FLoJo's Vertical Round 3: Grand Daddy Purps + CO2 = Good Times!

1 word "beast" looks dope flo...im here.... We should do coffie or hit the red room.........out there...

thanks BAM, your shit is looking dope too.. i been watching intently for sure.. they vegged out really quickly for some purple kush it seems..

but ya bro lemme know, i live just a couple miles from the red room, if your talkin bout the one down here.. id def be down... i love to meet umm like minded individuals LOL

wheres R up date flo you just left us hangin now wake up and get some pics

i know fellas i know i have been meaning to do an update.. i went in last night to snap some pics for you guys, and then i walked in on one of my ladies drooping something bad..

turns out i have a mild case of root rot from some mildly excessive temps so i spent all night literally taking care of it.. i have some pics to update but i am dog ass tired..

i dunked all the bad looking ones in a 1/3 35 percent h202 2/3 water mixture, then rinsed them out and set them aside..

then i threw a shit ton of h202 in both res and ran it for a while, then i swapped it out with straight tap water and flushed it all out, then changed the res with some fresh nutes with hydroguard, roots excelerator and some carbo load for some beneficial bacterias.. then i thoroughly flushed the 3 bad looking ladies, and watered them with the fresh nute solution, and then sprayed em down with no wilt spray and some water.. i also trimmed up about 1/3 of the kiddos

all that literally took me 10 hours and now im pooped!

i took some pics of the rot and the wilted plants so you guys can see what all i did.

its unfortunate, but im glad it happened early as opposed to when budding sets in.. i think im going to run the temps lower, and keep the co2 high so i can keep my res in check and keep the root rot at bay. its not too bad but has already started to cause what i call day wilt, which means it is pretty far along in those particular plants (which were some of the bigger ones)

*sigh* the joys of growing LOL

damn i guess the res chiller is imperative for your next purchase huh?


im sure everything will turn around for the better....

you may want to consider supplementing your res with h2o2 every other day or each week.....

i dont like to use h2o2 unless necessary, but without your chiller, you may have to

keep us posted homie and good luck

also from what i understand, even though i havent used it (i use cannazym) that the roots excelerator is just like the cannazym as it will eat up the dead roots and make/encourage for more new profuse root growth. do i have it right? cannazym and roots excelerator is alike, no? (of course with the exception of roots excelerator being more concentrated)


if so, may have to increase the dosage, no?

I think you said your temps were around 89 on the last page, isn't that a bit high?

ya i will need to get the res chiller for sure.. and no roots excelerator is different than cannazyme.. it is a stimulator where as cannazyme is an enzyme like hydgrozime or something similar.. i may need to up the dosage, but im not gonna rely on organics to stop the outbreak of h202..

i used the h202 initially to break down and eat up whatever pythium that it could initially.. then flushed as much out as i could, and replaced with hydogard and roots excelerator to eat up and break down whatever was left for the next few days, but once i get it cleared up, i will definitely be doing heavy doses of h202 in the res, and omitting all organic products.

and to answer your question nc, my air temps were 89 which was leaving my res at about 78, and with ice packs and fans it would get down to about 75, but that was not low enough apparently (probably because it would have to be pumped up and through the system which heated it up..

so i will be keeping the co2 constant throughout the entire grow, and drop the air temps to 80, so that my res temps will be 69-70, and keep h202 pumping

so here are some pics i took last night.. as you can see for the most part everything is green and healthy, of course except for those wilted bitches LOL

you can see how the roots have a slight tan/red/brown tint to them.. this is the beginnings stages of root rot. also in some of the pictures you can see how the base of the stem is a blackish red color.. this is an advanced form of root rot which basically means the plants have been suffocating and are on their death bed unless they get some new roots!! these girls may or may not bounce back.. ill have to see in the next couple of days.

the rest of em still have a chance.. ill be keeping an eye on em, and if more start to keel over ill have to pull them all and thoroughly dunk them in h202 and figure something out..

kinda sucks but hopefully you guys can learn something from my mistakes... i dont think i will lose the crop at this point, but it really all depends on what happens in the next 3 days..

FLo

Shit, that doesnt look good. Have you isolated the problem with the unhealthy plants??

yea i took the debbie downers out of the system to see if they will recover.. and as far as isolation goes, it is infected in my whole system, so its not like taking one out will treat the problem. i treated all the plants, i just was more agressive with the ones that were drooping..

one that i put back in the system, which had a little droop looks much better today, but again it will take a couple days to see what the effects will really be.

i am going to watch them carefully, and if any more of them start to droop like that, i will take every plant out, dunk it in a half water, half 35 percent food grade h202 bath, then fresh nutes with 5ml h2o2 per gallon.. this should stop the pythium in its tracks..

i am keeping the temps low, and the res is a t 68.6 degrees right now, so at least no more pythium will be able to germinate, and i ran some very strong h202 last night through the res so hopefully that did it..

again i will not be able to know how they are doing for a few days.. this is what i have done in the past to combat root rot, and have had good results, its just a big pain in the ass

on a positive note, at least i caught it early, so it wont be devastating to my yield, but on the other hand i may lose 4-6 girls in the process. but they are bushy so i will still have a full canopy.. if they all survive LOL

FLoJo said:

ya i will need to get the res chiller for sure.. and no roots excelerator is different than cannazyme.. it is a stimulator where as cannazyme is an enzyme like hydgrozime or something similar.. i may need to up the dosage, but im not gonna rely on organics to stop the outbreak of h202..

i used the h202 initially to break down and eat up whatever pythium that it could initially.. then flushed as much out as i could, and replaced with hydogard and roots excelerator to eat up and break down whatever was left for the next few days, but once i get it cleared up, i will definitely be doing heavy doses of h202 in the res, and omitting all organic products.

and to answer your question nc, my air temps were 89 which was leaving my res at about 78, and with ice packs and fans it would get down to about 75, but that was not low enough apparently (probably because it would have to be pumped up and through the system which heated it up..

so i will be keeping the co2 constant throughout the entire grow, and drop the air temps to 80, so that my res temps will be 69-70, and keep h202 pumping

Click to expand...

i am sure you have cheak these vids out be fore but take a look at volume31 at the med grow and pretty much all the rooms he looks at

78 deegrees whith 1800ppm

http://www.urbangrower.com/

ya i have seen em before, and i have never used co2, so i cant completely compare, but i would assume a plant grown in 85 degrees with 1800 parts, would do much better than a plant grown at 75-78 degrees... (assuming you dont get root rot LOL)

again i dont know, but from what i have studied and can conclude, this would be true..

im trying to stay light hearted about the situation, but im really pissed off and hope i can turn these babies around.. usually once they start to wilt its a long sad road to death

Hey bro,

Dont know how much this will help but have seen it on a aquarium. Its rated to run on salt water which have about 25% salt content so It would run any level nute you could throw at it. and ive seen that thing run some cool temps in some 103 degree tejas heat with out having to push up the A/C too much. anyways nmaybe it will good luck bro

http://www.aquadirect.com/store/product.php?productid=20871&cat=0&page=88 seen it down to $269 on some sites says 50 gallons but bet you could push it some maybe another 15 gallons or so

ya they have those at the hydro store.. the one i want is 1hp and about 1900 bux LOL

FLoJo said:

ya i have seen em before, and i have never used co2, so i cant completely compare, but i would assume a plant grown in 85 degrees with 1800 parts, would do much better than a plant grown at 75-78 degrees... (assuming you dont get root rot LOL)

again i dont know, but from what i have studied and can conclude, this would be true..

im trying to stay light hearted about the situation, but im really pissed off and hope i can turn these babies around.. usually once they start to wilt its a long sad road to death

Click to expand...

from what i have read and you are right they should do better at higher temps

after watching that video and seeing the results they got at 78 i will be droping my temps down to around 80

my plants look great till 5th week og bloom and they went to shit running 88-93 at 1800ppm

the buds are gonna be stringy and loose as oppsed to the rock hard buds i had gotten before whithout co2 at 80degrees

hope all turns good for you

FLoJo said:

ya they have those at the hydro store.. the one i want is 1hp and about 1900 bux LOL

Click to expand...

i was talking to my hydro store about chillers to run ice boxes and he was talking about 2 hp chillers for 1600 and that included shipping from your neck of the woods so maby a bit cheaper for you.
and i BELIVE not postive but from it was from http://www.hydroinnovations.com/ they are not listed on there website but i would call the directly and they can give you the low down on exactly whats up and who they are from if not them.


if you would like i can send you the hydro store i go to website and you can give him a call. he will talk your ear off and give you a million more ideas.
lol

also price jumps up to 3and 4 hp were not that large

I seriously feel ashamed I hadn't caught this thread earlier! Just read most of it, AMAZING setup you've got there. What was your first hydro setup? Any suggestions on which setup to do first, I'd like to do hydro next grow

Sorry about your recent turn of events Hope everything gets resolved, wish I could help!

+rep for the sick vert grow!

Flojo, if h2o2 doesnt work for you...

try the last all out option....aka the NUKE!

its call Physan 20

its some super concentrated stuff but it WILL eradicate all the pythium and ANYTHING else you have in there

boston george 54 said:

i was talking to my hydro store about chillers to run ice boxes and he was talking about 2 hp chillers for 1600 and that included shipping from your neck of the woods so maby a bit cheaper for you.
and i BELIVE not postive but from it was from http://www.hydroinnovations.com/ they are not listed on there website but i would call the directly and they can give you the low down on exactly whats up and who they are from if not them.


if you would like i can send you the hydro store i go to website and you can give him a call. he will talk your ear off and give you a million more ideas.
lol

also price jumps up to 3and 4 hp were not that large

Click to expand...

correct!

hydro innovations has collaborated with somebody/company i blv to sell you chillers and the icebox...and i blv at a somewhat discounted rate as well.