Tolerance Break
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Why are you giving them clonex?
Epic 50 Seed Super Sour Diesel Pheno Hunt in my 2x4! Help Growmies!
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SpectacularG
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Clonex feed solution not the rooting gel
Tolerance Break
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Ohhhhhh, my bad. I didn't realize they had a feed formula.
SpectacularG
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Major update hopefully not last one!
5 days ago I transplanted the cuties into some 5.5x.5.5 inch 2.3 quarts pots and left for a trip. Since I knew they wouldn't be watered for 5 days I added about 10lbs of worm castings in the transplant soil to give it more water retaining capacities. So eventually the soil is made from 50L coco perlite bag 70-30, about 25 lbs of worm castings, 3 quarts of vermiculite, handful of azomite and handful of biochar, and after transplant I put vermiculite on top because its inorganic matter and gnats and insects don't lay eggs in there. I will water tomorrow with some medium feedings mostly on the sides of the pots as all the plants don't look thirsty yet.
Now a challenge has appeared there is some weird mutations and after lots of research I believe it could be a virus, probably TMV tobacco mosaic virus.
Its very unlikely its some kind of bug because before transplant I sprayed the tent with Grower's Ally fungicide, mite spray, and a 3 in 1 organic pesticide, also today I sprayed with those 3 plus a neem oil spray.
After transplant I watered everything with Clonex nutrient solution 1-0.6-1 at 15ml/gallon. All pots are between 5.6 and 5.8ph
About 10 of em also starting to curl leaves from the middle sideways. They received plenty of direct air circulation on low like 6 minute on on lvl 1 and 4 minutes off to prevent any powdery mildew but its not the ones necessarily directly in the fan pattern.
It could also be ph too low since there is a higher percentage of worm castings that gives it soil like properties, I will water tomorrow at 6.15ph
Please let me know what you guys think I believe this to be the best place to get some answers.
5 days ago I transplanted the cuties into some 5.5x.5.5 inch 2.3 quarts pots and left for a trip. Since I knew they wouldn't be watered for 5 days I added about 10lbs of worm castings in the transplant soil to give it more water retaining capacities. So eventually the soil is made from 50L coco perlite bag 70-30, about 25 lbs of worm castings, 3 quarts of vermiculite, handful of azomite and handful of biochar, and after transplant I put vermiculite on top because its inorganic matter and gnats and insects don't lay eggs in there. I will water tomorrow with some medium feedings mostly on the sides of the pots as all the plants don't look thirsty yet.
Now a challenge has appeared there is some weird mutations and after lots of research I believe it could be a virus, probably TMV tobacco mosaic virus.
Its very unlikely its some kind of bug because before transplant I sprayed the tent with Grower's Ally fungicide, mite spray, and a 3 in 1 organic pesticide, also today I sprayed with those 3 plus a neem oil spray.
After transplant I watered everything with Clonex nutrient solution 1-0.6-1 at 15ml/gallon. All pots are between 5.6 and 5.8ph
About 10 of em also starting to curl leaves from the middle sideways. They received plenty of direct air circulation on low like 6 minute on on lvl 1 and 4 minutes off to prevent any powdery mildew but its not the ones necessarily directly in the fan pattern.
It could also be ph too low since there is a higher percentage of worm castings that gives it soil like properties, I will water tomorrow at 6.15ph
Please let me know what you guys think I believe this to be the best place to get some answers.
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Tolerance Break
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I think the discoloration is just variegation. It seems farily common with sour D genetics.
Sometimes seedlings just look weird. If its a proportionally high amount, I would suspect environment or viral issues, if its just a few, I wouldn't really worry about it.
Sometimes seedlings just look weird. If its a proportionally high amount, I would suspect environment or viral issues, if its just a few, I wouldn't really worry about it.
SpectacularG
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Would you guys start all over again after sanitizing everything or should I keep going and maybe 1 of these will become a super alien pheno with 80% thc?
SpectacularG
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its all of them basically. i am no virologist of course but its really hard to even find pictures of something like this its pretty uncommon so yeah i am left with TMV or enviromental issues/ph fluctuations. Honestly it was the first time I left them and I forgot that the house ac would go into standby so for 5 days the environment fluctuated a bit but not too extreme. Temperatures 70min 84 max with 78 average and humidity for the first 3 days was at 1.0 vpd and after the ac infinity humidifier ran out i had the spider farmer keeping constant rh at 60% for the last 2 days, last 24h he ran out too so they stayed at around 45% but at that point i fixed from my phone the house Ac so vpd never surpassed 1.4-1.5 which is high for seedlings but non that extreme.
Tolerance Break
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Every seed is a roll of the dice. Varigation isn't inherently viral. Don't abandon the project. You will never find what you're looking for if you start over at the first sign of trouble.
The odds of finding good smoke are very high, but that comes down to execution. Expectations are a whole other can of worms. Your expectations will change as you get more experience.
The odds of finding good smoke are very high, but that comes down to execution. Expectations are a whole other can of worms. Your expectations will change as you get more experience.
SpectacularG
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Agree 100% I will definitely carry on for a bit longer till my mind is up. My deep concern comes from knowing that if that is TMV or any kind of virus there is no cure known and due to the ventilation its possibly on every plant and It will never go away from the dna of the plant so even clones will be contaminated so I would have to always grow tmv infected plants and it could be a big gamble everytime. I really do hope there s a chance that it might cause some pheno to go wild positively bu there is not enough information about it all research says it just reduces yield and growth rate for tomatoes and tobacco mainly due to reduced photosynthesis but still I'll have the situation grow more clearly before I make any decision. Thanks alot for your words
Unga Bunga
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TMV isn't that common in cannabis . Slow down a bit or you'll OCD those plants or yourself to death . Honestly not trying to be a dick but overthinking everything is the cause of many grows going down the tubes .
Tolerance Break
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The simple solution is find a lab that tests for TMV.
I agree with @Unga Bunga. The odds of TMV in general are low, and from seed are almost zero.
I have grown a few plants that sprouted with similar discoloration, and grew out of it. A few plants I have flowering now are almost entirely green, with a leaf or two still that present discoloration.
I agree with @Unga Bunga. The odds of TMV in general are low, and from seed are almost zero.
I have grown a few plants that sprouted with similar discoloration, and grew out of it. A few plants I have flowering now are almost entirely green, with a leaf or two still that present discoloration.
SpectacularG
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Ahaha I surely appreciate that thanks man.
I got this tmv ocd because I smoked a couple cigarettes while in the room and I think I may have also ashed some in the soil for like some spiritual purpose. I definitely ashes a joint in there but maybe also a cig, I definitely smoked in there and I haven't use gloves 100% of the time. Thats it And I really hope is some kind of thrips that will go away with neem
Unga Bunga
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If smoking in the room passed TMV I'd have never grown a stick , let alone 100's of big beautiful buds ...
SpectacularG
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fingers crossed!If smoking in the room passed TMV I'd have never grown a stick , let alone 100's of big beautiful buds ...
