First time organic grower in need of some help!!

OCD_OG

OCD_OG

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First time using a super soil and growing organically. I'm three weeks into veg and all of a sudden every plant of mine has drooping fan leaves that are slightly twisted, and the new growth is very thin/skinny. I transplanted about a week ago into a super soil with Roots 707 as a base then I added Kelp Meal, Organically Done Organic Bloom and Azomite. Followed amendment application rates down to a T. When I water I use tap water that's sat out at least three days while being aerated, and my waters ph is a constant 6.4 with a ph run off around 6.3-6.5. The ppm in the run is high because of the super soil, around 1800+, and I water every 4-5 days and saturate the soil till there is about 20% runoff. Every third watering I use a beneficial tea.
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The temps are never higher than 78* with a rh around 55%. I'm running two 600w HID lights, one MH one HPS. Both fixtures are about 2 ft. away from the conopy. I have two oscillating fans that move air over the conopy doing my best to not have the fans blowing directly on the plants. I'm growing in a 4x8 tent without CO2 supplementation, but the tent gets plenty of fresh air and the air exchange is solid.

Any insight would be helpful as to what's happening with my plants. Thank you very much and good growing to all!!
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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OCD_OG said:
First time using a super soil and growing organically. I'm three weeks into veg and all of a sudden every plant of mine has drooping fan leaves that are slightly twisted, and the new growth is very thin/skinny. I transplanted about a week ago into a super soil with Roots 707 as a base then I added Kelp Meal, Organically Done Organic Bloom and Azomite. Followed amendment application rates down to a T. When I water I use tap water that's sat out at least three days while being aerated, and my waters ph is a constant 6.4 with a ph run off around 6.3-6.5. The ppm in the run is high because of the super soil, around 1800+, and I water every 4-5 days and saturate the soil till there is about 20% runoff. Every third watering I use a beneficial tea.
Environment
The temps are never higher than 78* with a rh around 55%. I'm running two 600w HID lights, one MH one HPS. Both fixtures are about 2 ft. away from the conopy. I have two oscillating fans that move air over the conopy doing my best to not have the fans blowing directly on the plants. I'm growing in a 4x8 tent without CO2 supplementation, but the tent gets plenty of fresh air and the air exchange is solid.

Any insight would be helpful as to what's happening with my plants. Thank you very much and good growing to all!!
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what sort on beneficial tea are you using?
remember the 707 is already fortified...
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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OCD_OG said:
It's called stump tea from Htgs. It's a beneficial bacteria and mycorrhiza soil inoculant
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ok, cool, so no NPK on it correct?
reason I ask is i'm fairly confident you simply have too much nutrients in the soil, probably potassium in specific, and probably locking out calcium, which is giving you the symptoms you described.
the 707 is already amended, and already good to go out of the bag

and again. is your soil layered with more nutrients at the bottom?
 
OCD_OG

OCD_OG

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greasemonkeymann said:
ok, cool, so no NPK on it correct?
reason I ask is i'm fairly confident you simply have too much nutrients in the soil, probably potassium in specific, and probably locking out calcium, which is giving you the symptoms you described.
the 707 is already amended, and already good to go out of the bag

and again. is your soil layered with more nutrients at the bottom?
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Sorry for being vague...no, all the amendments are mixed into the 707 soil. I know that the 707 soil is considered "hot" and I had a sneaky suspicion that the soil may be too hot for my plants as soon as I noticed the leaves curl in.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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OCD_OG said:
So what, just give the girls a couple good waterings/semi-flushs? Should I use an enzyme or RO water or anything like that for a couple waterings?
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well...
if its manifesting itself this quickly, it's probably not a conducive soil mix..
i'd be a lil concerned..
reason I don't like watering it out is that it can leech out too much, or simply cause the soil to sort of get denser.
what I would do is a lil extreme.. but i'd take one of the plants, and gently dig around the rootball, and see if it's growing into the new soil at all, oftentimes the soil can prune the roots to where it won't even grow into the new soil.
if that's the case i'd yank em all out, empty out the too-rich soil and cut it with equal amounts of 707.
so dilute it, so to speak.
but I don't like to try and water out the nutrients, it can create other issues
you could try and water it out, you may be ok, just if that's the course you want to take, I'd go with small amounts of water, frequently over the course of a day.
until the runoff isn't dark.
but too much water at once makes the soil settle, and the aeration goes to the top, the dense stuff goes to the bottom, which only exacerbates the issues
 
OCD_OG

OCD_OG

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greasemonkeymann said:
well...
if its manifesting itself this quickly, it's probably not a conducive soil mix..
i'd be a lil concerned..
reason I don't like watering it out is that it can leech out too much, or simply cause the soil to sort of get denser.
what I would do is a lil extreme.. but i'd take one of the plants, and gently dig around the rootball, and see if it's growing into the new soil at all, oftentimes the soil can prune the roots to where it won't even grow into the new soil.
if that's the case i'd yank em all out, empty out the too-rich soil and cut it with equal amounts of 707.
so dilute it, so to speak.
but I don't like to try and water out the nutrients, it can create other issues
you could try and water it out, you may be ok, just if that's the course you want to take, I'd go with small amounts of water, frequently over the course of a day.
until the runoff isn't dark.
but too much water at once makes the soil settle, and the aeration goes to the top, the dense stuff goes to the bottom, which only exacerbates the issues
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Thank you very much for the insight
 
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