*First Grow* Two 60 day Autos with Progress pics!

ADizzzle

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Hey all! Thanks for viewing my post. This is my first grow and it is an inexpensive closet grow. I currently have two plants:
1. 60 Day Lemon Auto (DNA Genetics)
2. 60 Day Royal Purple Kush Auto (Buddha Seeds)

Lights:
2 x 75W CFL. Soft white. 2600Kelvin. One light on each.

Light cycle is 24-0

Nutrients:
Miracle Grow All Purpose (24-16-10) for Veg
Miracle Grow Bloomer (15-30-15) for Flowering

Soil:
Miracle Grow Moisture Control

This is my first grow and so far they are both over 1.5 Feet tall! Please comment with any advice that you may gave. I'm looking for your experience to perfect my grow!!

Both plants:
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60 Day Auto Royal Purple Kush (Day 27)
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60 Day Lemon Auto (Day 27 - Beginning to flower as evidenced by small tiny colas forming at nodes)
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Any advice is appreciated!

Thanks
Dizzzle:joint:
 

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tekdc911

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theres the problem
to make this worth your time you need IMO atleast 100 actual watts a plant
i have my shit dialed in rarely have a spot on a leaf or deficiency and with 2 68w actual watt cfl's a plant
i can only pull 1-1.5 oz's thats dialed in after growing a strain multiple times
 
Yeah, your own photos reveal that there's almost zero light penetration with those lights at all. Also, that foot and a half is pretty weak--based upon stretch, not great tight internodal growth. I'd say you can expect maybe an 1/8th per plant once dried, if you're lucky. Don't go crazy trying to get more lights rigged up for this grow; it's not going to matter. The stunt has set in. Plan better for next time, but don't give up. (No comment on Miracle Grow; to each his own.)
 

tekdc911

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more light will help even now
throw some more watts on them and let them run another month you never know
i bet they surprise you
they are running behind way behind
they arent going to just kill over at a certain date from when planted
they look like there just now showing heavy preflower
and have some time left
 

tekdc911

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i use MG products all the time
sometimes seed starter always use the perlite
i like the fact its not inert and is preloaded with nutes
ive seen many good plants grown with MG ferts
if you know what your plant needs and when it doesnt matter if you use urine for a fertilizer
its getting what it needs
just like if you go deer hunting you can use a gun or a bow both will get the job done one is just more effective
 
I don't have a negative opinion--in general--on MG products. Years ago, I'd run MG because it was all I could get my hands on. My hesitation in this instance on MG is that this is his first grow, and there are easier ways to go about it. I'm not a cfl guy, except for clones, but I suppose he could drop that light a lot closer. Autos do keel over after a certain date from when they are planted. I ran an experiment earlier this year because I wondered about the maximum life cycle for a popular auto strain. Dead as shit on day 92.

So, yeah, he could add some more cfls and increase his harvest slightly (his maximum increase is minimized by the lack of growth sites from the stunt). But, if he's going to head to the store and buy some more cfls... maybe... just maybe... he'd consider a decent small LED. Especially if he's going to be running two plant grows for a while. Make life a little easier on himself and his plants.
 

tekdc911

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ive let a few run 14-16 weeks
and ive grown auto's for a few years now
if you stop feeding them they will die
 

OrangeHaze

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gotta start somewhere. won't get much off em in 60 days because of the slower start, but it's not a done deal. add some more/bigger lights if possible or like tek said just run em longer, won't hurt anything, just a little longer of a wait.
 

new2420grow

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I'm not saying you're going to get "rockstar" results with MG products and CFLs, but I just pulled 1.5 from my PE auto using nothing but CFL lighting and MG bloom nutes. As far as the time span, I'm still on my first grow,(planted 2 and have harvested one already) and I'm still letting my NL auto go, she's at day 95 right now and still fattening up. I've pulled about 3/4 oz from her so far and I'm here to tell you, I sure wish I'd let my PE go longer and hadn't pulled so much from my NL because the buds are getting a lot more dense. I'm not saying they'll never die, but I can tell you from first hand experience, they don't automatically die at day 92, not all strains anyways. I'd have to agree with Tek, get some more light on em and get em as close as you can and let her go a while.
 

tekdc911

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gotta start somewhere. won't get much off em in 60 days because of the slower start, but it's not a done deal. add some more/bigger lights if possible or like tek said just run em longer, won't hurt anything, just a little longer of a wait.
more light first then more time he's grown them under 1 15w cfl a piece so far
 
I'm not saying you're going to get "rockstar" results with MG products and CFLs, but I just pulled 1.5 from my PE auto using nothing but CFL lighting and MG bloom nutes. As far as the time span, I'm still on my first grow,(planted 2 and have harvested one already) and I'm still letting my NL auto go, she's at day 95 right now and still fattening up. I've pulled about 3/4 oz from her so far and I'm here to tell you, I sure wish I'd let my PE go longer and hadn't pulled so much from my NL because the buds are getting a lot more dense. I'm not saying they'll never die, but I can tell you from first hand experience, they don't automatically die at day 92, not all strains anyways. I'd have to agree with Tek, get some more light on em and get em as close as you can and let her go a while.
I think we're actually in agreement here, and I'm learning something too. I couldn't get my TD to live past day 92, but I was hitting it with 18 hours of intense LED lighting every day, and I did keep up the nutes. It had impressive growth and flower development, but not as much as her two beautiful sisters, who I harvested day 74 and 76, and I wanted to see if I could make her live longer. I wanted to know the full lifecycle of autos (or this one specific auto). It would not live any longer. At least, not when it had been provided ample light and nutrients from day one. On day 92, all the leaves had browned to worthlessness and could no longer synthesize any light. The buds themselves were experiencing some serious breakdown. The dried weight on the 92-day TD was almost seven ounces... of middie garbage... because I was experimenting with it and seeing how long it could live. Made some hash, which was "okay" but not good. I want to mention now that the other two TD that I harvested when ripe were amazing in taste and effect and I got almost six dried from each, which shattered the most I'd ever gotten from an auto which had been just over four ounces from an autopounder.

If the argument is that a plant that has been retarded of nutes and given some gentle cfl bulbs to stay alive on... then maybe they can live longer. I guess that's the argument I'm hearing and I tend to believe it. The lights are softer so maybe the biochemical process has been slowed down extensively which prolongs the lifecycle of an auto?

But this begs the question, what's the point of growing autos if you're going to run into the three month range with them under cfls? Extrapolating the math out, you'd almost have to run a super auto for almost as long as decent sativa. I'm relatively new to autos (been kicking around a small flock of different strains since earlier this year), but the advantage appears to be that most of them are ready to harvest 2-3 ounces in 55-63 days, of decent to very good cannabis. Sometimes they stay shorter, but not always.

Has anyone journaled an auto grow that was well-lighted and cared for that went over 90 days to reach peak maturity? I'd like to see that. Mine was degrading sharply from day 80 or so onward. By the end, it was just sad to look at.

There are probably several good reasons for growing with cfls (like discretion). Here are six reasons to grow with leds. The ones in the front are now 4410172013.jpg days from seed, the tall cola way in the back right is on a 54 day old TD.
 

tekdc911

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ive had P and K def's set me back almost a month on a topped HBD i had going it started to really flower at week 10 with 25-30 tops
 
Interesting, Tek. I'd never thought that less light would make them mature faster, but autos defy a lot of rational thinking.

The auto record, at least from what I've seen, is Seymour Buds' grow: 75 days, LEDS, Think Different, 356 grams. He really had his dialed in, but I'm still proud of six oz in soil. It really is an impressive strain. I told myself I'd be happy with around 4 each and they plumped up beyond my expectations. I'm hoping to hit 8 with the one TD I have going right now. I've given it the best spot in the garden, and lots of private attention. It appears to be able to take as much water and nutes as a person could give it. I mean, in my effort to hit 8 with it, I even told myself, "Okay, this will probably burn the hell out of it, but I will try just to see." Did not burn it (using almost double the recommended nutes for "heavy feeding"). Now I'm feeding it 3/4 cup of Fox Farms Tiger Bloom and a 1 cup of Big Bloom per gallon of water. No burn. This strain is nuts. I go back in two days after watering and feeding and she's like "Yeah, I'm super thirsty again." But all the other plants only want water like once every six days under these LEDs. I almost wish I'd started a grow journal on this one plant, but I know most people would just have been like "you're going to kill it with those nutes." PLus, I didn't want to publicly fail if I did kill it with my massive nute experiment. I still don't think I will hit 8, but maybe, just maybe, if I only flush for one week.

http://www.dutch-passion.nl/en/news-and-development/first-public-think-different-autofem/
 

tekdc911

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ya dark periods mature them faster
long periods of weak light make them run longer
24/0 seems like they veg longer a bit but stretch more
heavy lst and pinching makes them run longer
topping before preflower makes them veg a bit longer and take longer total
topping after preflower makes them try to start flowering earlier
if there is a P or K def they just keep on vegging what seems like for ever until its fixed
ive pushed like 1250 ppm @ 2.5 EC on a nute whore and it didnt like it much
my soil/soilless is almost inert and they love it for a month then start screaming for cal/mag
1/1/1 coco,peat and black loam mix , perlite
 
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