Flowering soon in PHOGS

You were High as hell when you wrote this LMFAO!

ha ha, shhh don't tell anyone, actually I didn't proof read, just wanted to post, go eat come back now to edit. Your too quick don't you have anything better to do...

light some a big fat one in honor of the newest royal to grace the UK.

I'm at Home Getting Hammered. Kids in Bed and She's out getting Nailed.

What the fuck do I have to do? Lol!

Ladies are looking Lush. Good Job, I hope for a Good Harvest!

Fenian Brotherhood said:

I'm at Home Getting Hammered. Kids in Bed and She's out getting Nailed.

What the fuck do I have to do? Lol!

Ladies are looking Lush. Good Job, I hope for a Good Harvest!

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Hey wow seriously hope that is not the case with the ole lady but I feel ya anywise.
So ya I can't wait to do this again thinking ahead about ensuring I do all I can to have 4 closely symmetrical clones each with 8 sites that are developing congruently.

So to ensure the next go around I have 5, think of the 5 one as the alternate juror in case one get's tainted somehow and will not develop the same or I still suck at properly topping. Even if I manager to keep them all close in their development I properly don't want different soil mixes so I can expect same sustained growth as a constant their. However my main concern is light, ensuring as even a canopy as possible through the entire duration. There is no room to supplement lighting unless I get low under all branches with CFLs. But I'm not going to do that I prefer LCD flowers over CFLs. I could really see the difference in my last grow between the flowers which received LCD verses CFL. So I will lollipop theses gals and if need be remove some fan leaves for greater light penetration.

Any gander on what I might pull from these? Its probably to early to guess. I am thinking anywhere from 1/2 to a full pound between them.

Oh yeah promise better pics next time. It is just so full of leaves it is hard to get the full dynamic of it.

It's all good there

How many Watts is it again? I would guess you'll pull a Fat Harvest. But it's kinda Hard to tell since they haven't Formed yet.
Are you suppose to De-foliage Main-Lines? Maybe taking a few fan leaves off will get that light down deeper so no need for Cfls.

That, and the Colas will be Hit with a shit ton more light

Roots Roots Roots YES I will have to go back to check when I inserted 1 gal cloth pots into 5 gal cloth pots of various soil concoctions.

It is clear in pics to follow of the roots and which plant has best growth take a guess...

remember each one has a different soil composure and plants vary in age so this effects expectations for each some are good some disappointing but good cause there are roots and they came sometime between last water and this evening.

I also did some lollipop to improve growth in upper area where light reaches and selective removal of fan leaves for optimal light penetration to lower branch.

okay here are the latest pics hope you all approve... comments and questions are welcome, haters love you too bro but why piss in another man's bush, isn't there any bush that is sacred?


This is the left reservoir these have both pots each with a variable of my super high octane blend with standard organic potting soil. The back one is the highest %.
And interesting enough as big as its older sister in the other reservoir.



These are from the right side reservoir.




Well you should be able to get a better idea where we are starting week 2 of flower.... time to fill reservoirs and consider what next blooming aid tea balance and light will be key in feeding lets see what this 240 W rated at 400 HID eqv.

Awesome pics man, those babies look great! Nice canopies goin on....mmmhmmmm

roseypeach said:

Awesome pics man, those babies look great! Nice canopies goin on....mmmhmmmm

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Thank Roseypeach, trying to tie up the larger colas and pen them back allowing light to reach the younger babes in there as well.
Next run all clones were taken at same time and hopefully will have all 8 cola sites each through main line training. BONZAI!

What I am noticing and seems to hold true so far in this run and even in first run I never encountered any nutrient issues even late in flowering very little of the typical color loss from nitrogen shortage. Hardly any nutrient burn of leaf tips either. It is just my speculation but I believe the passive hydro reservoir allowing lower roots access to water air only, whereas upper root system in soil air water allows the plant to uptake only water if needed and feed itself what it wants from the soils nutrients even if normally would be too HOT. It seems they do not have to take up their water from the soil that is hot with nutrients if she only wants water she can tap that from below.
I think this is keeping her from being over fed having a root system that can uptake only water if she just want that alone.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge about plants can chime in. I do know from Ed Rosenthal that our ladies do have a two tiered root system where the upper layer is primarily designed for nutrient uptake and the lower roots designed primarily for water.

My initial entire goal in this project was to produce a self feeding self watering garden where I could put the least amount of effort and get the max results possible.Thanks the folks like Subcool I have the knowledge for producing an organic soil that can feed most strains through flower to harvest. Thanks to Ed Rosenthal and others I gained the knowledge of creating a basic passive hydro system. I combined them in Phase I then realized I do need to properly prune these ladies to maximize the space I have currently, thus Phase II introduced design change in PHOGS and combined main line training I learned from Nugbuckets to maximize GYPSFT (Gram Yield Per Square Foot)

So I expected self watering and self feeding and that I would have to MYSELF train my ladies, being free to do that and not worrying about watering or feeding is a very good thing, now this unexpected possible benefit that overfeeding that is nutrient burn would be hard to do, WOW that is all I can say. It seems to be about as plug and play as it gets except for training and harvesting and I am very okay with that.

Very interesting grow method. Do you water the soil or does the moisture in the enclosed system keep the soil moist. My Sativa grows so slow I have root rot issues and need a very dry fast draining system. I am subbed

Mohican said:

Very interesting grow method. Do you water the soil or does the moisture in the enclosed system keep the soil moist. My Sativa grows so slow I have root rot issues and need a very dry fast draining system. I am subbed

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Hi Mohican,

My ladies are hybrid BC, what strain sativa? PHOGS is very flexible when it comes to the level of moisture in the soil. Properly set up this passive hydro will allow the medium (cloth pot bottom) to wick moisture into the compacted soil from the reservoir; the plants own root system will use capillary action to water themselves.

I rarely water from the top. Initially you need to at first to invoke the wicking system. Once wicking is in play the roots will eventually grow down into the naturally aerated water from trapped air in the lava rock. Which keeps bad bacteria at bay, roots really thrive here.
You can see my ladies are not exhibiting any kind of stress from this system. It’s a lack of oxygenated water that promotes bad bacteria that causes root rot and we know what plants suffering that look like.

One never really has to water from the top again except to introduce a blooming tea or something that the grower wants to introduce the soil web. But as far as the moisture at the bottom of the cloth container it will be what it can hold by its design.

Therefore you can always adjust the soil mix for use in this system just as you use now in your soil mix to allow for how much moisture you want it to hold. All the passive system does is make water readily available to be drawn up by wicking so your soil mix will determine how will it will draw up and how much it will hold, but your plant will never lack needed water during photosynthesis.

I would encourage you to try it or at least let me know what sativa you are growing and I can test it myself. I’m pretty sure whatever soil mix your using now to allow for proper drainage will work just fine in this.

Landrace Sativa Malawi from Africa. It is a slow grower and the roots got rot in my first indoor try. My res got too hot, and once the rot started it was hard to get rid of it.

Sounds like it is hard to get and something I want Mohican . Remember this isn't a active or pure hydro system the bottom reservoir should stay cool enough and besides upper roots will be in a cloth pot which tend to be a dryer pot it allows for much air thus evaporation and drains wells.

Dankswag, what kind of system is it? I saw it before but it didn't look like the way you are describing it. But then again, I'm stoned. More so than normal.

roseypeach said:

Dankswag, what kind of system is it? I saw it before but it didn't look like the way you are describing it. But then again, I'm stoned. More so than normal.

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Nice I am enjoying an mighty fine edible right now. I don't recall smoking anything for about 4 hours now.

Say you probably saw my prior grow journal https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal-discussion/632334-passive-hydro-super-soi-blue.html
If not there are variations of this, this is just my spin on it. You will see more of this style of watering in a DYI back yard vegetable garden.
I've seen different things used for containers but it is all the same princeible when it comes to the design of passive hyrdoponics, where water is wicked into the soil and roots do the rest. This concept even came further to live for me when I saw the smaller container style Ed Rosenthal had in his grow guide. Why not a larger scale.

So far I am please it seems to keep me from over watering and can depending on reservoir size spend time caring for plant in pruning and generally a worry free setup if SETUP right. For it relies on an organic high octane blend to feed from veg to flower, good source of light air (fan) and a clean chlorine free low ppm near 7 ph cool room temp water kept level just slightly below surface of lave rock. This keeps root rot from occurring, for air cool water refilled in reservoir roots will be nice and clean. The environment keeps bad bacteria at bay, but watch out if your water level if off and reservoir does not have over flow drain hole one could possibly soak lower portion of cloth pot soaking roots and dirtying up the reservoir. For I found even if your soil mix is too hot it seems nutrient burn keep to a minimum for very little tip burn for the portion of nutrients in one HIGH OCTANE container I placed in there.

Anywise I've got the makings of flowers in my tent on day 12 of 12/12 not bad not bad at all. I will post more to follow....

Start of third week of flower day 15.... "looking good Billy Ray!, feeling good Louis"

They really are looking good Dankswag! very nice!!!!

thanks for answering my question!

Just a quick update on my PHOGS perpetual grow...

Here are clones @ 4 weeks old taken as very small babies on July 5th, they have another 13 weeks before they will see the inside of the flowering tent, much topping and training to be done during main line boot camp! Where we take one main cola and turn her into 8 pack of colas! Note the two baby seedlings up front are Ak-47 X with G13, hope one is a girl not sure what to call her? Any name suggestions?


These gals below provided the clones above. In Mid May they were taken as clones themselves from the Ladies that are flowering now.
By Mid Sept just when the ladies now flowering are done, these gals should be hopefully at or near the same height with 8 cola sites each.


Here you go the main attraction I have done some more defoliation and lollipoping to ensure max yield for each flower cola.

Hey Hey Hey.... these gals are on their way..... Did even more lollipoping trimming of any lower branches that can't possibly produce a decent size flowers.
I didn't end up with as many strong cola sites as I wanted mostly again due to my inexperience with mainlining and not having clones that were taken and trained together from day one. Lessons learned. I also may need to reconsider my possible overall available flowering space and development in veg / mainline training. From clone to to end of veg currently is 16 weeks. In order to increase yield size at end of veg will be important. I'd also like to have another one of these 240 where as I can keep high light intensity during flower keeping two ladies each under one lamp that way I won't have to raise light to recommend to get the overall max surface, I want to keep them closer and as close as possible to still cover the area taken by two plants yet maximize depth penetration through the canopy to get more uniform dense flower development as far down the cola branch as possible. Anywise my best guess is approximately 8-10oz maybe 12oz max if I am fortunate.

But overall very happy with PHOGS as far as way to ensure available source of water for plant to use as needed. Seems to aide in lessening effect of nutrient burn in fact the far left rear plant was second oldest of bunch was several inches anywhere from 6 to 8 less growth then older plant far back right. Once it hit the 50$ blend of my high octane mix it started to show some good tip burn whereas the other three in less of a HOT mixture showed no signs of nutrient burn or deficiencies. But those signs of leaf tip burn went away and the plant seem to show up and surpass the other quite quickly and that is when I noticed it had a good amount of root development Ed Rosenthal spoken of which is the lower layer growing through the bottom of the cloth pots into the water/lava rock mixture. I believe access to a source of water not laden in nutrients allows a plant in hotter mix to take a "water" break pardon the pun without drawing in excessive nutrients from water in the soil reducing in nute toxicity and thus adding in growth. Anywise my observation I am sure hoping some others have taken on a similar project using their own version and methods of integrating passive hydroponics into their organic soil grows...

More updates to follow...

Okay here are those pic updates....

First these gals are surely well rooted now, they are bursting toward the light developing new leaf sets, as soon as I have three good ones on each first topping will come.
I am going to let them grow a little closer then remove the booster seats their solo cups are resting on. Don't those seedlings look great in the middle AK47 X G13 hoping for at least one girl between odds are I've got a 50/50 chance between them.
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Okay these gals just recently got their respective branches bondage straps adjusted to accommodate new growth. As mentioned prior this particular set too is also to a small extent not going to give me a uniform canopy due to a slight variation in age. The next set the gals above all cloned same day, those below well a day or two apart between them. But closer to my goal. I have just 5 weeks left to veg their colas up to a at least 18 inches in new growth. May have to introduce the smaller 120 Watt UFO LED back into the mix to get this growth I want prior to flowering in 5 weeks.
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Okay here are the young ladies ending week 3 of flower day 20. Anticipation is making me wait URGH! All good things come to those who wait...
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