First Time Grow - Newb Question

Hey Guys,

I have always wanted to grow my own plant instead of paying high dollars for good weed and I finally decided to take action and do it!

I'm starting with bag seed because I don't want to pay money for quality seeds and mess up the grow cycle. Also, I need to be somewhat stealth so I decided to use a sterilite storage compartment that was laying around the house. It should be a perfect size for one or two plants.

At this point I have germinated the seeds and they are now under cfl's on a 24/0 cycle in solo cups. Below are my two questions.

1) How much and how often should I water the solo cups during the seedling stage (Just planted them this morning)?

2) I'm using miracle grow potting soil... do I still need to add nutrients to the water? If so, what do you recommend?

I will be posting pics of my grow box to get any additional advice. Thanks for you help!

Peace-
 

growone

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MG potting soil is tricky, really not a newb soil though it can produce good results
every time you water MG potting soil, it releases nutes, water too much and burned seedlings
so don't water too often, let soil dry before watering again
MG Moisture Control killed my 1st grow, hope your luck is better
 

JSB99

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Hey Guys,

I have always wanted to grow my own plant instead of paying high dollars for good weed and I finally decided to take action and do it!

I'm starting with bag seed because I don't want to pay money for quality seeds and mess up the grow cycle. Also, I need to be somewhat stealth so I decided to use a sterilite storage compartment that was laying around the house. It should be a perfect size for one or two plants.

At this point I have germinated the seeds and they are now under cfl's on a 24/0 cycle in solo cups. Below are my two questions.

1) How much and how often should I water the solo cups during the seedling stage (Just planted them this morning)?

2) I'm using miracle grow potting soil... do I still need to add nutrients to the water? If so, what do you recommend?

I will be posting pics of my grow box to get any additional advice. Thanks for you help!

Peace-

I'm sure others will be jumping in this post to point some things out to you, but I'll go ahead and start. Hopefully this will give you the info you need to get you some beautiful girls.

First, congratulations on taking the first step into a really cool hobby with a very good reward for your efforts. After some practice it gets really easy and your smoke will be better than most weed you've bought.

Starting with bag seed may actually cause you more work. Because they're not feminized, you can count on growing some males (although you may get lucky). When you get to flowering and you see the sex of the plants you'll have to cut down your males and get them the Hell out of your box. You don't want the males polinating the females.

Also, you may end up with vastely different strains when using bag seed. If you have two strains that grow at different rates and sizes in the same box, you could end up with one plant right up against the light with the other so low it may not get the lumens. The easiest is to grow the same strains together (until you've got some practice or more room).

But, sometimes the budget and availability may not allow for purchasing of feminized seeds so here's what I would do in your case:

Grow them the best you can and get rid of the males when they appear. Watch the characteristics of the plants that you're growing. Once you've picked your favorite, take some cuttings from it so that you can clone from it. That way your next grow will be all female and all the same strain. If you can't time it where you can root your clones and get them into your box right as you're harvesting, then you can take your cuttings and put them in the refridgerator to put them in stasis. You can keep cuttings for up to 8 weeks by doing this.

The soil should be moist right under the surface in your cups. Make sure you've cut holes in the bottom for drainage. You don't want water gathered in your cups.

You DEFINITELY need to change your soil. Miracle Grow is not good for MJ. The Ph is around 5.0 and they run the ferts too hot. Go to Home Depot and get some Scott's or something like that with a Ph between 6.0 and 6.5. The bag should tell you how many weeks of fertilizer is mixed in the soil. Usually it's 3 weeks worth before you have to add more.

When you say that you are using a sterilite container, do you mean that it's full of soil and that's where you have your two seedlings planted? If so, you should probably make sure of the following:

  • The container needs to have drainage holes in the bottom so that water doesn't collect
  • Your soil should have sand, perlite, and/or vermiculite so that your roots can breathe
Something you may want to do is build an earthbox. It's basically a container within a container. The container sitting in the outer container will have holes drilled in the bottom so that excess water can drain but it also acts as a reservoir. You use a piece of PVC to allow you to add water to the reservoir from the top (the pipe passes through the soil in the main container through a hole that reservoir contaner.

Here's a site with some different designs. I use 5-gallon earthbuckets with aeration tubes.

http://www.seattleoil.com/Flyers/Earthbox.pdf


Good luck

PS: You should change your lights to 18/6 when they sprout. From what I understand, plants store energy when the lights are on and use it when the lights go off. When cloning I notice that my roots appear between the lights going off and when they come back on.

By the way, I'm not an expert, but I'm done lots of research and I'm pretty sure the info I gave you is fairly accurate.
 
Wow thanks. You just gave me a ton of valuable information. It looks like I will be changing my soil immediately. As far as the box goes it is a plastic container that has 3 drawers. I removed two draws and left the bottom one in. This is where both pots are sitting. At the very top of the container I have installed to rods that allow me to move the lights up or down. For stealth reasons I pried off the two drawer fronts and secured those back in place so it just appears to be a normal container again. Thanks again for the help I'll let you know there progress.
 

JSB99

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Wow thanks. You just gave me a ton of valuable information. It looks like I will be changing my soil immediately. As far as the box goes it is a plastic container that has 3 drawers. I removed two draws and left the bottom one in. This is where both pots are sitting. At the very top of the container I have installed to rods that allow me to move the lights up or down. For stealth reasons I pried off the two drawer fronts and secured those back in place so it just appears to be a normal container again. Thanks again for the help I'll let you know there progress.

Sure thing. RIU gave me the knowledge and I'm passing it along the best I can :)

Post picks when you get them
 

JSB99

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Here is my Set up. Any thoughts?

Drill small holes towards the bottom of the cups on the outside for drainage. Otherwise it looks pretty good. You should be able to get them started, no problem, with what you have.

Where are you going to grow them? Are you setting up a growbox inside or are you doing starts for an outside grow?
 

Am I Norml

Active Member
looking good ... you need to get rid of that foil tho...what alot of people don't know is that aluminum foil causes the lights to focus HOT spots on your plants and can kill seedlings if your not careful... better to get the lights right down on top of the cups as close as possible then to have the re focused light frying the baby's.. if you want something reflective to help out the plants just put some white paper under them...the flat white surface will reflect just as much light waves without ANY hot spots :) ... and if you want to tone down the MG potting soil mix it half and half with just regular plain potting soil from walmart or wherever and it will help keep the nutes from kicking in too quickly and also frying the plants.. bongsmilie
 
Drill small holes towards the bottom of the cups on the outside for drainage. Otherwise it looks pretty good. You should be able to get them started, no problem, with what you have.

Where are you going to grow them? Are you setting up a growbox inside or are you doing starts for an outside grow?

This idea might be a little difficult for my very first grow. However, I plan on trying LST (I believe thats what it is called) and slowly bend the plant around the pot. I was hoping to grow the plant in this container. Its hard to tell from the pictures but the container is much larger on the inside. That was just the first two levels.
 
looking good ... you need to get rid of that foil tho...what alot of people don't know is that aluminum foil causes the lights to focus HOT spots on your plants and can kill seedlings if your not careful... better to get the lights right down on top of the cups as close as possible then to have the re focused light frying the baby's.. if you want something reflective to help out the plants just put some white paper under them...the flat white surface will reflect just as much light waves without ANY hot spots :) ... and if you want to tone down the MG potting soil mix it half and half with just regular plain potting soil from walmart or wherever and it will help keep the nutes from kicking in too quickly and also frying the plants.. bongsmilie
Thanks for the tips. Hopefully this grow will turn out better now that I have made some changes
 

Am I Norml

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Thanks for the tips. Hopefully this grow will turn out better now that I have made some changes
well im a ghetto grower and i don't believe you have to blow a ton of money on a grow in order to have killer weed... so if you have any questions by all means ask ill help you as best i can :bigjoint:
 

JSB99

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This idea might be a little difficult for my very first grow. However, I plan on trying LST (I believe thats what it is called) and slowly bend the plant around the pot. I was hoping to grow the plant in this container. Its hard to tell from the pictures but the container is much larger on the inside. That was just the first two levels.

What are the dimensions of the box? Looks pretty tight in there. If space is real limited, you'll probably want to flower them early so they don't get to big. You won't harvest nearly the amount, but when dealing with a tight space you have to sacrifice something.

If you're going to do LST then you may want to train them spirally in the pot (which is probably what you're referring to). You just keep training them in a circle so that it spirals around the pot. branches will grow up towards the light and you'll get buds on these.

Can't find any pics but I'm sure if you look around you'll find some. I've never done this but I've seen pics and it's really cool. Looks like it takes some work but it looks like the best method for growing in a very limited space.

PS: This is where knowing the strain is really going to come in handy. You'd want a very indica heavy strain to grow real squatty, but with bag seed you could end up with a real stretcher.
 

Am I Norml

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PS: This is where knowing the strain is really going to come in handy. You'd want a very indica heavy strain to grow real squatty, but with bag seed you could end up with a real stretcher.
if he uses cfl's for the grow and then keeps them right down on top of the plant(2 to 3 inches away) it will cause the plant to be short and stocky no matter what and will also allow for more manageable growth also :blsmoke:
 

JSB99

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well im a ghetto grower and i don't believe you have to blow a ton of money on a grow in order to have killer weed... so if you have any questions by all means ask ill help you as best i can :bigjoint:

I absolutely agree.

However, you do have to spend some money for upgrades when you want to increase your yields or potency. Unless you can use the sun, there has to be an investment in lights. CFLs work good but are definately limited.

You can spend 3 - 4 months growing in a very tight space with CFLs and you will get some buds, but personally I'd rather spend a few hundred dollars up front so that in that 3 - 4 months I have I yield that lasts me till the next one.

Plus, working with limited spaces takes a lot more time and effort. It's not something you can ignore for a day or two.

Cincinnati11, if you have the room, look into getting a metal locker from a used office supply store. You'll recognize these as something you'd find in a garage with two opening doors. These make for great grow boxes. You may have to do a lot of work with what you have. You will most likely end up with some challenges not suited for a new grower.

Just trying to help, not discourage. It's a bitch when your plants grow nice and big but run out of room. Enough to make you cry a little when there's nothing you can do about it :(
 

JSB99

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if he uses cfl's for the grow and then keeps them right down on top of the plant(2 to 3 inches away) it will cause the plant to be short and stocky no matter what and will also allow for more manageable growth also :blsmoke:

You'd definately know better than me.

So how much work can he expect for LST in a small space like that? I've done some LST when I ran out of space with an agressive grower and I was tending to it almost every day. That was my first grow. Since then I have learned a lot and now I leave my plants alone for days at a time. I've got a 6 bucket hydro setup in one closet and a 4 earthbuckets in another. In the beginning I didn't mind messing around with the plants everyday but after a few grows it really became a hassle.

It's just something to consider.
 

Am I Norml

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I absolutely agree.

However, you do have to spend some money for upgrades when you want to increase your yields or potency. Unless you can use the sun, there has to be an investment in lights. CFLs work good but are definitely limited.

You can spend 3 - 4 months growing in a very tight space with CFLs and you will get some buds, but personally I'd rather spend a few hundred dollars up front so that in that 3 - 4 months I have I yield that lasts me till the next one.

Plus, working with limited spaces takes a lot more time and effort. It's not something you can ignore for a day or two.

Cincinnati11, if you have the room, look into getting a metal locker from a used office supply store. You'll recognize these as something you'd find in a garage with two opening doors. These make for great grow boxes. You may have to do a lot of work with what you have. You will most likely end up with some challenges not suited for a new grower.

Just trying to help, not discourage. It's a bitch when your plants grow nice and big but run out of room. Enough to make you cry a little when there's nothing you can do about it :(
lol cfl's are only as limiting as you want them to be...i have 3 Super Skunk's and a Moroccan Kief plant in my grow as we speak and i guarantee they don't think those CFL's are so limited :-| its all in how they are applied to the grow and also what spectrum's your using for what stage of growth
i used to use big high powered lights and i used to run SOG ...you know what i noticed the most...high electric bills that caused me no end to the paranoia of when the cops was gonna be raiding me for hot-spots in my house or outrageous power bills... i run the equivalent of a 600 watt metal halide right now and it costs me hardly squat on my bill and doesn't fuck up the heat signature of my home:)
for a first time grow this dude is doing good ...he needs to learn and this will definitely teach him... Ive found over the years ...the best grows are the ghetto grows :)
 

Am I Norml

Active Member
You'd definately know better than me.

So how much work can he expect for LST in a small space like that? I've done some LST when I ran out of space with an agressive grower and I was tending to it almost every day. That was my first grow. Since then I have learned a lot and now I leave my plants alone for days at a time. I've got a 6 bucket hydro setup in one closet and a 4 earthbuckets in another. In the beginning I didn't mind messing around with the plants everyday but after a few grows it really became a hassle.

It's just something to consider.
i think lst can be a real life saver as far as height requirements go but i also like the screen method also ...less stressful really...

as long as he keeps in mind the minute he goes to flower he will get about 2 more feet of plant and plans for that i think he will be ok...
 

JSB99

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lol cfl's are only as limiting as you want them to be...i have 3 Super Skunk's and a Moroccan Kief plant in my grow as we speak and i guarantee they don't think those CFL's are so limited :-| its all in how they are applied to the grow and also what spectrum's your using for what stage of growth
i used to use big high powered lights and i used to run SOG ...you know what i noticed the most...high electric bills that caused me no end to the paranoia of when the cops was gonna be raiding me for hot-spots in my house or outrageous power bills... i run the equivalent of a 600 watt metal halide right now and it costs me hardly squat on my bill and doesn't fuck up the heat signature of my home:)
for a first time grow this dude is doing good ...he needs to learn and this will definitely teach him... Ive found over the years ...the best grows are the ghetto grows :)

Quick question: you probably use the daylight CFLs (5500k) when vegging, but do you switch to a warmer CFL when flowering or are the floro's spectrum full enough to give good flowering results?
 

riddleme

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yeah cfl's are great, the trick is matching the lights to the plants, most folks don't get this???
 
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