Electrical shock growth test

Dannydavito · May 24, 2020

I've had an idea for a while to run an electrical current through the root zone of my plants. My hypothesis is small electric currents can speed growth by powering and inducing chemical reactions. Perhaps the current can supply energy for chemical reactions directly to the plant tissue. I would like to know if anyone else has tried this, and if so what setup did they use. I am thinking I will have to adjust the power supply depending on the nutrient solutions strength. I assume hydro will be optimal for such a test. This is going to be a long experiment but I will hopefully start it within the coming months, once I get everything setup. I will have to run tests with an ohm meter to see how much power I will need in different solutions. Ideally I will run a control tent with the exact same environment to see any increase in root mass or overall plant yield. Any input is appreciated.

2Hearts · May 24, 2020

A plant uses ATP not electricity and the experiment has benn done and didnt help plants grow in a lab. Magnetic fields and music are also studied subjects.

Budget Buds · May 24, 2020

No never heard of it outside of that cheech and chong movie lol, But It'd be interesting to watch it in progress.... If you really intend on doing it please keep updates on the progress

Dannydavito · May 24, 2020

2Hearts said:
A plant uses ATP not electricity and the experiment has benn done and didnt help plants grow in a lab. Magnetic fields and music are also studied subjects.

It may use atp but the electrons should directly interact with the molecules in the plant, giving them extra energy, enough to react. Or at least that's my theory. Energy isn't really seperated like that. Electrical energy and chemical energy are both just movements of electrons. Anyway could you link to this lab study, I searched for one but couldn't find anything. Thanks!

Budget Buds said:
No never heard of it outside of that cheech and chong movie lol, But It'd be interesting to watch it in progress.... If you really intend on doing it please keep updates on the progress

I totally will update! It's been a dream project of mine for a while and I plan on making it a reality. Might take a while since it's not my number one priority but it will happen eventually.

2Hearts · May 24, 2020

Leaves use electrons in their energy chain displaced by light, they will not substitute a long chemical pathway for direct charge and the recombination of energy is not electricity but Atp.

Type ' electric charged plant roots' into google and read the first hundred results your self you lazy ass - literally hundreds!!!

Dannydavito said:
It may use atp but the electrons should directly interact with the molecules in the plant, giving them extra energy, enough to react. Or at least that's my theory. Energy isn't really sperated like that. Electrical energy and chemical energy are both just movements of electrons. Anyway could you link to this lab study, I searched for one but couldn't find anything. Thanks!

I totally will update! It's been a dream project of mine for a while and I plan on making it a reality. Might take a while since it's not my number one priority but it will happen eventually.

Dannydavito · May 24, 2020

2Hearts said:
Leaves use electrons in their energy chain displaced by light, they will not substitute a long chemical pathway for direct charge and the recombination of energy is not electricity but Atp.

Type ' electric charged plant roots' into google and read the first hundred results your self you lazy ass - literally hundreds!!!

Okay no need to get rowdy now we're all stoners here. Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think you are understanding my point, I'm not saying the electrons will fuel photosynthetic reactions, I'm saying they may cause the creation of other cellular products. As for which ones I'm not sure, I'm a freshman in biochem so I don't know specifics here. Maybe hormones or enzymes required for growth could be produced faster? It's all just an idea and I'll have fun testing it out cause that's how I learn.

2Hearts · May 24, 2020

Yes all that came up under the google search, jstor had pdf downloads on soil life and plant growth, another referenced hydrogen absorbtion. Like there was a ton of data but we know what makes plants grow and what dosent and if electricity did we would solve global food crisis and Stuff.

Biochem is a complex study to master in, plenty of entry level jobs for a technician though.

Dannydavito said:
Okay no need to get rowdy now we're all stoners here. Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think you are understanding my point, I'm not saying the electrons will fuel photosynthetic reactions, I'm saying they may cause the creation of other cellular products. As for which ones I'm not sure, I'm a freshman in biochem so I don't know specifics here. Maybe hormones or enzymes required for growth could be produced faster? It's all just an idea and I'll have fun testing it out cause that's how I learn.

Renfro · May 24, 2020

I dunno, there does seem to be a lot of people that believe in electroculture.

Not tryna start a war or anything but it's something worth a little reading.

Dannydavito · May 24, 2020

2Hearts said:
Yes all that came up under the google search, jstor had pdf downloads on soil life and plant growth, another referenced hydrogen absorbtion. Like there was a ton of data but we know what makes plants grow and what dosent and if electricity did we would solve global food crisis and Stuff.

Biochem is a complex study to master in, plenty of entry level jobs for a technician though.

Now your just being mean man. Not cool it's legitimately making me sad.

2Hearts · May 24, 2020

Sorry that to me was under magnetic fields i said above, many fields have been applied to plants and results documented.

Ive no doubt there is some truth to it but since we dont do it obvious there are next to no benefits or extra growth.

Hey theres the potato clock powered by plant chemical electricity.

Renfro said:
I dunno, there does seem to be a lot of people that believe in electroculture.

Not tryna start a war or anything but it's something worth a little reading.

Hydrotech364 · May 24, 2020

Dannydavito said:
Okay no need to get rowdy now we're all stoners here. Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think you are understanding my point, I'm not saying the electrons will fuel photosynthetic reactions, I'm saying they may cause the creation of other cellular products. As for which ones I'm not sure, I'm a freshman in biochem so I don't know specifics here. Maybe hormones or enzymes required for growth could be produced faster? It's all just an idea and I'll have fun testing it out cause that's how I learn.

When I read your posts I have Danny Davito's voice In My Inner Monologue......

Renfro · May 24, 2020

The Chinese are working with electroculture on a large scale. It seems promising.

China’s secret to making vegetables grow bigger, faster, stronger

Scientists hail breakthrough as results of the world’s largest experiment confirm fruit and vegetable output can soar without chemical pesticides and fertilisers

www.scmp.com

I would imagine that their 15kW per hectare (10,000 square meters) would scale down to something like 1.5 watts per square meter. I will go out on a limb and speculate that alternating current is used and that possibly frequency plays a part?

Budget Buds · May 24, 2020

If OP wants to dabble with a hypothesis then more power to him, Maybe he'll stumble onto something that has been overlooked?? I'd be interested in reading his documented experiences in it nonetheless

Dannydavito · May 24, 2020

2Hearts said:
Sorry that to me was under magnetic fields i said above, many fields have been applied to plants and results documented.

Ive no doubt there is some truth to it but since we dont do it obvious there are next to no benefits or extra growth.

Hey theres the potato clock powered by plant chemical electricity.

Just because we don't do something doesn't mean it's not worth looking into. People said the same thing about aeroponics and hydro.

Renfro · May 24, 2020

Don't try this at home:

Just spit ballin'

but "what if" someone used a very low wattage fluorescent ballast as the source of electricity?

Would we want perhaps a grid in the bottom of a pot, and another at the top?

Dannydavito · May 24, 2020

Renfro said:
Don't try this at home:

Just spit ballin'

but "what if" someone used a very low wattage fluorescent ballast as the source of electricity?

Would we want perhaps a grid in the bottom of a pot, and another at the top?

I like the way your thinking. I must admit Ive fried a few plants with a 2kv power supply the past few days. For science haha!

2Hearts · May 24, 2020

30% yeilds, make it work ill believe then. Electroculture has always baffled but maybe china can repay us for covid as 30% wheat yeilds would feed us all for a long time.

Renfro said:
The Chinese are working with electroculture on a large scale. It seems promising.

China’s secret to making vegetables grow bigger, faster, stronger

Scientists hail breakthrough as results of the world’s largest experiment confirm fruit and vegetable output can soar without chemical pesticides and fertilisers

www.scmp.com

I would imagine that their 15kW per hectare (10,000 square meters) would scale down to something like 1.5 watts per square meter. I will go out on a limb and speculate that alternating current is used and that possibly frequency plays a part?

Renfro · May 24, 2020

@Dannydavito I am definitely intrigued by this idea.

It does pose safety issues of course and likely would cause unforeseen complications.

One big factor is the wattage used should be very low.

There are several variables to be considered as well.

1) AC or DC?
2) Voltage, what is the optimal voltage as it relates to perhaps pot size and medium?
3) Frequency, if using alternating current does frequency play any part?
4) Polarity, if using direct current does polarity matter? Assuming a top and bottom grid which should be positive?
5) Material, electrode materials might also play a part in whatever is going on and certain materials may corrode faster due to the electrochemical reactions going on with the salts present in the nutrient solution. Corrosion could lead to unwanted "feed".

I am positive there are many more variables to be considered.

Would be interesting to find the CAAS study and see what information can be gleaned from their experiments.

Powertech · May 24, 2020

I say go for it, i'll watch. Just because it has been done before doesn't mean you shouldn't try it. How many times did man fail at flight before it finally worked?

Dannydavito · May 24, 2020

Renfro said:
@Dannydavito I am definitely intrigued by this idea.

It does pose safety issues of course and likely would cause unforeseen complications.

One big factor is the wattage used should be very low.

There are several variables to be considered as well.

1) AC or DC?
2) Voltage, what is the optimal voltage as it relates to perhaps pot size and medium?
3) Frequency, if using alternating current does frequency play any part?
4) Polarity, if using direct current does polarity matter? Assuming a top and bottom grid which should be positive?
5) Material, electrode materials might also play a part in whatever is going on and certain materials may corrode faster due to the electrochemical reactions going on with the salts present in the nutrient solution. Corrosion could lead to unwanted "feed".

I am positive there are many more variables to be considered.

Would be interesting to find the CAAS study and see what information can be gleaned from their experiments.

Very useful information, I have a lot of research and planning to do. I think plants offer great testing ability since I can use clones to have a large source of genetically identical subjects. I can hopefully isolate each variable into a separate test on a separate plant to see what makes them tick. I don't expect yield increases but I do hope to give the community some new information.

Btw I have some spare carbon electrodes that should work perfect.

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