FlowaMasta's Methodology @ How to Grow Monster pound plants!!! ( Jack H X Skunk )

flowamasta

flowamasta

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Here we are!!! Day 34, Put my dual spec son-t agro lamp in, no more 2nd HPS as to keep temps and stress down while the dual spec lamp kranks the trichs out!!! You may be able to see the colour change just from my pics alone. I also have 3 babies that are already rooted growing slowly and really healthy, the 1 in the middle was a clone off a broken clone after i dropped the orange pot and nearly lost 6 of them. The bigger 2 are in the running for the throne :)

Day 34 Flowering. Oh my aren't we getting big already!!! super heavy medium dense colas. Man oh man i think i've done it again. Enjoy erb lovers!!!



Gotta love this over-head shot!!! somebody count the heads!!!

 
cONkey

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64 Heads! ooh la la i see some cinnimin pistils. with the thick density of your colas how are you going to handle humidity at this point to avoid potential bud rot and mould ? i had some super dense budslike that on my casey , she was fine in the tent and up to chop...but got the mould on the dry deep inside by the stem.
 
flowamasta

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cONkey said:
64 Heads! ooh la la i see some cinnimin pistils. with the thick density of your colas how are you going to handle humidity at this point to avoid potential bud rot and mould ? i had some super dense budslike that on my casey , she was fine in the tent and up to chop...but got the mould on the dry deep inside by the stem.
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Lol :) they always go brown early on me, im always close to harvest within 50-55 days. Luck us, we've never had a mould issue, always told to use as much circulation inside the tent as possible. You won't see wet leaves or dripping tents with enough exhaust and a way to rid if the humidity, i just have a sheet of cardboard next to my filter and fan combo to stop the heat from getting sucked back in, it leads to the doorway no more than 3 feet away, with 2 fans (1 tower, 1 mini) blowing the air upwards into another exhaust duct going into the roof where my 2nd carbon filter is.
I run my filters on the outside of the tent so the fan works more efficiently at the tent side and blows through the filters with the extraction fan mounted directly on the filter, with simple ducting going to the side of my air-cooled hood. I tried the top and it sucked too much heat out so i was glad the side duct ports are there! I like my tent around 28-30 degrees which is hot by some standards, but my setup loves it :)

Humidity is currently at 47% and will drop to around 37-40% further into the night. (day period) It is very hot and muggy weather!!! they wont get too much bigger, filling out has begun i can drop my base right down to 50% and nothing else but swell and Blueberry nectar.

Are you sure it didn't mould while drying? if you have big dense buds it all depends on how you chop them down to dry efficiently. I know not to leave dense colas whole to dry, it just isnt practical. Possible, but not the best idea cause you cant really see into the buds. If you chop them down to dry, you can check them, and bunch them all together to dry at an even pace.
 
Shaggn

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flowamasta said:
Here we are!!! Day 34, Put my dual spec son-t agro lamp in, no more 2nd HPS as to keep temps and stress down while the dual spec lamp kranks the trichs out!!! You may be able to see the colour change just from my pics alone. I also have 3 babies that are already rooted growing slowly and really healthy, the 1 in the middle was a clone off a broken clone after i dropped the orange pot and nearly lost 6 of them. The bigger 2 are in the running for the throne :)

Day 34 Flowering. Oh my aren't we getting big already!!! super heavy medium dense colas. Man oh man i think i've done it again. Enjoy erb lovers!!!


Gotta love this over-head shot!!! somebody count the heads!!!

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That is awesomeness. Day 34 haha, crazy.. How is the smell at the moment? I see one hole you might be able to squeeze another head in there lol, over by the fan. :) Oh ya, did you get her stabilized or is she still trying to lean on ya. I see a chain in the bottom left side, is that her stabilizer lol. Don't remember seeing the chain in your previous pics.

flowamasta said:
I run my filters on the outside of the tent so the fan works more efficiently at the tent side and blows through the filters with the extraction fan mounted directly on the filter, with simple ducting going to the side of my air-cooled hood. I tried the top and it sucked too much heat out so i was glad the side duct ports are there! I like my tent around 28-30 degrees which is hot by some standards, but my setup loves it :)
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Was that in your winter time that extracting out the top removes to much heat? Or just all together top extraction does. I'm still trying to decide for side or top extraction. Mine will be vented outside through window set-up and not into the room my tent is in. I can easily change it around but if my temps start to dip to low I will just add some bends to slow my air extraction. I guess for to hot I could just put in sections of straight pipe for minimal air flow restriction. Will find out very soon lol. (first time using a air cooled hood) Peace!!
 
eastcoastmo

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flowamasta said:
Here we are!!! Day 34, Put my dual spec son-t agro lamp in, no more 2nd HPS as to keep temps and stress down while the dual spec lamp kranks the trichs out!!! You may be able to see the colour change just from my pics alone. I also have 3 babies that are already rooted growing slowly and really healthy, the 1 in the middle was a clone off a broken clone after i dropped the orange pot and nearly lost 6 of them. The bigger 2 are in the running for the throne :)

Day 34 Flowering. Oh my aren't we getting big already!!! super heavy medium dense colas. Man oh man i think i've done it again. Enjoy erb lovers!!!



Gotta love this over-head shot!!! somebody count the heads!!!

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Woah Flowa she is pure magic :-) those heads look like they are slightly thicker than last time too! And look at that resin production :drool:

Two quick questions bro- what brand of dual spec bulb do you use? Sunmaster? And what type is it?

And with your clone setup, how often do you have the water pump water the rockwool? would love to see more pics of how its setup as i'll need to get something similar :)
 
Campo Cultivator

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Awesome mate absolutly awesome !!!! I use a similar set up to you but have a larger co-co mix hand watered to waste tho I would just Have to add a overhead feed and I could convert the home made system to copy yours so you only vegged for a month from clone ? I must take the time to read thru all of this journal
 
Campo Cultivator

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Like I said it wouldnt take a lot to convert it and yes brother I use leds
Theres a couple of things I would need to dial in like how do you stop the perlite getting through to the res and change the tubing and stuff to go to a res rarther than waste
but yeah possible lol I have all the kit to do it some pretty stiff competition me be thinking :)
we would both need to start with the same genetics tho and agree how many watts we were going to use in what area but yeah could be cool ;)
 
flowamasta

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Shaggn said:
That is awesomeness. Day 34 haha, crazy.. How is the smell at the moment? I see one hole you might be able to squeeze another head in there lol, over by the fan. :) Oh ya, did you get her stabilized or is she still trying to lean on ya. I see a chain in the bottom left side, is that her stabilizer lol. Don't remember seeing the chain in your previous pics.



Was that in your winter time that extracting out the top removes to much heat? Or just all together top extraction does. I'm still trying to decide for side or top extraction. Mine will be vented outside through window set-up and not into the room my tent is in. I can easily change it around but if my temps start to dip to low I will just add some bends to slow my air extraction. I guess for to hot I could just put in sections of straight pipe for minimal air flow restriction. Will find out very soon lol. (first time using a air cooled hood) Peace!!
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LOL :) she smells pretty bad, not as bad as last round but i have changed my filter and fan setup again to be more efficient.
lol on squeezing another head in there!! but honestly there needs to be some gaps to allow air flow to come up enough, as cool air settles quickly its harder to push it up above the canopy. I found that having my hood on an angle and the ducting going up to the roof of the tent and then going down again into a filter was just too much for the fans, they blew way too hard and almost sucking the sides of my tent poles in and shaking my tent. Hot air rises and would immediately get pulled out of the tent because the suction was so strong (2 extraction fans pulling air right out), so having the ducting going straight out the side and next to the tent near my doorway has made the airflow more smooth and my intake now matches my exhaust and breathes really relaxed. Air is being moved really well, and my used carbon air all goes in my roof, i notice a huge difference in humidity since doing this this round, especially with the hot weather. The air-cooled hood gets warm enough to get a consistent 28 degrees. Some heat will benefit being at the top of the tent. All vents on my tent are open except for duct holes and whatnot. Only the Breather vents ( square ) at the bottom should be open, i open a small gap in top of my tent to wash the warmer air around to circulate and keep consistent.

The chain i removed from the 2nd light, i still haven't completely removed it but it no longer runs. I do a huge cleanup just before harvest so i can get the room ready and clean again for drying. It is used for holding her up, mainly through the red netting to help pull that side over and up a little. She has stopped leaning i think, i moved the pot back about 5 inches!!!! just to line the tops up again. Nothing i haven't already done before, but something to always look out for if newb grower. She is easily heavy enough to pull the tent down. so i have to manage the weight as you can imagine. I used to use copper wire to help stabilize.

eastcoastmo said:
Woah Flowa she is pure magic :-) those heads look like they are slightly thicker than last time too! And look at that resin production :drool:

Two quick questions bro- what brand of dual spec bulb do you use? Sunmaster? And what type is it?

And with your clone setup, how often do you have the water pump water the rockwool? would love to see more pics of how its setup as i'll need to get something similar :)
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My bulb now is a dual spec Phillips son-t agro i bought a box of them a while ago the first packaged ones which have the spectrum graph. They emit 30% more blues going into the 380-420 wavelength equivalent to UV (ultra-violet) The lamp runs a little warmer due to running both red and blue spectrums but i always notice a massive difference in plant vigor after swapping over. HPS will make tighter heavier and shorter flowers, while the Blue side of the lamp will make for more flavour and resin because the blue with the lamp will simulate the start of Autumn. And will secrete her sugars more quickly and start to use her stored energy. She will finish Fast.
I feed my rockwool babies just via filling a jug and watering the perlite surrounding the cubes once a day not to drench them but just enough to moisten, around 2-3 litres of mild week feed to wash it through, the small orange pot works exactly the same way as my 2 pot system, with a plastic tray that sits off the bottom and has holes allowing for drainage. i just tip it up holding the babies and the hole in the side drains the waste. ( only difference being drain to waste for now. ) I want them growing super slow to gain a nice tight root ball. The thicker the rootball the quicker it will take off when it hits the perlite under HPS.

:)


Campo Cultivator said:
Awesome mate absolutly awesome !!!! I use a similar set up to you but have a larger co-co mix hand watered to waste tho I would just Have to add a overhead feed and I could convert the home made system to copy yours so you only vegged for a month from clone ? I must take the time to read thru all of this journal
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Thanx mate :) yes i vegged for only 28 days sometimes 29, this was a nice size clone when she went in that i had starting the same was as you see me babies.
Feel free to have a good read!!

eastcoastmo said:
Do you use LED's to grow Campo? Would be awesome if you copied Flowas system and did a comparison ;)
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I remember 'Curly' used LED and copied my system, he yielded great and alot more than he could imagine with LED's They grew super fast in perlite as well! The perlite is the KEY!!! the Holy Hydro Secret :p
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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Campo Cultivator said:
Like I said it wouldnt take a lot to convert it and yes brother I use leds
Theres a couple of things I would need to dial in like how do you stop the perlite getting through to the res and change the tubing and stuff to go to a res rarther than waste
but yeah possible lol I have all the kit to do it some pretty stiff competition me be thinking :)
we would both need to start with the same genetics tho and agree how many watts we were going to use in what area but yeah could be cool ;)
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Pot sok :) it is like plastic fabric with holes in the bottom, and it holds all the medium in from falling into the outer pot which has the return line (gravity feed) back to a secure bottom location on the outside of the nutrient res. Your feed line should also becoming out of the outside so you have to make fittings like a bong but TIGHT and completely sealed. Your pump will have to have a short bit of tubing inside the res going to the feed line, try to set it so the pump is on one side and the return is on the other, this will help with flow.

hope that helps
:)
 
Cococola36

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dudeeee wow, just wow, i honestly haven't checked on your thread in a bit and when I saw your most recent link I said bingo lol....Awesome job!!! :clap: Way back i took your advice and tho a little different using pro mix hp and a 7 gal smart pot i did train a super lemon haze to beast out a mere 10 o's :D , not quite your caliber but i was happy. I now do more plants at once in a 6 x 12ft area so next run i am thinking of doing a few hempy buckets close to your style and doing fewer bigger monsters like these...Just hope i can compare hahaha tried to give you more rep but they wouldn't let me
 
eastcoastmo

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flowamasta said:
LOL :) she smells pretty bad, not as bad as last round but i have changed my filter and fan setup again to be more efficient.
lol on squeezing another head in there!! but honestly there needs to be some gaps to allow air flow to come up enough, as cool air settles quickly its harder to push it up above the canopy. I found that having my hood on an angle and the ducting going up to the roof of the tent and then going down again into a filter was just too much for the fans, they blew way too hard and almost sucking the sides of my tent poles in and shaking my tent. Hot air rises and would immediately get pulled out of the tent because the suction was so strong (2 extraction fans pulling air right out), so having the ducting going straight out the side and next to the tent near my doorway has made the airflow more smooth and my intake now matches my exhaust and breathes really relaxed. Air is being moved really well, and my used carbon air all goes in my roof, i notice a huge difference in humidity since doing this this round, especially with the hot weather. The air-cooled hood gets warm enough to get a consistent 28 degrees. Some heat will benefit being at the top of the tent. All vents on my tent are open except for duct holes and whatnot. Only the Breather vents ( square ) at the bottom should be open, i open a small gap in top of my tent to wash the warmer air around to circulate and keep consistent.

The chain i removed from the 2nd light, i still haven't completely removed it but it no longer runs. I do a huge cleanup just before harvest so i can get the room ready and clean again for drying. It is used for holding her up, mainly through the red netting to help pull that side over and up a little. She has stopped leaning i think, i moved the pot back about 5 inches!!!! just to line the tops up again. Nothing i haven't already done before, but something to always look out for if newb grower. She is easily heavy enough to pull the tent down. so i have to manage the weight as you can imagine. I used to use copper wire to help stabilize.


My bulb now is a dual spec Phillips son-t agro i bought a box of them a while ago the first packaged ones which have the spectrum graph. They emit 30% more blues going into the 380-420 wavelength equivalent to UV (ultra-violet) The lamp runs a little warmer due to running both red and blue spectrums but i always notice a massive difference in plant vigor after swapping over. HPS will make tighter heavier and shorter flowers, while the Blue side of the lamp will make for more flavour and resin because the blue with the lamp will simulate the start of Autumn. And will secrete her sugars more quickly and start to use her stored energy. She will finish Fast.
I feed my rockwool babies just via filling a jug and watering the perlite surrounding the cubes once a day not to drench them but just enough to moisten, around 2-3 litres of mild week feed to wash it through, the small orange pot works exactly the same way as my 2 pot system, with a plastic tray that sits off the bottom and has holes allowing for drainage. i just tip it up holding the babies and the hole in the side drains the waste. ( only difference being drain to waste for now. ) I want them growing super slow to gain a nice tight root ball. The thicker the rootball the quicker it will take off when it hits the perlite under HPS.

:)



Thanx mate :) yes i vegged for only 28 days sometimes 29, this was a nice size clone when she went in that i had starting the same was as you see me babies.
Feel free to have a good read!!


I remember 'Curly' used LED and copied my system, he yielded great and alot more than he could imagine with LED's They grew super fast in perlite as well! The perlite is the KEY!!! the Holy Hydro Secret :p
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Sweet as bro, thanks again hey, you always provide such amazing detail :)
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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Cococola36 said:
dudeeee wow, just wow, i honestly haven't checked on your thread in a bit and when I saw your most recent link I said bingo lol....Awesome job!!! :clap: Way back i took your advice and tho a little different using pro mix hp and a 7 gal smart pot i did train a super lemon haze to beast out a mere 10 o's :D , not quite your caliber but i was happy. I now do more plants at once in a 6 x 12ft area so next run i am thinking of doing a few hempy buckets close to your style and doing fewer bigger monsters like these...Just hope i can compare hahaha tried to give you more rep but they wouldn't let me
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Woo Hoo :) Glad i made such an impression! it sounds like you may not be 100% keen on the whole 100% perlite idea?? is there something that doesn't sound right or you want to query anything perhaps? MOST hydro shops wont talk of perlite much especially the 100 litre bags you need to fill 2 pots ( mine is only 1 ofcourse ) The reason being is they dont make enough money for the size and load they require. Coco is a huge money maker for them, think of this.... a 50 litre coco bag is NOT going to fill a 50 litre pot, 50 litres of perlite easily will..... Perlite also holds no germs or bugs, and is practically as clean as you want to keep it. 50 litres of coco : $30 ... 100 litres of coarse perlite = $30 + i can cut my veg time considerably because roots have a much harder time adjusting to crappy coco compared to perlite. I really am trying to get this out there as if you want the fastest growing medium there is, then no question perlite wins in the garden. Cannabis is a 'softwood' plant and therefore will require a more airy medium for faster more vigorous growth. Something like a pine tree is 'hardwood' and will require MUCH less oxygen and therefore something like sand will be no problem. Hardware stores sell perlite, look hard or ask as to get in large bags as down the isles they usually only have small bags for cloning and such.

You will have no problem comparing :) Feel free to post some pics pre-op ;) 2 plants will fill that area faster than you could ever imagine with good lighting and reflective sides. The thing is, once you go past that 3rd week when they start to look big...... look out, because if yo dont manage them early in my system, they grow to the roof in the same time i veg in ;)

eastcoastmo said:
Sweet as bro, thanks again hey, you always provide such amazing detail :)
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no one could copy otherwise ;) That goes for all~! I don't think there is much left out, if anyone has any questions shootem at me, i'll get back to you by tomorrow
 
arandomhero05

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i def agree with ya flowa....just started using 100% perlite in all my hydro systems after reading your threads and it is waaay cheaper and waaay better than hydroton or coco....plants love it.
 
Mohican

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What is the max amount of Hydroton I can mix with the perlite? I have a whole bag I need to use up :)
 
flowamasta

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arandomhero05 said:
i def agree with ya flowa....just started using 100% perlite in all my hydro systems after reading your threads and it is waaay cheaper and waaay better than hydroton or coco....plants love it.
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Now thats awesome!! I love a good comparison!

thanx for that man, a great addition to my thread.

Mohican said:
What is the max amount of Hydroton I can mix with the perlite? I have a whole bag I need to use up :)
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i wouldnt go more than 10% to keep moisture levels optimum. Hydroton stays just a little too wet for speedy growth,
 
flowamasta

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Young Contemporary Peter said:
Any help? This is my current grow, last post on page 4 is what it looks like currently. Help? :P

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/593739-cfls-week-2-3-2-a-5.html
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Thats really not much of a way to ask. Yeah, Hi, who are you? and asking for help using only cfls.....
Tip no.1 Get some better lighting.
Tip no.2 Learn some manners.

Ok then, sorry been away for a couple of days, been really busy, i got a beautiful update for you all!! here is day 37 Flowering.

Resin is in peak production now. There is no stopping her. She doesn't even need any more food, but she gets her 50% strength feed this week, and dilute down until the last week or so of flushing :) not long now!!! She is very weighty. density is quite remarkable to, so i have got plenty of weight in there.

enjoy!!! Base Bloom A+B @ 50% strength. Silica @ 2ml., swell @ 2ml, blueberry nectar @ 2.5ml. The room smells quite subtle at the moment, but i can smell hints of pure dank creeping out now and then, the filters are doing a pretty good job, not that i'm out much lately. It is a battle to keep humidity down, its hangin in at around 65% which is ok for now, but cannot let it get higher so my ventilation has been turned up a notch all round to give the plant some evaporation.

 
dcasper75

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hey flowa nice update man those colas look like there getting massive and looks like there really nicely coverd in crystalls looks like grade A++++++ lol id love to have a teacher like u in person but for now i learn ur way thru here wen i get my set up going ill be doing ur exact set up only diff is not haveing dual carbon filters and a stand that my scrog net willl be connected to but iam working on getting everything just like u i love ur setup man with the nutes u use tho how long can u store them only reason i ask is buy now use later kinda thing kinda getting peice by piece wen i got the money
 
eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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flowamasta said:
Thats really not much of a way to ask. Yeah, Hi, who are you? and asking for help using only cfls.....
Tip no.1 Get some better lighting.
Tip no.2 Learn some manners.

Ok then, sorry been away for a couple of days, been really busy, i got a beautiful update for you all!! here is day 37 Flowering.

Resin is in peak production now. There is no stopping her. She doesn't even need any more food, but she gets her 50% strength feed this week, and dilute down until the last week or so of flushing :) not long now!!! She is very weighty. density is quite remarkable to, so i have got plenty of weight in there.

enjoy!!! Base Bloom A+B @ 50% strength. Silica @ 2ml., swell @ 2ml, blueberry nectar @ 2.5ml. The room smells quite subtle at the moment, but i can smell hints of pure dank creeping out now and then, the filters are doing a pretty good job, not that i'm out much lately. It is a battle to keep humidity down, its hangin in at around 65% which is ok for now, but cannot let it get higher so my ventilation has been turned up a notch all round to give the plant some evaporation.

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Maaaaate that is some seriously beautiful bud porn bro :-)
Do you by chance have a pic of your last grow at this time you could put up for a comparison? Im leaning towards these buds being a fair bit denser than your last grow hey! I love it man. The Masta is in action, stand to attention :-)
 
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