CriticalCheeze
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That has to tell you something... Elections now should be easy for the Democrats..... But who knows..
Even Washington republicans don't support Trumpcare.
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ttystikk
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All Democrats need now are some actual ideas with which to build a platform. TRUMP SUCKS! isn't good enough.
The reason I keep trotting out Bernie Sanders at moments like these is frankly because his platform is clear and popular. Sooooooo popular that he's the nation's most popular sitting politician.
So why doesn't the Democratic Party simply adopt it? My best guess is that their donors tell them not to, hence the 'unity tour' farce where Bernie kept making Democratic National Committee chair Tom Perez look like an idiot.
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CriticalCheeze
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Exactly, their donors are too far up their stinker for them to do anything about it. Let alone stop talking about BS that doesn't even matter. Did you see Ossoffs ad? Lmao, was fucking pathetic.
UncleBuck
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what's wrong with a public option and a medicare buy in for anyone 55+? that is actually what they ran on, not just "trump sucks".
you are just way too short on facts nowadays and you sound like a brainwashed cult member.
CriticalCheeze
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Some of Bernies ideas are good but, I don't see socialism working very well. Which is realistically what i see him as
ttystikk
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'it's not realistic'- Nancy Pelosi, Democrat from California
Huckster79
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Though I dream of the day we have Medicare for all... true universal healthcare... I think bucks point is valid too on the public buy in option.... I think pushing that platform may, at least for discussion, have a better chance of true buy in from the population... as much as I'm a single payer man at heart I would be open to considering the public option as supporting a good over the perfect if it gave us better odds...
I think we as liberals have long been weak on messaging in a way that hits home to the American people.
We have better more well balanced plans with better intent, but we just set back as the conservative marketing machine controls every conversation and w superior marketing sells the population far worse plans that aren't actually in their best interest but rebundled to sound like they are.
We have the plans and ideas.... we just need a clear strong consistent way of marketing it and take control of the conversation, and politicians that take the offense stance by default on these issues.
I think we as liberals have long been weak on messaging in a way that hits home to the American people.
We have better more well balanced plans with better intent, but we just set back as the conservative marketing machine controls every conversation and w superior marketing sells the population far worse plans that aren't actually in their best interest but rebundled to sound like they are.
We have the plans and ideas.... we just need a clear strong consistent way of marketing it and take control of the conversation, and politicians that take the offense stance by default on these issues.
UncleBuck
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what does her quote about the republican's shitty and stupid balanced budget amendment have to do with hillary clinton's capaign stance to implement a public option and let people 55+ opt to buy into medicare?
UncleBuck
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you also claimed that obama was such a bad president that america would never elect a black president again.
ignore the racism in your remark, and instead let's focus on obama's 63% approval rating.
Huckster79
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The man will be on Rushmore someday...deservingly so, and not based on the color of his skin but because of the content of his character as a man and as the President.
Sir Napsalot
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Single-payer necessitates the death of the health insurance industry
Personally, I'm fine with that- parasites should die
SneekyNinja
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Lots of other countries with universal healthcare and private insurance companies.
Huckster79
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I'm good either way if insurance companies live or go the way of carriage wheel companies....
If we have a solid universal system that allows people to buy extra insurance for certain things fine as long as the universal plan is solid and actually takes care of real needs.
At same time for what we spend now compared to other countries we prob could afford a universal plan that covers boob jobs! Hey maybe that's how we sell this thing!!!! Lol.
In all seriousness though this is a crime we spend so much so inefficiently that some folks have no coverage. Stupid, stupid stupid and dumb to boot!
If we have a solid universal system that allows people to buy extra insurance for certain things fine as long as the universal plan is solid and actually takes care of real needs.
At same time for what we spend now compared to other countries we prob could afford a universal plan that covers boob jobs! Hey maybe that's how we sell this thing!!!! Lol.
In all seriousness though this is a crime we spend so much so inefficiently that some folks have no coverage. Stupid, stupid stupid and dumb to boot!
SneekyNinja
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The idea is that people with private insurance get private rooms, shorter waits for electives, etc.
People on the Universal system would get everything covered but at a less "glamourous" way.
Huckster79
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I'm good with that, as long as the "Base" coverage is quality not some trashed out "clinic" that smells like piss. If we have good solid universal coverage and some folks want to pay extra for some unnecessary creature comforts well have at it..
But I still say, "Universal health care to include boob and pecker jobs" I think we can get the American people behind it more with that included.... With as much as we spend now put in universal coverage it could be done!
But I still say, "Universal health care to include boob and pecker jobs" I think we can get the American people behind it more with that included.... With as much as we spend now put in universal coverage it could be done!