First time grow: go buddha go!
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KlosetKing
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cant be totally positive on the last pic, that kind of yellowing could be as simple as too little nitrogen, though that doesn't seem like it should be the case. the first pic with the giant spot in the middle, looks like more of the calcium issue, but again i am not 100% on this as you are currently fixing a pH imbalance.
what i meant by my last post was, at that moment, they were over watered. think of your watering like a scale of 1-10 (this isnt a perfect analogy but it should work). 1 being too dry, 10 being too wet. you got her to 10. as that soil dries out, its going to go from 10 down to 1 gradually. think of 4-6 as the Goldilocks zone. as you approach that zone, they are going to perk up because they have the amount of water they actually desire. as it keeps getting dryer, it will move out of that zone again, and they will start drooping all over again as they start reaching to 1. you don't want actually wait for the droop again, you actually want to predict it (this may take time) and water just before that happens, but only water it up to that Goldilocks zone again (just enough to perk, not enough to over water).
remember, slightly under watering is almost always fine as it will usually only promote root growth (so long as you don't go overboard and let her die from lack of water). OVER WATERING is dangerous because A. you cant just fix it like you can with an under watered plant (i.e. you can always add water, but you cant remove it) and B. it can lead to Root Rot and cause some serious issues.
i hope this was a little clearer!
-KK
what i meant by my last post was, at that moment, they were over watered. think of your watering like a scale of 1-10 (this isnt a perfect analogy but it should work). 1 being too dry, 10 being too wet. you got her to 10. as that soil dries out, its going to go from 10 down to 1 gradually. think of 4-6 as the Goldilocks zone. as you approach that zone, they are going to perk up because they have the amount of water they actually desire. as it keeps getting dryer, it will move out of that zone again, and they will start drooping all over again as they start reaching to 1. you don't want actually wait for the droop again, you actually want to predict it (this may take time) and water just before that happens, but only water it up to that Goldilocks zone again (just enough to perk, not enough to over water).
remember, slightly under watering is almost always fine as it will usually only promote root growth (so long as you don't go overboard and let her die from lack of water). OVER WATERING is dangerous because A. you cant just fix it like you can with an under watered plant (i.e. you can always add water, but you cant remove it) and B. it can lead to Root Rot and cause some serious issues.
i hope this was a little clearer!
-KK
django
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cheers dude, sounds like i'm experiencing all kinds of lockout at the moment. i'll wait until she's perked up and then sort out my pH. i'm sure that will be a battle in itself, having to flush with a lowered pH water to get the soil to a good level, maybe leading to overwatering etc etc.
here's to the future!
django
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Could be mate, got any photos. Both over and under watering cause drooping but it's pretty easy to determine which is the cause. Hope the other 6 are doing well
Mine isn't drooping anymore but is suffering from mineral deficiencies for sure. Lots of yellow etc, will post pics when home from work. The annoying thing is I can't do anything for her at the moment (drop ph) cause I would worsen the over watering!
django
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so things aren't looking good for my big plant 
since i can't water, i can't use pH down to drop the pH. as such, it is suffering mineral deficiencies, and badly. but maybe if i water now i will overwater and cause droop again.
i think the soil is nearly dry enough to water with the pH down solution.
my question to you all is.........should i risk overwatering again in order to drop the pH so it can absorb nutes? or leave it to dry more and suffer from malnutrition? which is gonna be worse for the plant?
i took a load of pics so you can see the extent of the problem.
the other plants are fine, maybe with a tiny bit of yellowing to the ends of the leaves.
HELP!
since i can't water, i can't use pH down to drop the pH. as such, it is suffering mineral deficiencies, and badly. but maybe if i water now i will overwater and cause droop again.
i think the soil is nearly dry enough to water with the pH down solution.
my question to you all is.........should i risk overwatering again in order to drop the pH so it can absorb nutes? or leave it to dry more and suffer from malnutrition? which is gonna be worse for the plant?
i took a load of pics so you can see the extent of the problem.
the other plants are fine, maybe with a tiny bit of yellowing to the ends of the leaves.
HELP!
django
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do you not think they could do with some nutes up em? the soil isn't so wet any more, if this were a normal situation i would probably be thinking about watering tomorrow
cheers
Da Silva Satia
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i agree.....probably water lightly tomorrow then flush a little later to fix the pH and I would suggest only 2 days of waiting
as far as the CFLs......idk couldnt hurt....
i think that is a plus to mh/hps cause they help dry out the soil from their heat......
Good luck man....really hope your babies come through for you.....
how are the others?
django
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the others are really good actually mate, they don't seem to have been affected to be honest. perhaps because they're younger and have a lesser nute requirement.
i'll take your advice re watering and post up some pics afterwards so you can see what they all look like.
here's hoping i'll get this journal back on the road soon!
p.s. probably got a 250W HPS coming soon
well you never said what soil your using i dont think...but i will assume either Fox Farm or Miracle Grow, either way the nutriens are there....there just not accesable, but good luck mando you not think they could do with some nutes up em? the soil isn't so wet any more, if this were a normal situation i would probably be thinking about watering tomorrow
cheers
EDIT: didnt realize you were gettin a HPS when i said buy more CLF...
django
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sorry man i didn't explain very well, i meant i would drop the pH so that it can get access to the nutes, not give them a feed
i'm using a decent compost mixed with perlite and vermiculite
django
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haha fair playlol, after reading back i get what your sayin man...my bad, totaly baked im
django
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day 18: things are going pretty slowly
obviously the biggun has been stunted cuz of all the problems and i hope it will recover. i've watered thoroughly with pH 6ed water. same for the little ones.
the good news is the little ones are growing okay.
i'm now just gonna keep watering with half strength nutes at pH 6 when the soil is dry, probably every three days ish.
obviously the biggun has been stunted cuz of all the problems and i hope it will recover. i've watered thoroughly with pH 6ed water. same for the little ones.
the good news is the little ones are growing okay.
i'm now just gonna keep watering with half strength nutes at pH 6 when the soil is dry, probably every three days ish.
vairocks
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wt is d nutes ur usin...? wt r d values...? like NPK vaues...??day 18: things are going pretty slowly
obviously the biggun has been stunted cuz of all the problems and i hope it will recover. i've watered thoroughly with pH 6ed water. same for the little ones.
the good news is the little ones are growing okay.
i'm now just gonna keep watering with half strength nutes at pH 6 when the soil is dry, probably every three days ish.
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django
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day 22: well the big one hasn't done much for the last week but the other two are coming on strong.
breaking news - i have a 400W MH lamp now! i was looking at ebay listings at work on my phone and my mate said 'oh yeah, i've got one of those i'm getting rid of'. what are the chances?! fucking awesome! does anyone reckon i should hang it lower than this?
here are my three plants now, the younger two are looking good i think. a little droop on one, appeared two minutes after watering. will check back later.
bhut jolokia: hottest chilli in the world!
breaking news - i have a 400W MH lamp now! i was looking at ebay listings at work on my phone and my mate said 'oh yeah, i've got one of those i'm getting rid of'. what are the chances?! fucking awesome! does anyone reckon i should hang it lower than this?
here are my three plants now, the younger two are looking good i think. a little droop on one, appeared two minutes after watering. will check back later.
bhut jolokia: hottest chilli in the world!
Da Silva Satia
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nice work on those lights sir
everything is looking good..and from what i can see the older one looks like it just needed to get rid of those bottom leaves...
bhut jolokia pepper......pretty cool man+rep
everything is looking good..and from what i can see the older one looks like it just needed to get rid of those bottom leaves...
bhut jolokia pepper......pretty cool man+rep