First grow, FINALLY!!! (HELP NEEDED)Indoor, OG Kush, 250w MH/HPS, bubbleponic DWC 35 liter, AN nutes

MF-Wizard

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Four years, I did my waiting like Sirius fucking Black before coming back around to the grow-op setup. This time it is quite minimalist grow since budget is strict AF, however I'm still taking this just as seriously as in the past.

Only a few things are missing, the grow starts next month as soon as I'll have everything together so for now it's a rundown of the equipment I'll be using and setting up. Dis gon b gud...

SETUP

The tent is a neat 60x60x140cm (23,6x23,6x55,1in) Hydro Shoot, not too small but not too big either for my budget.

The reservoir is a 35 liters (9,2 US gallons, 7,6 UK gallons) tote, the fucker however was see through so I painted the bastard black and the lid got two holes for two plants but I'll be adding four more holes into it once I'll consider growing more than just two plants at a time, the lid will be covered in aluminum tape next month to reflect heat and light produced by the MH/HPS bulb.

There will be four circular airstones in the tote with a pump that pushes out 10 liters (2,6 US gallons, 2,1 UK gallons) of air per minute, figured that's plenty for two plants if the airstones are placed as close to the roots as needed. The netpots are 8 centimeters (3,1 inches) that'll house 3,5 (1,3 inches) centimeter rockwools in the middle with hydro pellets, these feckers will do their darnest to support the plants I'll grow in them or die trying.

250w MH and HPS will be used with a complimenting LUMii MAXii reflector, with the size of the grow in question and experience I can't exactly get a bigger nor badder light in the sucker without committing financial suicide or risking my tent spontaneously combusting like the fucking Hindenburg.

STUFF FOR NEXT PURCHASE

The water pump isn't anything that'll send rockets to the moon, either one pumping 350 liters per hour (92 US gallons, 76 UK gallons) adjustable that figured would be plenty enough or then one pushing 150 liters (39 US gallons, 32 UK gallons).

Although with an in-line fan with push of 194 cubic meters per hour (which is math I can't convert into horse bladders or dillygoos with the apps in hand) the bigger and badder lights were a possibility, financially however is an entirely different thing.

The active carbon filter can take around 240-360 cubic meters per hour, random question about this though... In-line fan will push below 240 cubic meters, would that mean the exhaust air won't get through or am I worrying about nothing?

For ventilation I'll purchase air duct that has noise suppressing padding, figured that's the least I should get for decibel control since the filter is bound to affect the amount of noise that'll come out of the grow but I'm willing to hear advice here. Extra smell cover will be provided by a ONA mist dispenser, I'm not taking any goddamn chances with smell...

This is basic shite, pH meter, TDS meter and lastly a humidity/temperature meter.

NUTRIENT CORNER

Figured it would be best to use Advanced Nutrients line here since they're specifically made for growing da herb, but I'm not getting carried away with the brand because I'm not made of money and I can't make money in my country by selling my blood or seminal fluid, no one is more disappointed here than me knowing that with my skills of the wrist I can't churn bucks out as well. SO, I'll be using the pH Perfect grow, bloom and micro like you'd expect. For additives I figured to at least include Voodoo Juice for root growth plus health and Big Bud, you can make suggestions on additives BUT keep them at completely essential levels and understand I'm not going to buy the whole arsenal if I'm not promised a magic genie and a harem of twelve virgins on the house. The base nutrients have been ordered but the additives are yet to be purchased.

I'll be uploading pics when I get to putting the entire grow into shape.

UPDATE EDIT:

Due to sudden discovery of another seedbank with strains containing more information from reliable sources, the strain won't be another obscure OG Kush strain among the hundreds, instead I'll be growing Dinachem.

TRAINING INCLUDING:

Since this is my first grow I'll detail here the training and thingy-mabops I'll throw at the grow.

The plan is to wait until the girl has produced 3-5 nodes and then FIM it instead of topping, less stressful and with the grace of the old gods I'll get four stems which would eliminate two tops.

This gentle surgical mutilation is then followed by our old favourite LST, which will be a fun challenge since we're dealing with bubbleponic DWC so I can't exactly stab just anything into the lid that'll hold the bondage in place.

This then leads into training the plant to fill up a SCROG with flowering sites, the SCROG will also fulfill the purpose of controlling how the plant goes through flowering by controlling the stretching.

Now comes the potentially dangerous part, defoliation. Since this is my first grow ever, I want to avoid using this completely if at all possible. When we're talking smaller grows, a plant that loves to grow a tad too much leaves and let them linger for flowering can become a problem for airflow and light penetration. Therefore I'm going to do everything to avoid this, a dehumidifier and oscillating fan inside the tent should help me avoid going all Jason Vorhees at the hippie community. If it comes down to it, I'll consult the jury in the forums right here on how to approach with defoliation.
 
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Boatguy

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Two plants will be a tight fit in there. Save yourself some aggravation and stick with one.
In the same size tent i have 200w light and a 340 cfm exhaust fan, dimmed down to minimum it runs nearly full time. It is quiet running that low, couldnt tell you what cfm it is at that level though.
 

MF-Wizard

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Two plants will be a tight fit in there. Save yourself some aggravation and stick with one.
In the same size tent i have 200w light and a 340 cfm exhaust fan, dimmed down to minimum it runs nearly full time. It is quiet running that low, couldnt tell you what cfm it is at that level though.
Thanks for the suggestion, I figured that two plants would fit pretty snug in the tent but I'll consider running the grow with only one plant and train the girl with LST and SCROG. The in-line fan won't be anything fancy, I'll have to wire the sucker myself on top of that and if I feel a bit fancy it I'll smack a thermometer controller to it. Tell me, will I have to dabble in defoliation with a 250w HPS or will the buds get enough light by just training them with the SCROG?
 

Boatguy

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Tell me, will I have to dabble in defoliation with a 250w HPS or will the buds get enough light by just training them with the SCROG?
Doubt it. Training and topping is enough to fill my tent. I havent tried scrogging in anything other than my old microgrow.
Dont really consider cleaning up the underneath, and trimming limbs i dont want, defoliating.
A 2x2 gets small very fast
 

MF-Wizard

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Doubt it. Training and topping is enough to fill my tent. I havent tried scrogging in anything other than my old microgrow.
Dont really consider cleaning up the underneath, and trimming limbs i dont want, defoliating.
A 2x2 gets small very fast
Alright thanks, SCROG will become necessary because I can't have the plant stretching uncontrollably, I'll be tucking the budding sites by the links to control the stretching. I'll probably top the plant twice, then focus on LST to fill up the SCROG.

What does bother me is the lack of information on the strain, it's OG Kush (Lemon Thai x Pakistani Kush) from Seedsman. I keep finding a variant with Chemdawg thrown in on grow journals, so I have zero clue what kind of characteristics to expect. Either way, having the SCROG is insurance against the dreaded stretch but even without the stretch going apeshit at least the buds can get a little fatter with the extra weight support.

EDIT: The strain was picked out from a local seedbank so I don't have to risk ordering seeds from another country

2nd EDIT: Check post for new info, strain change and training details
 
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MF-Wizard

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The thing with OG Kush is that there are at least a dozen versions out there and they vary widely.
I'm aware, that's why I'm considering Dinachem strain instead after finding another seedbank. Since I'll buy seeds next month along with the last of the equipment, there's a window of time that'll determine what strain I'll grow due to the changes in seedbank inventory.
 

MF-Wizard

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STRAIN UPDATE

Due to the problems of determining what the characteristics particular OG Kush strains show, since there's hundreds of them I'll nix that strain.

Instead I've got two strains I'm keeping an eye on for purchase next month. Dinachem and Dutch Passion's Master Kush.

Dinachem is good for stress and anxiety just as Master Kush from Dutch White Label, however pictures of grows have shown that Dinachem might not produce as plenty nor dense buds for such a small grow. Master Kush is a strong yielding plant, though she's a bit more susceptible to mold due to the budding amount and thus increased airflow with possible defoliation or lollipopping will deter that.

I look up info on strains through leafly.com due to the inclusion of narcotic and medical effects together, this pointer will clarify things ahead.

I know what there's to know about Dinachem through Leafly, but there's a problem when it comes to Master Kush. There's no info on Dutch Passion variant, thus only info I have on it is in the Dutch White Label variant. A bit of data spelunkin later provided that this strain is bred to its original characteristics by Dutch White Label and Dutch Passion, so this gives hope.

If anyone's got info or experience on Master Kush and/or Dinachem, I'm all ears.
 

xtsho

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I grew Master Kush for years. Dutch Passion would be a good choice for genetics. I don't know the origins of what I grew as I got it from clone years ago. It's a great indoor strain. I even have a pack of seeds from Nirvana I got to play around with one of these days. Both Dutch Passion and Nirvana are old school Dutch breeders that have been around for decades.


 

MF-Wizard

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I grew Master Kush for years. Dutch Passion would be a good choice for genetics. I don't know the origins of what I grew as I got it from clone years ago. It's a great indoor strain. I even have a pack of seeds from Nirvana I got to play around with one of these days. Both Dutch Passion and Nirvana are old school Dutch breeders that have been around for decades.


Thanks for the info. If the seedbank inventory holds for next month, I'll most likely purchase Master Kush seeds.

How have your Master Kush girls fared over the years? I'd love to know more. :weed:
 
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