FlowaMasta's Methodology @ How to Grow Monster pound plants!!! ( Jack H X Skunk )

Day 18 Veg!! Jack Herer X Old School Skunk!!! she's getting big quick!! and would you look at that!! I guessed my PH adjusters spot on by the looks!! I wish i had one to check actually just to record down for future reference! She grew an outstanding 3-4 inches since last night and her node spacing is absolutely out of this world I couldn't be happier!! Her nodes are so close together they overlap on the same branch. Thats crazy growth if i do say so myself!

So without further delay. No it's not some fantasy Journal But real life Hydroponic Super-growth!! 18 days and i'm good to clone.



A bit of an artsy pic for Mo

Holy crap dude she's exploded!! Looking so good dude

Hey flowa. my plants don't seem to be rinking much water in my DWC.. Any ideas?? They seem to be healthy other than being to cloe together but that's due to the getting bigger then i' anticipated.. Your plant looks GREAT as usual!!!

eastcoastmo said:

Holy crap dude she's exploded!! Looking so good dude

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lol, you wait thanx for being here for the ride!

Downinit said:

Hey flowa. my plants don't seem to be rinking much water in my DWC.. Any ideas?? They seem to be healthy other than being to cloe together but that's due to the getting bigger then i' anticipated.. Your plant looks GREAT as usual!!!

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much water? how much is that ? it does depend on the size of the plant/ and or how many, Having the plants close together can create a more humid environment, hows the humidity? If under 60% you should be safe as when the plants get thicker the humidity rises when the lights turn off. They will retain more water and use less. Not always a bad thing either, if you are getting good growth then don't worry to much if its to crowded and you have spindly shoots here and there, clean it up a bit and let the big ones grow better, you can only be rewarded for helping the plant breathe and in an indoor environment its harder to create a good airflow.

Thanks flowa!! You always make me feel better! My humidity is about 55% with temps around 76F. I've been afraid to do to much clipping as they are in week 4 of flower so not sure when or even if was a good idea to trim??? Figured I'd ask the masta!! As for water i'm using one 15L bucket and two 11L buckets and between the three every 3 days i add almost 4L total... Seems they should be drinking more than that but, i'm not sure Airflow seems to be good as i can feel the air flow when i stand behind the plants. Any thoughts Masta?


much water? how much is that ? it does depend on the size of the plant/ and or how many, Having the plants close together can create a more humid environment, hows the humidity? If under 60% you should be safe as when the plants get thicker the humidity rises when the lights turn off. They will retain more water and use less. Not always a bad thing either, if you are getting good growth then don't worry to much if its to crowded and you have spindly shoots here and there, clean it up a bit and let the big ones grow better, you can only be rewarded for helping the plant breathe and in an indoor environment its harder to create a good airflow.[/QUOTE]

flowamasta said:

lol, you wait thanx for being here for the ride!


much water? how much is that ? it does depend on the size of the plant/ and or how many, Having the plants close together can create a more humid environment, hows the humidity? If under 60% you should be safe as when the plants get thicker the humidity rises when the lights turn off. They will retain more water and use less. Not always a bad thing either, if you are getting good growth then don't worry to much if its to crowded and you have spindly shoots here and there, clean it up a bit and let the big ones grow better, you can only be rewarded for helping the plant breathe and in an indoor environment its harder to create a good airflow.

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Bro, i'll be following all the way hey! Love watching your grows and the methodology you use, you treat them they way they need to be treated and they reward you with the finest buds ever

You do great work again and again. You inspire and challenge new growers to step up to the game. I love watching your grows. You have an unique system that works pretty well. Your system is so easy to work with next to flood and drain systems. Keep up the good work

Downinit said:

Thanks flowa!! You always make me feel better! My humidity is about 55% with temps around 76F. I've been afraid to do to much clipping as they are in week 4 of flower so not sure when or even if was a good idea to trim??? Figured I'd ask the masta!! As for water i'm using one 15L bucket and two 11L buckets and between the three every 3 days i add almost 4L total... Seems they should be drinking more than that but, i'm not sure Airflow seems to be good as i can feel the air flow when i stand behind the plants. Any thoughts Masta?

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hmmmm what kind of lighting are you hammering the plants with? More light can = more needed water and in most cases is the biggest factor from what i've seen. I wouldn't worry so much if you have some pics, throw up a couple may give me a better idea...

Oh and the medium you are using again? sorry if i forgot, medium plays a huge factor also.... really so many variables as to why i stick with a fairly similar medium structure each grow only differing in the amount of hydroton vs perlite i use, both work fairly similar but Hydroton holds more water, so you want that at the bottom where the tracer roots will end up, you don't want a clogged rootball. A Quality rootball will grow a quality plant, and perlite has no give whatsoever so it just pushes the rockwool apart and splits it open and eventually just explodes into a massive trunk Think of it as Lube for your plane hehe (perlite) and in life friction is rarely a good thing....

eastcoastmo said:

Bro, i'll be following all the way hey! Love watching your grows and the methodology you use, you treat them they way they need to be treated and they reward you with the finest buds ever

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Thanx a million I do feel rewarded each time, i tell myself off for bragging to my mrs all the time i can't stop growing now can i?! gotta keep the quality coming until my methods rub off some more But i do think i've made a small dent.

inhaleindica said:

You do great work again and again. You inspire and challenge new growers to step up to the game. I love watching your grows. You have an unique system that works pretty well. Your system is so easy to work with next to flood and drain systems. Keep up the good work

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Thankx alot man! very awsomely appreciated! I get lost for words sometimes, and amazed at all the crazy feedback! I love it and wouldn't be doing it without all the awesome company! I have an update coming shortly, i had a peek...... I have to share. It's only manners

Back in a little bit. With all this positive energy Jack skunk will ooze with potency!!!

Ok! We're a couple of days into adding Cyco's XL and already the transformation has begun

I have started to clean up a little of the spindly growth underneath which will not only help with airflow but will help transfer energy to the tips closest to the light. From tips to glass distance is now at 65 cm. I will clone tomorrow by the looks of this. That will leave ample time for a nice recovery and plenty of time to train into my net once i put that in.

Lets see her shall we!

Day 20 Veg.

Looking good as always flo, an inspiration for many!

Wow Flowa that XL really makes her take off hey. And she looks so green too! Perfect man

so what pH do you have to have during the XL treatment? I'd imagine it would be pretty low if its super phosphoric acid....

Hey FlowaMasta,
You should photograph the removal of those clippings so we can learn how to prune like the Masta!
Cheers,
Mo

Doing the big flush of my system tomorrow. Will be the first and only flush of the grow cycle, unless something arises! Roots still doing their thing:

Gorbzzz said:

Looking good as always flo, an inspiration for many!

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Cheers Gorbzzz! can't wait to see your girls again!

eastcoastmo said:

Wow Flowa that XL really makes her take off hey. And she looks so green too! Perfect man

so what pH do you have to have during the XL treatment? I'd imagine it would be pretty low if its super phosphoric acid....

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Yeah! thanx Easty I never miss doing the XL treatment now, i guarantee its potential and its not $60 for 100ml for no reason i only use 20ml for each grow and around 8-10 drops of Ph up (sodium hydroxide) once the phosphates have settled. BUT i do dilute the Ph up in about 100ml of water in a clean glass beer bottle so the reaction isn't quite so crazy. You want the ph to be around 4.5 - 5 no higher, as everything becomes active the nutrients will naturally buffer the Ph and it will slowly rise towards the end of the week and as nutrient levels drop and you begin to add fresh water. It's quite important you keep a consistent Ph level though throughout the week, if you keep trying to level it off yourself with adjusters you will only mess up the chemical reaction and either stuff up the ph level or have to start fresh after a massive flush..... not what i would recommend! Just let the Super phosphoric acid work its magic, you will know the nutrients have the XL in it by the way it fizzes. Provided you keep your res clean and a good air stone you will notice the bubbles fizz and pop like crazy.... THIS IS GOOD. It's basically dropping the Ph to a similar level to that of some carbonated drinks.... not pointing fingers at cola ehem. (full of acidic oxygen molecules) Roots love this but only for a short time. So don't go dipping your fingers in the res! you will dry out your fingers and do them no good, use gloves when handling the XL if you do end up getting it in sensitive places you will only know about it once you get it wet. Phosphoric acid is Hygroscopic and water naturally activates it causing it to burn through clothes or even concrete. BE CAREFUL AND KEEP IT IN A BLOODY SAFE PLACE FAAAAAAAAAAR AWAY FROM CHILDREN!

Mohican said:

Hey FlowaMasta,
You should photograph the removal of those clippings so we can learn how to prune like the Masta!
Cheers,
Mo

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HA the Masta i like that lol smiles all around this morning Mo I got a bit lazy in that clean up and it was only to remove so really lower node spindles and wasn't a true cleanup however i will document my cleanup shortly as i'm probably going to clone tonight sometime the plant is easily big enough and beautifully healthy now so when i clone i'll cut/clean in 1 session. Plenty of plant in there to recover almost overnight. If i see shoots that have only 2-3 nodes and they are stretching and searching for light and look to serve little purpose in yielding anything, then they get snipped off right at the base of the main branch it comes from. This makes energy goto the next branch in-line down the stem, giving that extra fighting power. If i don't eventually do this it becomes messy very quickly with a huge amount of useless overgrowth which would be great for outside! but for inside the light will only penetrate so deeply

Ok cool thanks bro, i've written that bit down too definitely some potent shit right there! So hanging to get my system going hey, just have to be patient!!

Also while i'm here, do you only top up with fresh water to get her through until flush time each week? Eg. You mix up nute mix at the start of the week and only top up with water if needed? Or do you add water and nutes during the week as well?

That XL seems to be some great stuff! I have tried not to mix different nutes but I wonder how the XL would do with Dyno-Grow nutes. Maybe I should just ditch the DG and go with Cyco. Not sure what Im going to do yet.

Yeah dunno how it would go with other nutes hey. I've completely switched to cyco for my next grow, so I'm pretty excited I've tried so many different nutes and most are pretty good just hard to get right. Going by Flowas methods I reckon the cyco will be awesome!!

Hey FlowaMasta - Thanks for the extra photog steps. I really need to learn how to prune and FIM for maximum tops. Have you thought about trying Nug's mainlining method of training?


Here are a couple of shots for you:



WOG with trellis netting:





Big Clone:





Ugly Reveg Clone:





Mainlined Mulanjes:






Seed pods popping:









Cheers,
Mo

eastcoastmo said:

Ok cool thanks bro, i've written that bit down too definitely some potent shit right there! So hanging to get my system going hey, just have to be patient!!

Also while i'm here, do you only top up with fresh water to get her through until flush time each week? Eg. You mix up nute mix at the start of the week and only top up with water if needed? Or do you add water and nutes during the week as well?

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I top up with only fresh water after it gets down to about 1/3rd it really helps with keeping a clean system, during flowering i may top up with fresh water + carbs ( suga rush or pineapple rush ) something with a mild potash enhancement and natural sugars. Saying this, it's not a 'mild' system, by now i can run full strength base (grow a+b) as long as i don't over do the additives, B1 boost, silica and Dr. Repair. I watch for leaf vigor and stance for the amount of Dr. Repair i only want to see her 'perky' with raised leaves around once a week coming towards the end, this tells me how much food she's having, and how much is being wasted. Over-all i keep her metabolism very high after flush and then make her hungry towards the end of the week by diluting with fresh water. It's like she's always waiting for her maximum feed so it pushes her to her limit she will take up as much food and water as she can but hopefully never too much

Scrogreen said:

That XL seems to be some great stuff! I have tried not to mix different nutes but I wonder how the XL would do with Dyno-Grow nutes. Maybe I should just ditch the DG and go with Cyco. Not sure what Im going to do yet.

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The first time i used it i was shocked. The comparison is Ferrari vs Ford.

I would look carefully at the additives you're using however most liquid fertz can mix with XL (phos acid) organics is a no no it just kills everything you're trying to thrive.
Cyco in my opinion is definitely up there with the best, quality is really good and very consistent. Variables are basically up to me if i want to change the food regime. Alot isn't needed as first noted first page

eastcoastmo said:

Yeah dunno how it would go with other nutes hey. I've completely switched to cyco for my next grow, so I'm pretty excited I've tried so many different nutes and most are pretty good just hard to get right. Going by Flowas methods I reckon the cyco will be awesome!!

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I would stick with clean quality liquid ofcourse, i hear good things with advanced nutrients, ignore the bad hype its bogus... Some of cyco boys came from advanced a little birdie told me.... general hydro, good stuff, sensi nutes good stuff. Whatever Lordjin uses~!! can't remember but its obviously the bomb, you don't get quality bud without using quality nutes so don't go mixing up a box of 'thrive flower and fruit' unless you have $10 left for nutrients lol it will work but salt and deficiencies will be happening guaranteed especially if you mix high strength.

Most people go wrong by thinking the plant 'needs more' but adding more can sometimes lockout important and essential elements because the ph simply buffers them rendering them useless which then they turn to SALT. Salt then binds with other elements unless you flush and will pick up important traces like iron, calcium thus ending up with a deficiency or lockout. Then you can run into problems like the tips burning or simply no growth because the pores on the leaves block up and refuse to transpire and evaporate moisture. and in a high ph res with blocked leaf pores the leaves can only transpire through the very tip of the leaves and there is little surface area because of the shape of weed leaves so they burn very easily. But a GREAT tell-tale sign for over-nuting or environmental issues

Little bit of basic chemistry but all part of simple horticulture

The idea of my system is to keep nothing sitting still in the system for more than half an hour, even after feeding the perlite will; continue to drip for another 15-30 minutes continuously mixing in the res, and every 2 hours i'm feeding now, with perlite it's near impossible to over water in the later stages as long as you use an airstone to oxygenate the water.

Mohican said:

Hey FlowaMasta - Thanks for the extra photog steps. I really need to learn how to prune and FIM for maximum tops. Have you thought about trying Nug's mainlining method of training?


Here are a couple of shots for you:



WOG with trellis netting:

Big Clone:

Ugly Reveg Clone:

Mainlined Mulanjes:

Seed pods popping:

Cheers,
Mo

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awesome work on the trellis netting!! what an awesome idea, could of come in bloody handy before those monster branches snapped!! but who would of thought one would need such a contraption in the backyard on some bush plants!!! You are awesome Mo well done!

On my thoughts on nugbuckets methods of training, not knocking him at all, he gets pure 100% top grade nugs and they always impress i just think it's a little 'overkill' meaning i think he takes it a little too far on some that i've seen, with outdoor plants the suns light penetrates far better than any HPS lamp so i tend to only mainline very small tiny growth, i find that all my outdoor is of an even consistency and always great smoke, and i don't think any more mainlining on my outdoors would be beneficial to quality or yield, i have tried many methods and i feel taking less off grows a faster plant.

I love his plants thought, the guy has some great knowledge for sure, and he knows how to get the maximum yield even for smaller plants by spreading them out at the right times before flowering. Awesome work.

My indoor i have learnt to take a certain amount off, as too much can cause unwanted stress stunting or slowing my growth ( and we all know i grow as fast as i can ) so i take off about 3/5ths of what i could safely so my growth continues on its merry rampage and so i do actually get a small amount off fluffier nugs to play with ( cooking hash/oil tincture ) you know me I only leave lower nugs where there is light sneaking through under and around the sides of the canopy. I really wish these HPS penetrated further, and i'm not keen on sing a 1000watt as i don't have the vertical room. I'm nearly thinking some side LED lighting soon for flowering. I'm pushing the limits this round. I don't have a reason why i just want to see whats capable with a 600HPS with still 28 days veg. With the Headstart ofcourse.... was it worth it? wait and see......

Also Mainlining creates a much sturdier and stronger plant so that means less stress on the branches because they require less energy to hold themselves up. Each time you to and grow that chunky knot in the branch, that is strength all good things, some can stunt here and there, i try to add up what i need to do, and prioritize so i can still work within my time limit. I'm a good week in front this grow atleast so my training will be a little more extensive with many more tops again this time around. The plant is really showing some potential even with alot of smaller tips, i will tip every main and secondary this grow with my 140x140 square i can fill more space and bring my light closer to my canopy. Big nugs coming don't worry about that!!