Olive Drab Green
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Got it.
Far red at night
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RM3
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Not here
RM3
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Yes, did all the stuff suggested in the research I read at the time, the stretchy happen when it was on for the full light cycle experiment
With Gas Light I get it on the front end as they don't stretch hardly at all and always finish 7 to 10 days faster
RM3
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no, no red light with gas light it is merely a timed light cycle of
12 on, 5.5 off, 1 on, 5.5 off,
The 1 on in the middle of dark keeps em from flowering and they start buddin with in a couple days of flippin em with hardly any stretch, well unless you think 6 inches is a lot
If ya wanna look into it it is most commonly known as the Gas Lantern Routine also known as 12/1
RM3
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kinda, it is a trick that has been used by commercial green houses for decades (hence Gas Lantern) to control when the stock flowers for resale
the really cool part is I used to do 16/8 and with gas light they grow (veg) just as fast
BobCajun
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You really don't get much extra growth in most plants with more than 12-14 hours of light. Personally I use repeating 5/3 cycle, so 15 hours a day of light. I have used 3/3 with satisfactory results too though. I figure an extra 3 hours a day isn't too bad, just to ensure rapid growth.
churchhaze
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There are people who are actually using 730nm after lights out, not "with an infrared light", not at questionable times and not with the poor yields RM3 boasts on a regular basis.
You can't use a 11/13 schedule and then say far-red does nothing. I grow with a 13/11 schedule, ripen faster, and get better yields then when under 12/12. Going 11/13 would reduce yields.
It's frustrating when you have a number of members chiming in with their experience, but the "soft spoken, not arrogant" guy around (who's following 0 people) ignores the experience of others while presenting his own as if nobody else's matters.
You can't use a 11/13 schedule and then say far-red does nothing. I grow with a 13/11 schedule, ripen faster, and get better yields then when under 12/12. Going 11/13 would reduce yields.
It's frustrating when you have a number of members chiming in with their experience, but the "soft spoken, not arrogant" guy around (who's following 0 people) ignores the experience of others while presenting his own as if nobody else's matters.
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RM3
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Once again never happened LOL I shared my experience, I was questioned, I answered the questions, it was almost like a discussion but not once did I dismiss the notion for others and I was not the only one that shared a negative experience.
Tis true I'm not gonna give up my lower light timing because I like how it brings out Sat genetics. But I'm not dissin any one that runs 12/12 or 13/11 You don't see me runnin around sayin how stupid that is like you with me
churchhaze
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You know what also helps bring out sat genetics? A far-red pulse after lights out. Reducing the day time also reduces yields in the same way chopping off leaves reduces yields.Once again never happened LOL I shared my experience, I was questioned, I answered the questions, it was almost like a discussion but not once did I dismiss the notion for others and I was not the only one that shared a negative experience.
Tis true I'm not gonna give up my lower light timing because I like how it brings out Sat genetics. But I'm not dissin any one that runs 12/12 or 13/11 You don't see me runnin around sayin how stupid that is like you with me
churchhaze
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One of the disadvantages of florescent vs HPS is that it's so low in far-red. Also, when an HPS turns off, it glows a dim brownish-orange color and clearly gives off a lot of far-red which many people speculate could be playing a role in why HPS is so good at flowering.
churchhaze
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Can you show us the SPD of the infrared lamp you were using? Were you using it 5-15 minutes after lights out, or 5-15 minutes before lights out? Chiming in with experience is what this thread is for obviously, but it's not clear whether you used a tuned 730nm lamp or one with a wide spectrum that's high in infrared. It can't be any infrared, it has to be very close to 730nm. This information was all left out.Once again never happened LOL I shared my experience, I was questioned, I answered the questions, it was almost like a discussion but not once did I dismiss the notion for others and I was not the only one that shared a negative experience.
Tis true I'm not gonna give up my lower light timing because I like how it brings out Sat genetics. But I'm not dissin any one that runs 12/12 or 13/11 You don't see me runnin around sayin how stupid that is like you with me
RM3
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How many times do I have to say I don't grow for yields. Hell in the last 5 years I've only weighed like 3 crops and that was because I was asked ?
My intended audience is small personal growers that want better weed or better medicine not folks tryin to max/beat the latest gpw showdown
RM3
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No I can't and if I could I wouldn't, I'm not a yielder I could care less about a trick to get higher yields that finish faster knowing it doesn't make the bud better
You see I'm all about better bud, I don't care how long it takes, why I grow land race Sats
RM3
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@churchhaze I'm sure most are aware that you have a problem with me and my style of growing and that is your right ! But In a couple of weeks there are gonna be several more RIU members visit and smoke my poor yielding flouro flowered buds and I promise you they too will tell you that you are wrong same way others that have smoked em already have
At some point you should give up your crusade against me and go help some new growers lokin for higher yields of mediocre bud
At some point you should give up your crusade against me and go help some new growers lokin for higher yields of mediocre bud
churchhaze
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Because you "can't and if I could I wouldn't" show us the SPD of the infrared lamp you were using, your input on the thread's subject matter is of very limited value. If you're really interested in contributing to this thread, you should get some 730nm lamps and talk about your experience with it.
BobCajun
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That's a good point actually. I thought of that myself, the HPS arc tube stays glowing red for at least several seconds after turned off. It also doesn't immediately snap on at full brightness but gradually goes from nothing to full brightness. Maybe it's less stressing to plants to start at low light level and build up somewhat slowly. Not like half an hour sunrise simulation but maybe over a 5 minute period would be better than instant on.
Come to think of it though, when turned off the arc tube goes from really hot to room temp over time. That means that the far red would be emitted first and then gradually it would become more normal red as it cooled, I would think. If you follow EOD FR pulse with a normal red pulse you reverse the FR effect. So you may not get the FR EOD effect from a cooling HPS bulb after all. You would have to use a spectrometer on it to see.
What you said about a 13/11 cycle does make sense. It would still be like 13 hours dark so you'd get faster ripening but also faster growth from the extra hour of light.
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goodro wilson
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I don't feel like making my own led or anything like that right this second
but I am gonna throw a black light incandescent on a timer for 5 min after lights out
If it works it works but i dont see how it could be detrimental or not worth the $
Seems simple enough I already run mostly strains with short flowering times so idk what benefits of be getting but we will see
I have nothing in flower right now
but I am gonna throw a black light incandescent on a timer for 5 min after lights out
If it works it works but i dont see how it could be detrimental or not worth the $
Seems simple enough I already run mostly strains with short flowering times so idk what benefits of be getting but we will see
I have nothing in flower right now