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Stoney McFried

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Here's an interesting article by a registered dietitian.It's long, so if you don't want to read it all, skip to the part where she says Bullshit.
Confessions of a Radical Registered Dietitian
By Joanne Ikeda, M.A., R.D.
From Radiance Spring 1995 Issue
"A woman is calling on line one with a question about dieting. Can you take it now?" my secretary asks.
I'm the Cooperative Extension nutrition education specialist and a lecturer in the Nutritional Sciences Department at the University of California, Berkeley. If you call UC Berkeley for nutrition information, chances are you'll end up talking to me. That's because one of my myriad job responsibilities is to provide research-based nutrition information to those who need it. Most of my work is with health and education professionals and the media, but occasionally a layperson manages to find me.
I pick up the phone. "Can I help you?" I ask.
"I hope so," responds a mature female voice. "Do you read Woman's Day magazine? Did you see the article on Oprah Winfrey and the diet she went on to lose all that weight? I want to send that article to my daughter in Oregon. You know, my daughter has been fat all her life. I did everything I could to help her. I never let her eat ice cream, potato chips, candy, or other junk food. I always portioned out her plate at meals and never let her have seconds. I bought her special diet foods and made special low-calorie meals just for her. I told her over and over again she was never going to have a boyfriend if she didn't lose weight. After she graduated from college, she didn't come back to the San Francisco Bay Area. Instead, she settled in Oregon. I rarely see her anymore, but I know that she's still fat. Maybe if she goes on this Oprah Winfrey diet, she'll finally lose weight. I wanted to check with an expert before sending her the article. What do you think? Is this the right diet for her? After all, she's thirty-two years old, and it's about time she did something about her weight."
"Hmmm," I say as I think to myself. No wonder your daughter moved to Oregon: you're lucky she didn't move to Australia! Yet you persist in harassing her about her weight. Well, I refuse to give you permission to continue this. I am going to steer you in a very different direction.
"I can think of a couple of things you might send your daughter that would be a lot more helpful to her than that article."
"You can? What are they?"
"The first is a book entitled Great Shape, The First Fitness Guide for Large Women. It encourages large women to be physically active in ways that are safe and fun. This book can help your daughter learn to enjoy moving her body and become more physically fit if she isn't already doing this.
"The second thing I highly recommend is a subscription to Radiance magazine. Radiance is a wonderful magazine that encourages large women to live life to the fullest. It features stories about large women who are successful businesswomen, actresses, lawyers, psychologists, athletes, and so on. I think your daughter would enjoy it."
"Well, I might send her that exercise book, but I'm certainly not going to send her a subscription to that magazine!" responds the woman huffily.
"Why not?"
"I wouldn't send her that magazine because then she might feel good about herself the way she is now and not want to lose weight."
I could feel the explosion coming. "Look, lady, if making fat people feel badly about themselves helped, they all would have been thin a long time ago, because people like you have done a terrific job of that!"
End of phone conversation.
I have told this story over and over again. To the dietetics students enrolled in the nutrition education and counseling course I team-teach every fall semester at UC Berkeley. And to the registered dietitians, nutritionists, nurses, doctors, psychologists, coaches, physical education teachers, home economists, and many other health and education professionals who attend the Cooperative Extension workshops I present on Children and Weight: What Health (and Other) Professionals Can Do About It. I tell them this story after I show them a series of slides featuring very large men and women in various settings and poses. While they view the slides, they are supposed to write down three adjectives describing their personal feelings about the people they see in the slides. They usually think I intend to rant and rave about the terrible health risks of obesity. They are quite surprised when this turns out to be an exercise in self-examination - an examination of their personal attitudes toward large people.
I tell my students that no one but me will see their adjectives. Throughout the past five years I've noticed a shift away from overtly negative adjectives such as "gross," "lazy," and "stupid":toward more clinically oriented negative descriptions, such as "obese," "unhealthy," "physically unfit," and "high chronic disease risks."
Clearly negative attitudes toward large individuals are still common, even among those pursuing careers they hope will "help the obese client reach a healthier weight through good nutrition and increased physical activity." So I discuss the work of the esteemed psychologist Arthur Combs, who investigated the differences between effective and ineffective helping professionals.
"What did Dr. Combs find to be the major difference between professionals who are very good at helping others versus professionals who are not?" I ask my students.
"Giving more practical advice rather than talking in vague generalities?" says one. "Using better counseling techniques," suggests another. "Motivating them by telling them all the terrible things that might happen to them if they don't do what you tell them" says a desperate third.
"No, Arthur Combs found that the most important characteristic of an effective helping professional is the way the professional views his or her client. If you believe that the person you are working with is worthy, able, dependable, internally motivated, and friendly, you are much more able to help that client than if you view him or her in negative ways, that is, if you feel that he or she is unworthy, unable, undependable, externally motivated, and unfriendly. Now, look at your adjectives. How do you view large people?" Most of the students have guilty expressions on their faces.
Next I play a tape that Judy Freespirit, an activist in the fat liberation movement, made for me. She reads her essay "A Day In My Life." It poignantly describes the discrimination she endures on a daily basis because she is a very large woman. Many of the students cry while listening. That's okay. It indicates they are mature enough to confront their own prejudices and deal with them. I play the same tape for the health and education professionals attending in-service training meetings.
In my role as a Cooperative Extension nutrition education specialist at UC Berkeley, I travel all over the state, providing up-to-date nutrition information that professionals can put to immediate use on the job. These professionals are on he front line; they are the ones working directly with large people. Their attitudes will make a critical difference in whether they help or hurt in their interactions with those patients/clients/students. Most of them report that my training has helped them feel more empathetic toward large children and adults. They tell me that they expected to learn about counting calories and were surprised and delighted by my innovative yet practical approach.
After twenty-five years as a registered dietitian, I am familiar with my profession's "party line": that large people can lose weight if they permanently alter their lifestyle, that all they need to do is eat a low-fat, low-calorie diet and exercise every day for the rest of their lives. That if they persist long enough, and try hard enough, it will happen. My response is, "Bullshit," and I'm brave enough to say it out loud in front of my colleagues, which makes me a renegade. But someone has to stand up and publicly say, "It's time to accept responsibility for the harm we have done." We have done large people a great disservice in keeping alive the myths that it is possible for them to become permanently slender and that unless they become slender they can never be healthy and fit. Yes, "obesity" is associated with an increase in a number of health risks, but a search of the scientific literature reveals that no study has ever compared the risks of large people who have healthy lifestyles and are physically fit with the risks of those who do not have healthy lifestyles and are not fit. A telephone conversation I had with an "obesity specialist" at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) illustrates the problem.
"You mean to tell me there are large people who have healthy lifestyles and are physically fit?!" asks the specialist incredulously.
"Yes, there are. And I believe these individuals probably have fewer health risks than those who have given up on themselves because health professionals have reminded them again and again that they can never be healthy unless they lose weight. Instead of continually harping about weight loss, why doesn't the NIH adopt the slogan, Healthy at Every Size, and just promote a healthy lifestyle?"
"Well, that's an interesting thought," replies the specialist."I'll share that with some of my colleagues."
Another frustrating attempt to influence those who seem to be "in charge" of the national agenda with respect to weight and health. Unfortunately, power comes with numbers, and even though I am affiliated with a prestigious nutrition department at one of the world's greatest universities, I am a single voice in the wilderness.
Fortunately, more and more RDs are beginning to question the party line, especially the ones who actually work with large people. We are supported by recent articles in our professional journal, The Journal of the American Dietetic Association, entitled "Why Treatments for Obesity Don't Last," "Obesity Treatment: The High Cost of False Hope," and "Weight Loss Programs: Failing to Meet Ethical Standards." But even these articles suggest that we must try harder to motivate large people to devote themselves to a lifetime of eating right and exercising daily, as if none of them were doing it already.
As a health professional, I do have a strong commitment to helping all people adopt a healthy lifestyle - not in a way that is compulsive and constraining, but in a way that helps them enjoy their bodies and take responsibility for their care. That's why I was delighted to discover AHELP, the Association for the Health Enrichment of Large People. This professional organization represents members of the medical, mental health, health education, and scientific communities who accept the fact that people come in a variety of sizes and shapes and who are not really interested in changing that situation.
At the third annual AHELP meeting at Mountain Lake, Virginia, last April, I renewed my commitment to promoting size acceptance and to discouraging "dieting." These meetings rejuvenate me; all of a sudden I am not alone. There are others eager to fight the good fight. I will join them! Together, we can make a difference! We can end size discrimination! We can enlighten our colleagues and help them realize that if they really want to help large people, the first thing they have to do is accept them!
Upon my return to Berkeley, I send out an e-mail message to more than fifty university nutrition departments, announcing "May 5th is International No-Diet Day" and explaining why I support this event. The next day I receive a message from one of my colleagues in mid-America.
"Are you saying that obese people can be healthy? Now, Joanne, you've seen all those statistics about the strong relationship of obesity to noninsulin diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, cancer . . . ."
I write a long message in response, saying many of the things I've said in this article, and send it to everyone on our nutrition network. This is yet another opportunity to open people's minds and get them to question the way we have always approached this "problem of obesity."
I do other things, too. While attending a California Nutrition Advisory Council meeting, I suggest that "acceptance of size diversity" be incorporated throughout the revision of the nutrition education curriculum used in California schools. Back at my desk, I finish writing a pamphlet for "Big Kids" that will be published by the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance. There is a lengthy phone conversation with a staff member from the Human and Civil Rights Division of the National Education Association who is investigating size discrimination in public schools. The book I coauthored with Priscilla Naworski, "Am I Fat - Helping Young Children Accept Diversity in Body Size" receives a rave review in the Journal of Nutrition Education.
I love my job as the University's Cooperative Extension nutrition education specialist! It gives me the freedom and flexibility to put my time and energy where I think it counts the most.
"Good things are happening!" I exult one morning to my husband. Then I open the Oakland Tribune and see the front-page article, "Fourteen-Year-Old Starves Self to Death." I read the sad story of a Chinese-American girl who thought she was too fat. She stopped eating, only to drop dead on the living room floor of her home one morning.
Two days later, I am working late in my office when the phone rings. I pick it up. It's a reporter with the San Diego Union Tribune., who says, "Today a fifteen-year-old girl in our community killed herself because her mother kept pressuring her to lose weight. Her uncle told us that she was awfully fat, as if that justified the mother's actions. Do you have any comment on this?"
"Yes, I do. We have a long way to go, don't we?"
JOANNE IKEDA, M.A., R.D., is a nutrition education specialist at University of California, Berkeley, and a size-acceptance activist.
 

holmes

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ok stoney, how many percent of the woman actually suffer from the mentioned ailments?
i bet its small compared to the woman that actually over do it.
 

Stoney McFried

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I don't know, man, but why assume that they got that way because they overeat?Why assume they're lazy, and useless? Are you perfect? Do you have no flaws, that you can judge others so harshly because they don't look like you think they should?
ok stoney, how many percent of the woman actually suffer from the mentioned ailments?
i bet its small compared to the woman that actually over do it.
Everybody needs love.
Fat chicks need love too.
 

holmes

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i dont know why your taking this so personal. Why cant i assume those things, i dont think its all that farfetched.
of course i have flaws, i never once said im looking for perfect woman.
and im not judging anyone, look, you can eat and look however you want to. It is my opinion that it is a shame, woman are such beautiful creatures, i love spending time with a good woman. It sucks to see a cute girl blow up.
I would never throw it in your face, or make you feel less of a human for it, but this is the topic of discussion on this thread. and thats just how i see it
 

Stoney McFried

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I'm not "taking it personally." I think it sucks when people treat others like crap because they don't fit their idea of beauty.And even though you might not throw it in their face, they'd still see in your face how you felt about them.Being a "good" woman has nothing to do with what you look like. Why is personal freedom a "shame?" Thousands of years ago, larger women were preferred.Even as recently as a century ago, artists painted such women.One painter of the 15 and 1600's immortalized such women.http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=rubens&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
You're just following a fashion trend.:leaf:
i dont know why your taking this so personal. Why cant i assume those things, i dont think its all that farfetched.
of course i have flaws, i never once said im looking for perfect woman.
and im not judging anyone, look, you can eat and look however you want to. It is my opinion that it is a shame, woman are such beautiful creatures, i love spending time with a good woman. It sucks to see a cute girl blow up.
I would never throw it in your face, or make you feel less of a human for it, but this is the topic of discussion on this thread. and thats just how i see it
 

joeyjoejoe

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those chicks in those pics aren't fat though. their just plumpers.nice plumpers at that. aside from the hair.. for some reason i can't bring myself to unsubscribe this thread though. its a total joke.:lol:
 

dew-b

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No, I'm implying that you seem to think that the only women worth fucking are the ones with good bodies. Yeah, a lot of folks are fat because of what they eat.But your initial post came off as one of intolerance to said fat people. Just because someone is fat doesnt mean they don't deserve to have a dude like them. We all have our problems and noone is perfect.
not everyone can have a fast fatburning matablisim. i my self am one of the lucky ones. at 42 i weight the same as i did when i was 18.:clap:
 

Stoney McFried

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All I know is, we all get to die, no matter how fat or skinny we are. I hope I don't get passed over for friendship just because someone doesn't like something about my looks.
And joey, google venus of willendorf.
 

dew-b

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All I know is, we all get to die, no matter how fat or skinny we are. I hope I don't get passed over for friendship just because someone doesn't like something about my looks.
And joey, google venus of willendorf.
i won't be your freind if you let that booger hang from your nose. fat women are like mopeds. there fun to ride till your freinds findout:o
 

Hayduke

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Ya, becasue there are so many fat poor people in African who cant affort healthy foods.

Maybe we should teach these people of "poverty" that they can still make healthy choices, even without the funds of the rich.
Even eating all that high carb high fat food isn't forced appon them by anyone. What about all these people on food stamps program and Federal and State aid. They seem to be the fattest of all. The could be buying more healthy alternatives to crap they buy. grill your chicken, don't fry it.. Don't put a stick of butter into your Greens. Alot of their food choices are just that, Choices. No one makes them eat from McDonalds dollar menu. There are plenty of healthy choices for a buck. A box of Whole grain pasta and a couple of cans of tuna fish could feed a family of 4 dinner. Throw in a head of lettus and a cuccumber and you have a better meal. Most of these people eat 3500-4000 calories a day, which is completely unnessary. 2000 calories are fine, as long as they are good calories. 4000 shit calories doesn't help your body at all, thats the problem here.

You can buy an apple for the price of a snickers, but they don't. You can buy an sparkling water for the price of a coke, but they don't.

Excuses Excuses Excuses. What is wrong with this country. Accountabiltiy for your actions and choices is what we need. It may not be thier fault they got fat, but it sure is thier own fault that they're still fat.
If you are poor enough to qualify for food stamps...by nature of being on food stamps and the small amount that they give people...it is even harder to feed your family. This and your comparison of Africans to the fat folk that bother you so(...I believe you are refering to images that you see of famin caused by peoples displaced due to genocide and the desertification of Sub-Saharran Africa...poverty is drastically different...) show your ignorance/youth

if you shop smart you can eat well cheap but you will have to prepare the food a small price to pay for how good you feel once detoxified of garbage food. im on as thin a budget as anyone else believe me.
Yes but how many mouths do you feed...they don't just pay you more because you have a child, and if you are lucky enough to have a two parent household, both parents have to work to make ends meet...and so many moms/dads are at work when the kid(s) come home from school instead of at home where they can teach them how to be nice young adults.

You made beer come out my nose!
That was pretty funny.

hey sarah ive been reading threw this shit and laughing...u keep saying ur healthy i dont kno ur height but it dosnt look tall. 245 ur fucking fat rofl, stop defendin urself about that and start eating right. u are obviously in denile with coming up with a defense towards this and everything else...just so fucking funny
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and dont give me this bullshit about childhood eating problems, i was chubby for all my childhood and was made fun of by my older bro i got fucking sick of it and did something about it....i started eating healthy and worked my ass of in the gym. try that shit gurrl
I would say more, but I think Stoney already did...you are a real ass dude.:finger:

Excuses Excuses Excuses... I don't care where you live, the gym would never cost you more then a $1.50 a day. I'm not talking about a Ritzy health center with free massage and one on one Personal training. Just a simple place to clime a stair master or use an elliptical or treadmill.
That $1.50 a day, less then two items on the McDonalds dollar menu. About the same as a cup of coffee. But I'm banking on you would rather have the double cheese burger and not the hour of cardio.
It's being lazy, thats what it is. Mental health, Please... It would improve greatly if you would get in shape and start caring more about yourself. Making a positive change for your body would only help you feel better about your mental state and thus improve your mental health.

Your "sweet spot" is that drugs? Maybe anti-phycoticis or anti-depressants? Lets medicate ourselfs becasue of the fact we are misserable, because people made fun of us, because we are fat. Thats life, it's how we filter out societys weak and useless. When people are made fun of and insulted, they can either pick themselves up, get the point and start fixing thier own problems. Or they can sit on thier fat asses and make more excuses about it. Excuses like: I'm fat because of my mental health, or I'm fat becasue I was made fun of.

Show these fucking people (including me) that your not gonna sit back and let people walk all over you. Show them you can lose weight and that you are a stronger person now and won't be brough down by criticism. You have the means inside of you to become a better, healthier, stronger person.
and now you too :finger:

I think I have you figured out laserbrn.. your a black man who like fat white girls, but has no respect for woman, becasue you call them bitches.. You think your a pimp, but your just a little boy with a fake gun and no life. Am I close??

No need to answer, I know I'm correct. Player Player
I think I have you figured out too...white, grew up in the suburbs, not old enough to buy beer, narcissistic, with racist under tones...oh and never done psychedelics...and by the way I would not recommend trying them because you would not like what you see in the mirror...

you would probably feel a lot better yourself if you learned to stop judging people.
Very nice advice for many of the not so nice boys. I actually feel sick to my stomach after reading hate aimed directly at Sarah, who responded like a perfect lady...who comes on a grow site and tries to hurt peoples feelings....? Oh yeah, kids.

I wonder how many of these nice boys would tell their moms/mums(for our hinge heads) that they are "christians"...my guess is 100%. You just don't see this kind of hate and intolerance from any other demographic.

Thanks for lowering my impression once again of the Human species...I feel dirty now.

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bicycle racer

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my family is struggling badly right now were living on savings. yes being poor complicates things but i still eat well but i have to prepare food i think some people either do not care or are not educated about how to eat well or are stuck in there habits and dont want to change there daily routine. besides myself i know many other broke ass bike racers they to manage to eat well but we all have educated ourselves on how to accomplish this .
 

sarah22

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Very nice advice for many of the not so nice boys. I actually feel sick to my stomach after reading hate aimed directly at Sarah, who responded like a perfect lady...who comes on a grow site and tries to hurt peoples feelings....? Oh yeah, kids.

I wonder how many of these nice boys would tell their moms/mums(for our hinge heads) that they are "christians"...my guess is 100%. You just don't see this kind of hate and intolerance from any other demographic.

Thanks for lowering my impression once again of the Human species...I feel dirty now.

:leaf::peace::leaf:
thanks dude :D :hug:
i have learned so much in my therapy...and being non judgmental is a really big part of it. it just feels better...trying to be civil and diplomatic, rather than being angry and all that jazz. its all about realizing that you could be wrong. people make assumptions about things all the time...but if you think about it for a minute...you could be wrong. just like with seeing overweight people. your automatic assumption is that they over eat and have a really unhealthy lazy lifestyle. but for all you know they could have a serious medical reason for gaining weight. my best friend was very petite (size 3 maybe a 5) when she was in her teens and early 20's, is the healthiest eater i know...shes always been on my ass about my diet...lol. but anyway...she has a medical issue...a blood disorder of some sort i think...that requires her to take steroids of some sort...and shes gained soooo much weight from those pills. and she did everything she could to prevent the weight gain but it can just happen that way. u need the med cuz ur sick but they make you gain weight like crazy...you never know. thats the thing...people assume things...and people like to assume that they're always right. but in actuality we get it very wrong most of the time.
 

Stoney McFried

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And judgmental people usually have some terrible things in themselves they haven't faced.
i won't be your freind if you let that booger hang from your nose. fat women are like mopeds. there fun to ride till your freinds findout:o
Once again,I agree with you.
If you are poor enough to qualify for food stamps...by nature of being on food stamps and the small amount that they give people...it is even harder to feed your family. This and your comparison of Africans to the fat folk that bother you so(...I believe you are refering to images that you see of famin caused by peoples displaced due to genocide and the desertification of Sub-Saharran Africa...poverty is drastically different...) show your ignorance/youth



Yes but how many mouths do you feed...they don't just pay you more because you have a child, and if you are lucky enough to have a two parent household, both parents have to work to make ends meet...and so many moms/dads are at work when the kid(s) come home from school instead of at home where they can teach them how to be nice young adults.



That was pretty funny.

:finger:



I would say more, but I think Stoney already did...you are a real ass dude.:finger:

and now you too :finger:



I think I have you figured out too...white, grew up in the suburbs, not old enough to buy beer, narcissistic, with racist under tones...oh and never done psychedelics...and by the way I would not recommend trying them because you would not like what you see in the mirror...

Very nice advice for many of the not so nice boys. I actually feel sick to my stomach after reading hate aimed directly at Sarah, who responded like a perfect lady...who comes on a grow site and tries to hurt peoples feelings....? Oh yeah, kids.

I wonder how many of these nice boys would tell their moms/mums(for our hinge heads) that they are "christians"...my guess is 100%. You just don't see this kind of hate and intolerance from any other demographic.

Thanks for lowering my impression once again of the Human species...I feel dirty now.

:leaf::peace::leaf:
Good.Letting the little head do all your thinking will get you far.:leaf:
im following my dick
No, she's an idealization.Noone knows if she's pregnant or not, but pregnancy certainly doesn't explain the fat legs and buttocks.She is not only a sybol of fertility, but of plenty.
The venus of willedorf is a fertility idol depicting a PREGNANT women with swollen breasts.
 

natrone23

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No, she's an idealization.Noone knows if she's pregnant or not, but pregnancy certainly doesn't explain the fat legs and buttocks.She is not only a sybol of fertility, but of plenty.
So you think its some kind of ancient BBW porn? Neoithic "man" wouldn't make something like that for fun, it would have had to been for something important. The most important thing to those people were offspring. Fertility symbols like the Venus has been observed in many "primitve societies also.

Its really all in ones interpatation, but I ask whats more likely? Ancient BBW porn or fertility idol?
 
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