Electrical Ques. If I can help someone I will...

ok.so again........my house is wired on 12 guage wire.....(the yellow insulated that says 12-2 on the insulation).....can i switch out a 15a breaker for a 20a breaker....no disrespect gg..but if you are not an electrician..you should not be given out electrical advice....and im not trying to run 2 1000w setups....im actually only going to be pulling 11-12a.....i just dont want to over load.....and bigbudballs is right....the breaker will pop before any fire starts....

nickfury510 said:

ok.so again........my house is wired on 12 guage wire.....(the yellow insulated that says 12-2 on the insulation).....can i switch out a 15a breaker for a 20a breaker....no disrespect gg..but if you are not an electrician..you should not be given out electrical advice....and im not trying to run 2 1000w setups....im actually only going to be pulling 11-12a.....i just dont want to over load.....and bigbudballs is right....the breaker will pop before any fire starts....

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No GG *is* right. It needs to be wired correctly. Tripped breakers deliver ZERO light.

As to the 11-12 amps on the 15A outlet. you gotta see what else is on that breaker.

In rush current vs running currents are different. and different for inductive vs resistive loads.

Turn off the breaker and test every outlet and wall switch for every adjacent rooms.

Putting in a 20A breaker in a 15A wiring is violation of NEC code. (and your house insurance won't cover it)

BigBudBalls said:

No GG *is* right. It needs to be wired correctly. Tripped breakers deliver ZERO light.

As to the 11-12 amps on the 15A outlet. you gotta see what else is on that breaker.

In rush current vs running currents are different. and different for inductive vs resistive loads.

Turn off the breaker and test every outlet and wall switch for every adjacent rooms.

Putting in a 20A breaker in a 15A wiring is violation of NEC code. (and your house insurance won't cover it)

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im sorry..i just cant take electrical advice from someone who is on another thread asking electrical questions...sorry but my common sense wont allow it....

ive locked down the circuit i want to use...like i said...i will ony be pulling about 11-12a....im building a small closet grow running 2 150w hps...1 s&p 150 rated at 290cfm. and a couple small fans.....i just want to have a little leg room for adding if i need to

please explain rush-v- current and inductive -v- restrictive.

thats what im saying....i have a 15a breaker that has 12-2 yellow insulated wiring running to it...so running 20a from 12g should be ok....no

In rush vs running current. Think abot it like a car. you use a lot more gas to go 1/2 mile from a red light then 1/2 mile while running at 50mph.

The turn on can take a lot of instant current. Have you seen fast blow and slow blow fuses? The slow blow are there for items that need a little extra humph to start up.

A resistive load would be say a standard light bulb. Just a thin wire in, all honesty, a short.

An inductive load is more like a motor where you need to create a magnetic field and induct that energy into another coil.

A HPS/MH ballast/light can be a merger of the two, but most likely are seen by the house wiring as inductive.

Oh Damn!!! 2 150W HPS and a few other items? Don't sweat it, roll.
I have the same set up on a standard outlet with *zero* probs.
(I've even grabbed single conductor wires to see if they are getting warm. Nice and cool) I don't think you are pulling that much.

Think about it, the 2 150's are pulling about 330W. The fan? 40-80W. You can plug in a 1500W hair drier no prob, can't ya?

nickfury510 said:

im sorry..i just cant take electrical advice from someone who is on another thread asking electrical questions...sorry but my common sense wont allow it....

ive locked down the circuit i want to use...like i said...i will ony be pulling about 11-12a....im building a small closet grow running 2 150w hps...1 s&p 150 rated at 290cfm. and a couple small fans.....i just want to have a little leg room for adding if i need to

please explain rush-v- current and inductive -v- restrictive.

thats what im saying....i have a 15a breaker that has 12-2 yellow insulated wiring running to it...so running 20a from 12g should be ok....no

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BigBudBalls said:

In rush vs running current. Think abot it like a car. you use a lot more gas to go 1/2 mile from a red light then 1/2 mile while running at 50mph.

The turn on can take a lot of instant current. Have you seen fast blow and slow blow fuses? The slow blow are there for items that need a little extra humph to start up.

A resistive load would be say a standard light bulb. Just a thin wire in, all honesty, a short.

An inductive load is more like a motor where you need to create a magnetic field and induct that energy into another coil.

A HPS/MH ballast/light can be a merger of the two, but most likely are seen by the house wiring as inductive.

Oh Damn!!! 2 150W HPS and a few other items? Don't sweat it, roll.
I have the same set up on a standard outlet with *zero* probs.
(I've even grabbed single conductor wires to see if they are getting warm. Nice and cool) I don't think you are pulling that much.

Think about it, the 2 150's are pulling about 330W. The fan? 40-80W. You can plug in a 1500W hair drier no prob, can't ya?

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lol......yeah a hair dryer is no problem....the only thing that worried me was the vent fan....i cant find anything that will give me the amp rating for it...im just being overly cautious...the fucked up thing is im in the building trades and hold ca.licenses in specific trades....i just never picked up electrical...its fuckin lame because my dad is an awesome electritian and its my fuckin kryptonite...i can build almost anything and plumb it and water/wheatherproof it....i just cant fuckin wire it....



also..great explanation of the currents and loads...+rep

If the fan has a watt rating, just divide the watts by the volts.

Wiring tough? Nah its easy. Gotta think of it like water. Need and in and out. Restrict the out and flow goes down. but also need a pipe strong enough to handle the pressure

Volts is pressure amps is volume

nickfury510 said:

lol......yeah a hair dryer is no problem....the only thing that worried me was the vent fan....i cant find anything that will give me the amp rating for it...im just being overly cautious...the fucked up thing is im in the building trades and hold ca.licenses in specific trades....i just never picked up electrical...its fuckin lame because my dad is an awesome electritian and its my fuckin kryptonite...i can build almost anything and plumb it and water/wheatherproof it....i just cant fuckin wire it....



also..great explanation of the currents and loads...+rep

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I may be asking questions in the other thread, but I just wired a Subpanel, and Feel I have gained enough knowledge about how wiring works.

Would like to know where and what I said wrong, if you dont mind.

ganjagoddess said:

I may be asking questions in the other thread, but I just wired a Subpanel, and Feel I have gained enough knowledge about how wiring works.

Would like to know where and what I said wrong, if you dont mind.

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like i said..no disrespect...but wiring 1 subpanel does not make you qualified to give electrical advice...i removed an engine from a car once...that doesnt make me a mehcanic..let alone enough knowledge to give someone technical info about cars....you were wrong on this thread when you said you doubt that an electrician would run 12g to 15a...i just opened my pannel and guess what....12g running to 15a breakers....
Im not trying to be an ass here in any way at all...and you are free to post how and when you like..im just saying that i would rather get my info from someone who knows enough about something to make a living at it...

whatever dude.

UserFriendly said:

Then why do they sell 120v versions and separate 240v versions? Maybe you could learn a bit about the product before you go preaching its capabilities?
Google I'm done with you.

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Why must you endlessly try to talk to people like their shit? You've done it like three times in this one thread. If you know so much start your own fucking Electrician journal & answer everyones questions. Have you ever asked yourself the question that maybe the guy (electrician) probably feels like the ballast is dual voltage 120~240V?

They make them like that now a days. So, the moral of the story is before you start your rants instead of sounding like a sarcastic prick who probably weighs a buck twenty soaking wet kindly ask the man what he really meant to say or suggest to him & in a polite way that he could be wrong.

Digital Ballasts come in a variety of flavors apparently.

Some Are only set for either 120v or 240v and cant be rewired.
Some are set for 120v or 240v and are able to switch back and forth by changing only the power cord.
Some Dont need anything done to them and can swithc back an forth with nothing needed.

nickfury510 said:

like i said..no disrespect...but wiring 1 subpanel does not make you qualified to give electrical advice...i removed an engine from a car once...that doesnt make me a mehcanic..let alone enough knowledge to give someone technical info about cars....you were wrong on this thread when you said you doubt that an electrician would run 12g to 15a...i just opened my pannel and guess what....12g running to 15a breakers....
Im not trying to be an ass here in any way at all...and you are free to post how and when you like..im just saying that i would rather get my info from someone who knows enough about something to make a living at it...

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So just switch it out, and quite being a smart ass to me for trying to help people.

Nothing I have said here is wrong, It is even good that we all speculated YOU were wrong about your dad using 12awg wire, JUST so a NEWBIE who apparently doesnt know shit, makes sure he gets it right and doesnt burn down you little grow op.

Good for you your dad used 12awg, fucking joy, theres your fucking answer

GOD, ignorance breeds insults, fuck your just arrogant.

ganjagoddess said:

Digital Ballasts come in a variety of flavors apparently.

Some Are only set for either 120v or 240v and cant be rewired.
Some are set for 120v or 240v and are able to switch back and forth by changing only the power cord.
Some Dont need anything done to them and can swithc back an forth with nothing needed.

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I know this. I just bought 5 dual voltage ballast off of these guys at Ebay because I was tired of going back & forth with the fact of using 120 or 240 so I just went ahead & got the dual voltage. They are excellent, cant complain.

New 1000 Watt 150,000 LM Digital MH/HPS Dual V Ballast - eBay (item 260248037171 end time Jun-11-08 14:53:23 PDT)

New 600 Watt 95,000 LM Digital MH/HPS Dual V Ballast - eBay (item 150255408841 end time Jun-11-08 15:33:15 PDT)

southfloridasean said:

Why must you endlessly try to talk to people like their shit? You've done it like three times in this one thread. If you know so much start your own fucking Electrician journal & answer everyones questions. Have you ever asked yourself the question that maybe the guy (electrician) probably feels like the ballast is dual voltage 120~240V?

They make them like that now a days. So, the moral of the story is before you start your rants instead of sounding like a sarcastic prick who probably weighs a buck twenty soaking wet kindly ask the man what he really meant to say or suggest to him & in a polite way that he could be wrong.

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LMAO!!!!Amen bro!! Im not going to even go there about UF, if you've been in other threads you'll aready know hes not exactly the most liked person, but you hit it on the head

No worries I wasnt trying to educate you, just the fellow user friendly and others reading this thread. I do appreciate your input about him though kinda hard to help when some dont want to be helped.

Thanks!!

ganjagoddess said:

So just switch it out, and quite being a smart ass to me for trying to help people.

Nothing I have said here is wrong, It is even good that we all speculated YOU were wrong about your dad using 12awg wire, JUST so a NEWBIE who apparently doesnt know shit, makes sure he gets it right and doesnt burn down you little grow op.

Good for you your dad used 12awg, fucking joy, theres your fucking answer

GOD, ignorance breeds insults, fuck your just arrogant.

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Listen I dont mind when other ppl answer questions on here in fact I encourage it, If you know what your talking about. I unfourtunatly cant be on here 24/7, (I do work to support my family), what I do have a problem with is when someone dosent want to take your advice(for whatever reason!!) dont come off like that on this thread!!! If you want to get all sensitive because your advice wasnt taken, go else where, I didnt start this thread so ppl can bash other ppl on here find another thead for that.

Thanks KM

Word, sorry kushman to bum in on your thread.

No offense, I did get sensitive, I tried to just write whatever dude, but it was irritating me for a while. haha

Apoligies, Apoligies, apoligies. Forgive me pretty please.

I felt I was just trying to help, and its like getting backhanded.

BTW the GanjaGods are blessing your plants, I talked to em this morning and they mentioned you.

No problem, I just hate to see that shit man. Your trying to help people & some jack ass comes in flaming like hes going thru it with his wife or something. But continue with your thread its well worth it.

ganjagoddess said:

No worries I wasnt trying to educate you, just the fellow user friendly and others reading this thread. I do appreciate your input about him though kinda hard to help when some dont want to be helped.

Thanks!!

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Dont worry about it ganjagoddess, your good with me.

LMAO No worries GG!!! I just read some of these other threads and ppl are just bashing the hell out of each other!!! I dont have time for that kid shit!! Im on here to get ques. I have answered cause believe me, I need all the help I can get and If I can help someone, well Im pretty sure thats why RIU was started