started flushing at week 6. 2. So I got 2 weeks left. This is my first time getting a crop this far so I ope that is right.

I fed with gh 3part using 24 tapwater and gh hardwater micro. Also I used h202 but switched to HYdroguard instead becasue it is organic. That is because Bloombastic is organic with enzymes. That is a floer enhancer. Also I used Kool bloom. Bloombastic and kool bloom rocked. If you get one I would say bloombastic. Hard to burn and awesome results.

I now have an ro machine. 24 hour tapwater is crazy to use with all the crap in water. It was killing my seedling I beleive. I know AL b FUCt sya it is ok but I was having problems and Earl, whos widow cindy I am growing swears by it. I do to now. FOr 80 buvks I got a portable system on ebay wth 4 stage di filtration.

Also for my grow I recently purchased a ozone generator and am loving it. Al uses one of those lol.

I have read all of those threads and made me inlove with ebb and flow. :weed:

Glad I picked that.very easy nice to see other ebb and floers.:fire:


Next run I should have a mix of northern lights clones and widow cindy seeds. I cant wait.
 

brontobrandon1

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dam dude explained everylittle thing haha +rep for u bro..

ya dude my first time at ebb and flow was just so successful im just in love.

i had no ppm meter just what i thought was right and wow 8 plants i got almost a 1 pound it was insane. Aurora B (flying dutchman) this is the bud i swear by is one of the best buds ive ever smoked, and ive smoked alllot of buds from the med shops.

looks like ur grow will be perfect and i bet its gonna taste soooo good since the flush will be a nice 2 weeks or more

late bro
 

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