First grow setup question

Hello fellow Arizonans, I thought I'd present my grow room question to the home crowd since you have all grown out here in the desert and surely know more than me. This will be my first ever grow and now that it's right around the corner, I'm getting a bit nervous. But I'm well read on the subject and I have the time and definitely the will to make it work.

So my vision is for a total of 24 plants (patient now, caregiver soon) growing in three stages. Group A in veg, groups B & C in flower four weeks apart. Grow tents will be used, soil based grow using T5 for veg and either 400 or 600W for each flowering group. Genetics are purchased and they are femenized strains all leaning towards shorter plants with 7-8 week flowering periods.

My question is this. Do I go with a 4' x 8' x 6.5' (H) or would it be better to have (2) 4' x 4' x 6.3' (H) tents for the flowering groups B & C? There will be a separate veg tent. Are there advantages of one tent vs. two for flowering? Two lights in a single tent might create more heat, but I'd only need one carbon filter. I'm sure there are things I haven't considered and that's why I'm asking you folks for your input. Anything you got is much appreciated. Cheers!

T5 for veg in a seperate tent sounds ok, but if you can afford the electric bill being a little higher I'd veg with a 400 or 600 mh. For flowering I'd do two tents because then you can have one tent in flower then flip the other tent to flower a couple of weeks after the first. If you do it this way you can have a perpetual harvest and are not locked into having to flower in one tent.

Will you be growing some flavor of hydro or are you growing in soil? What nutrients will you be using? If you are using clones, are you sure they are bug free? Do you know how to check for bugs? Do you know what a nutrient deficiency looks like? Do you know what a ph issue looks like? What are your plans for air movement in your room? Will you be using co2?
 

MurshDawg

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T5 for veg in a seperate tent sounds ok, but if you can afford the electric bill being a little higher I'd veg with a 400 or 600 mh. For flowering I'd do two tents because then you can have one tent in flower then flip the other tent to flower a couple of weeks after the first. If you do it this way you can have a perpetual harvest and are not locked into having to flower in one tent.

Will you be growing some flavor of hydro or are you growing in soil? What nutrients will you be using? If you are using clones, are you sure they are bug free? Do you know how to check for bugs? Do you know what a nutrient deficiency looks like? Do you know what a ph issue looks like? What are your plans for air movement in your room? Will you be using co2?

Damn bro, that was like literally 20 questions, lol :-) You from no-cal? Have you ever grown in AZ?
 
Damn bro, that was like literally 20 questions, lol :-) You from no-cal? Have you ever grown in AZ?

And I have about 20 more questions too! Yep , from nor cal. Never grown in Arizona, don't know why that is relevant when growing inside, well, aside from heat issues in the summer, but it gets hot as hell here too.
 

MurshDawg

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And I have about 20 more questions too! Yep , from nor cal. Never grown in Arizona, don't know why that is relevant when growing inside, well, aside from heat issues in the summer, but it gets hot as hell here too.
No offense, bro. You really don't know hot until you come out to the deserts of AZ maybe even parts of so-cal. You cali-folk got that nice ocean breeze to cool your state off. We get a dome of high pressure that doesn't move from May-October. Our high temps in the valley average 110 with 5% humidity the lows are about 95 and same humidity. Our dry climate means we hardly ever have to deal with algae or fungus. Next summer when you look at the weather map look at our state clouds avoid AZ like the plague, lol. Feel free to ask your questions as long as they are in a civil manner. @phxfire yea I saw the sig but the inquisitive nature coupled with that weird "cali-vibe" made me think he went to UC Berkeley or something up in the bay area, lol jk 8-) welcome gardener
 

BeaverHuntr

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No offense, bro. You really don't know hot until you come out to the deserts of AZ maybe even parts of so-cal. You cali-folk got that nice ocean breeze to cool your state off. We get a dome of high pressure that doesn't move from May-October. Our high temps in the valley average 110 with 5% humidity the lows are about 95 and same humidity. Our dry climate means we hardly ever have to deal with algae or fungus. Next summer when you look at the weather map look at our state clouds avoid AZ like the plague, lol. Feel free to ask your questions as long as they are in a civil manner. @phxfire yea I saw the sig but the inquisitive nature coupled with that weird "cali-vibe" made me think he went to UC Berkeley or something up in the bay area, lol jk 8-) welcome gardener
He's not lying. The temps here are hot and the humidity is super low. I got used to growing in low humidity honestly I saw no difference vegging with humidifiers.
 

greywind

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T5 for veg in a seperate tent sounds ok, but if you can afford the electric bill
being a little higher I'd veg with a 400 or 600 mh. For flowering I'd do two tents because then you can have one tent in flower then flip the other tent to flower a couple of weeks after the first. If you do it this way you can have a perpetual harvest and are not locked into having to flower in one tent.

Will you be growing some flavor of hydro or are you growing in soil? What nutrients will you be using? If you are using clones, are you sure they are bug free? Do you know how to check for bugs? Do you know what a nutrient deficiency looks like? Do you know what a ph issue looks like? What are your plans for air movement in your room? Will you be using co2?


Thanks for taking an interest in my first grow endeavor. I am a grow virgin, so I may not have all the answers to your numerous questions. Hopefully you might have some knowledge to share with me as that is the reason I am on RIU, to learn and have community with like minded individuals. Plenty of people in this thread have dropped knowledge on me already and it's much appreciated. Cheers AZ crowd!


I can't do the HID light for veg... as I said in a prior post in this thread, I'm restricted by the circuit breaker in my home. I am actually scrambling last minute to figure out my flower tent set up... but I will still utilize T5s for veg.


Alright, as I said in first post this will be soil based. Anyone know of Master's Pride Professional Potting Soil? Thoughts?
I haven't made up mind on nutes. Recommendations? I believe the soil I mention has required plant food for first month or so... guess I better re-research that, lol. I have seeds now and if I needed clones, I believe I know a solid provider of healthy clones.

I have spent countless hours of my life researching growing in one form or another. From recreational High Times reading as a youngster to the reading of several grow books now along with endless research on the internet. I can't even pretend to know everything to look for, but I know I'm ready to start and learn more along the way.

And last couple of questions, no on the co2. I will use inline exhaust fans exhausting outside and oscillating fans for air circulation. Time to medicate. bongsmilie
 
I use the Masters Pride in all of my grows. The stuff wiil get you down the road for about 4 to 6 weeks with no nutrients required, especially if you veg under a T5. I have some stuff in it now under a T5 for a seed run I am doing and two of the plants are in five gallon buckets of the stuff, I have only fertilized them once in five months with about 1/2 a cup of bat guano in each bucket.

This is the soil I use...



And here are some plants grown in it, these were started from seed two months ago and have been in the same soil, under a T5, with no nutes for two months now.



As for nutes, for my next big indoor grow I plan on ditching the nutes and using subcools supersoil recipe, no nutes required. If you are going to use chemical nutes, I have always had great success with the GH 3 part series in soil and the "useless" formula.

Useless formula is as follows (note, what follows is a cut and paste, not my words). While this recipe is for hydro, myself and thousands of others have used it in dirt with stellar results.

OK, I figured I would post this here, since some folks are asking about the GH 3 part.
This is my feed schedule -

Here is the nutrient regimen I use and how I control PH with little or no ph up or down...

So OK - feeding schedule week by week. This is the GH weekly feeding program, slightly tweaked. I will only call out the volume of each part per gallon of water in the following manner: grow, micro, bloom, ppm range. Example - 5-2.5-2.5-400/800 would mean 5 ml grow, 2.5 ml micro, 2.5 ml bloom and a ppm of 400-880. Remember it's per gallon. You Euro's can easily convert to liters. 4 liters is just a little bit over 1 gallon. It should also be noted that I use the hardwater micro due to my tapwater. I suggest using the hardwater micro in place of the regular micro if your tap water is over 200 ppm total or you have over 70 ppm Ca. RO water users should use the regular micro.
Veg -
week 1 5-2.5-2.5-400/600
week 2 10-5-3- 600/800
week 3 12-6-3 800/1000 (continue week 3 formula if additional veg time is required.)

Bloom
week 1 6-6-10- 800/1200
week 2 3-7-12 - 1000/1400
week 3 3-8-14 - 1000/1400
week 4 3-8-16 - 1000/1400
week 5 (discussed in detail below*)
week 6 0-7-20 - 1000/1400
week 7 0-6-20 (see bleow**)
* During week 5 if not using a booster like Superbud, Bushmaster Kabloom etc. run 2.5-7-18. I use MOAB (Mother of All Blooms) or BushMaster at 50% of recommended strength, and use 1.25-3.5-9 for the fert base.
**If running an 8 week strain you should only run the ferts during week 7 for a maximum of 3-4 days. This gives you 10 days for flushing. I should note that if I use ferts for a few days in week 7, I take the lants over the 8 week mark. Personally I flush for a min of 14 days. But 10 is bare minimum imo/ime.

The ppms work out almost exactly. I tend to lean toward the lower side of the range, unless I have a really heavy feeder that I know can handle it.

At every ressy change out I add in 5 drops per gallon of 35% food grade H2O2. During flush use ph adjusted water at 5.5-6.0
I will add epsom salt at week 1 of bloom if the plants are heavy feeders AND I see signs of an Mg def. Otherwise I won't use it. The only time I have ever had Mg def is during transition. The GH 3 part is a little low on Mg, but the PBP and Canna nutes are way lower.

Now- how to control your PH...
There are a couple factors that cause your PH to drift. The most common is running the nute solution too strong or too weak. If it's too strong, your PH drops. If it's too weak the PH rises. You have to find the balance point. If you find that the formula above is say, a little strong, and say you have a 20 gallon ressy, mix the nutes for 18 gallons. If it's a little weak, mix it for 22 gallons. You follow?
The other common mistake is mixing your nutrient solution and trying to adjust the PH right away. You have to allow time for the ph buffers in the nutrient solution to do their job. Mix the nutes up, and bubble or circulate for 12 hours before even looking at your PH. You will find the PH to be almost right on target.
I use little or no ph adjusters. (Except during flush). I use tap water, with a starting PPM of 300-400 and a starting PH of 7.4-9.0 (Thats crazy you say! The water is too hard, you will never get stable PH and you will have too much Ca, causing a lockout of Mg!) Bollocks I say.
Every week, on Friday I drain the ressy and fill with plain water. I let that run overnight giving the plants a little flush. This also allows the chlorine and ammonia to evap. On Saturday morning, I mix the nutes into the ressy. I DO NOT adjust ph at this time. Let that run as is overnight. On Sunday morning, I check ph and adjust if needed. Usually don't have to.
Doing things this way has saved me from constant PH drifts, and using about 150 ml of ph down every ressy change, and a little here and there throughout the week to keep it in the desired range. Now, the most I ever have to use is about 30 ml.if any at all. (I have a 35 gallon ressy btw) My Ph stays at a constant 5.5-5.8.

If you are still having PH issues using the above method, an alternative is to PH adjust the plain water to 5.5 BEFORE you add nutes.
 

phxfire

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I use the Masters Pride in all of my grows. The stuff wiil get you down the road for about 4 to 6 weeks with no nutrients required, especially if you veg under a T5. I have some stuff in it now under a T5 for a seed run I am doing and two of the plants are in five gallon buckets of the stuff, I have only fertilized them once in five months with about 1/2 a cup of bat guano in each bucket.


Now- how to control your PH...
There are a couple factors that cause your PH to drift. The most common is running the nute solution too strong or too weak. If it's too strong, your PH drops. If it's too weak the PH rises. You have to find the balance point. If you find that the formula above is say, a little strong, and say you have a 20 gallon ressy, mix the nutes for 18 gallons. If it's a little weak, mix it for 22 gallons. You follow?
The other common mistake is mixing your nutrient solution and trying to adjust the PH right away. You have to allow time for the ph buffers in the nutrient solution to do their job. Mix the nutes up, and bubble or circulate for 12 hours before even looking at your PH. You will find the PH to be almost right on target.
I use little or no ph adjusters. (Except during flush). I use tap water, with a starting PPM of 300-400 and a starting PH of 7.4-9.0 (Thats crazy you say! The water is too hard, you will never get stable PH and you will have too much Ca, causing a lockout of Mg!) Bollocks I say.
Every week, on Friday I drain the ressy and fill with plain water. I let that run overnight giving the plants a little flush. This also allows the chlorine and ammonia to evap. On Saturday morning, I mix the nutes into the ressy. I DO NOT adjust ph at this time. Let that run as is overnight. On Sunday morning, I check ph and adjust if needed. Usually don't have to.
Doing things this way has saved me from constant PH drifts, and using about 150 ml of ph down every ressy change, and a little here and there throughout the week to keep it in the desired range. Now, the most I ever have to use is about 30 ml.if any at all. (I have a 35 gallon ressy btw) My Ph stays at a constant 5.5-5.8.

If you are still having PH issues using the above method, an alternative is to PH adjust the plain water to 5.5 BEFORE you add nutes.
And that my friend... Is why I use pure coco coir.... PH stays around 5.8-6.0 after initial adjustment.. Done.. No rechecking or adjusting...
 

BeaverHuntr

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And that my friend... Is why I use pure coco coir.... PH stays around 5.8-6.0 after initial adjustment.. Done.. No rechecking or adjusting...
I dunno dude I used pure coco too but the coco chips not coir either way its 100% coco again I know my PH drops are due to the House and Garden nutes A&B they drop the PH a lot but I still have to adjust once a week when it starts dipping lower than 5.4.. I would say your perfect PH spot is because you found " the sweet spot " in your nute soup you found the perfect PPM to feed your plants, finding the sweet spot is one of the best parts about hydro when you get it dialed in sometimes you really dont have to do anything but stare at your plants.
 

BeaverHuntr

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what brand of coco you guys using + price ?? or any other brand you liked better that you used in the past ???
I have only used Hydro Farms big ass brick of coco chips ( comes in a block for like 15 bucks) and I am trying the roots organic stuff but its a lot of perlite. Home Grown Hydro is the distributor for Canna coco products here in AZ that is one of the better coco coir companies along with roots organic that Empire brand from Sri Lanka is good too, too many companies are now putting out coco products, I even seen Sunshine Mix have a bag that has coco coir in it. For flood and drain I would ditch the hydroton and just go with pots and coco similar to what PhxFire does.

 

greywind

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I use the Masters Pride in all of my grows. The stuff wiil get you down the road for about 4 to 6 weeks with no nutrients required, especially if you veg under a T5. I have some stuff in it now under a T5 for a seed run I am doing and two of the plants are in five gallon buckets of the stuff, I have only fertilized them once in five months with about 1/2 a cup of bat guano in each bucket.
Are you here in the desert now? If so, where do you pick this soil up from? I've called several nurseries up and no one stocks this... I'm so stressed and my grow hasn't even started! Lol, I need to medicate. Okay better now.
 

BeaverHuntr

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Are you here in the desert now? If so, where do you pick this soil up from? I've called several nurseries up and no one stocks this... I'm so stressed and my grow hasn't even started! Lol, I need to medicate. Okay better now.
Lots of good soil to use the choice is yours.. Sunshine Mix , Roots Organic, Fox Farms Ocean Forest, Fox Farms Happy Frog just to name a few. All of those can be bought locally at hydro stores here in the valley the soil he uses is similar to Fox Farms Ocean forest meaning it has enough nutrients for 4 weeks of a seedling/cutting grow. After that you can decide what type of nutes to use. I'm actually growing mothers from seed in Ocean Forest soil seeing a lot of yellowing from nitrogen deficency around week 5 so today i will add some Humbolt Orgain grow juice 3-1-3 which is the same exact shit (literally) as Advanced Nutes Iguana Juice.. Iguana Juice = 41 bucks Humbolt = 13 bucks both are 3-1-3 and carry the exact same shit.
 

greywind

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Lots of good soil to use the choice is yours.. Sunshine Mix , Roots Organic, Fox Farms Ocean Forest, Fox Farms Happy Frog just to name a few. All of those can be bought locally at hydro stores here in the valley the soil he uses is similar to Fox Farms Ocean forest meaning it has enough nutrients for 4 weeks of a seedling/cutting grow. After that you can decide what type of nutes to use. I'm actually growing mothers from seed in Ocean Forest soil seeing a lot of yellowing from nitrogen deficency around week 5 so today i will add some Humbolt Orgain grow juice 3-1-3 which is the same exact shit (literally) as Advanced Nutes Iguana Juice.. Iguana Juice = 41 bucks Humbolt = 13 bucks both are 3-1-3 and carry the exact same shit.
This is exactly what I was going to ask about next because a call to Master's Pride soil manufacturer has proven it's unavailability in AZ. Thanks for all the info BeaverHuntr!
 
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