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simpsonsampson420 said:

stg inserts suck.. i was saved from using them.. almost wasted the money on them myself... sorry you got stuck using them..

the nutes might be ok.. veg for sure.. its just flowering im a little worried about.. can you get some sort of actual flowering nute?? just want to make sure they are getting what they need..

set the fan up to pull rather than push.. if it pushes and there are any leaks in the duct it will cause air to leak from that hole.. but if its pulling all the leaks just become additional exhaust holes...


I will be only using veg nutes for quite a while as I am waiting for the plants I have now to sex so that I can clone and have mothers, so when I flower I will get appropriate high quality nutes, not for at least a month or two from now (though I am gonna do some experimental 12/12 from seed as a side thing and perhaps make some seeds) and I am going to try coco for media in my main veg/clone grow and so will use the flowering nutes that are appropriate when the time comes.

So with the fan/filter, are you saying I need to have the filter in the grow room? I was hoping I could set it up outside of it in a seperate room due to space, if not I will have to make a 90 degree in the duct.

I lost 60 seeds due to the stg starter cubes! Lucky I am using bagseed! Only now I have only about 30 left from what I saved over the last few years. I started a thread to see if any peeps have had success with stg, and not one peep said yes! I am using some of their slab material now with 2" rockwool cubes only because it is all I had, and they work but not optimum by any stretch. With the starter cubes the seeds expend so much energy trying to set roots that they become exhausted and die. Out of 60 seeds I have one surviving plant and that seems to be only because it seems to be especially vigorous, so I hope it is a fem as I think it would clone well (just guessing). Stg set me back a solid month!

Thanks for your help and this thread Sam! I hope it is and you are here for help through my grow as I trust your advice.

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showhard2handle said:

So goose, check it out. Chopped most larger ladies last night to try & let the bottom nodules fill out.

I had snipped a little branch about 4 days ago & hung her up to do her thang.

Of course, it was a little red headed-step child lookin branch from the Pyramid auto (the freebie).

And guess what.......

i got absolutely ripped outta my goard on MY own shiz. Ahh, twas a wonderful night.

Got the fat girls hanging in a box w/ that 4" inline fan (just exhaustin & gettin passive intake), nothin directly on those beasts).

Oh yeah, then rolled up a little goo ball off of the trimmers I was usin. Def. tasted like some of the betta sheesh i ever burned.

TERRIBLY HAPPY GOOSE.

Can't wait for these gals to finish & get photos into system.

Stand by, ya know I'll need ya.

Thanks again 4 everything u hav done for me my friend!

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choempi said:

simpsonsampson420 said:

I will be only using veg nutes for quite a while as I am waiting for the plants I have now to sex so that I can clone and have mothers, so when I flower I will get appropriate high quality nutes, not for at least a month or two from now (though I am gonna do some experimental 12/12 from seed as a side thing and perhaps make some seeds) and I am going to try coco for media in my main veg/clone grow and so will use the flowering nutes that are appropriate when the time comes.


ok.. that makes sense... glad to hear that!!

So with the fan/filter, are you saying I need to have the filter in the grow room? I was hoping I could set it up outside of it in a seperate room due to space, if not I will have to make a 90 degree in the duct.


ok.. the fan should pull air regardless... but you want to pull air through the filter... so the filter needs to go before the fan... but either way you want the fan to be pulling air... a 90 degree bend is not ideal... so you may have to push the air.. but its better to have it pulling...



I lost 60 seeds due to the stg starter cubes! Lucky I am using bagseed! Only now I have only about 30 left from what I saved over the last few years. I started a thread to see if any peeps have had success with stg, and not one peep said yes! I am using some of their slab material now with 2" rockwool cubes only because it is all I had, and they work but not optimum by any stretch. With the starter cubes the seeds expend so much energy trying to set roots that they become exhausted and die. Out of 60 seeds I have one surviving plant and that seems to be only because it seems to be especially vigorous, so I hope it is a fem as I think it would clone well (just guessing). Stg set me back a solid month!


ya.. they are shit products... i dont see how they can sell them..


Thanks for your help and this thread Sam! I hope it is and you are here for help through my grow as I trust your advice.

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glad to help bro

cutman said:

i have a question. when do you introduce pollen to make seeds? what stage of flower, or week?

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in flowering.. maybe around week 3.. when you can start to see flower formation..

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simpsonsampson420 said:

congrats on the success bro.. always glad to hear these kinda stories...

big question i gotta ask is have you found any seeds?? they would be busting out of their sacs by now...

im happy for ya bro... glad to have helped ya out!

choempi said:

OH yeah, i got beans. They aren't awful I suppose, all things considered. Obv. woulda been WAY cooler sans the beans. But hey, I'm gonna collect 'em & gift em out or something.

Fortunately, they seem to only be at the very bottom of the bud, so they are lookin fairly easy to pick out. Most are fallin out inside of the drying box. So I just pick em up from inside there when they finished.

I chopped & hung up the most diesel lookin nodules Monday night, gonna finish the chop tonight & get photo girls in the system & under HID tomorrow.

I'll throw up some chop pics here this weekend.

I've read so many damn theories for he dry.

Were you a proponent of dryin in box & then movin to brown paper bags from grocery store?

Or are you a dry in the box & straight into mason jars?

Kinda like straight into the mason jars, as it seems like the paper bags are just an extra step that could result in more trichs gettin knocked off.


Lemme know what ya think.

I'm def. pleased for my virgin run, but def. also lookin forward to seein what some premo reg. photo gals look like.

Thanks bro

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showhard2handle said:

OH yeah, i got beans. They aren't awful I suppose, all things considered. Obv. woulda been WAY cooler sans the beans. But hey, I'm gonna collect 'em & gift em out or something.

Fortunately, they seem to only be at the very bottom of the bud, so they are lookin fairly easy to pick out. Most are fallin out inside of the drying box. So I just pick em up from inside there when they finished.

I chopped & hung up the most diesel lookin nodules Monday night, gonna finish the chop tonight & get photo girls in the system & under HID tomorrow.

I'll throw up some chop pics here this weekend.

I've read so many damn theories for he dry.

Were you a proponent of dryin in box & then movin to brown paper bags from grocery store?

Or are you a dry in the box & straight into mason jars?

Kinda like straight into the mason jars, as it seems like the paper bags are just an extra step that could result in more trichs gettin knocked off.


Lemme know what ya think.

I'm def. pleased for my virgin run, but def. also lookin forward to seein what some premo reg. photo gals look like.

Thanks bro

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showhard2handle said:

hey man, is there a rule of thumb as to when ya know the nodgies are finished in dryin box?

They have been in a dark area. RH has been pretty solid right around 40%.

Temps are normally in low 70's, @ night I believe the lowest is like 62.

Am I waitin for that stem, snap rule everyone speaks of, before goin into next process?

Again, main crop went in box Monday night. So I'll hit 72 hours tonight in da box.

Thanks my man

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showhard2handle said:

Alrighty, sorry for the multiple posts. Just tryin to get evthing sorted here.

Took rest of the week off, so I can get those swee photo girls into he system.

I know we have discussed, but can we recap phase 2's process?

So, tonight, the autos will get heir final chop.

And v-drip system will have a vacancy finally.

I am going to take my 3" cubes, place them in those netted 4" pots, & replace into v-drip tomorrow morning. Then kick on the 600 watt on 24/ 0, or 18/6 for a few days, simply to get them used to hid before the switch to 12/12. They (girls in cubes), are currently on 25% bloom nutes. Which I should kick up to 50% the first week under hid, then up to 100% by the second week the are under 12/12???

Then for the hydro farm (dude, those girls are real big, had to super crop them the other day & know they are even bushier, but bout 12" shorter). Same deal here. They been on 25% bloom nutes (rest grow nutes obv.) They will have 400 watter on them by tomorrow afternoon.

I need to get them bloomin asap (need to try & have things wrapped by mid june).

Sorry to ask again, I now understand why you always tellin me, "we'll get there when ya get there".

Just real pumped to finish the autos & concentrate on photo girls.

thanks homey

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showhard2handle said:

dude, did i mention that this fukn rocks.

i realize things could have gone betta, but i am totally burnin shit that I totally have paid upwards of 1bill/ per q. Recently been more like to 20 a g, straight up.

i mean i have been a continuous search for over a decade now, procuring contacts that i feel would lead to connoisseur grade bud. Also, lookin out for old dumb ass contacts @ public events & shit simply tryin to find descent bud for so long I can't remember.

So I guess the main bullet point here.... is that I have been tryin my balls off & PAYIN my balls off since for way longer than i'd like to admit to, when all the while i coluda been doin this.

Ahh, my hats off to ya sammy, even con-semilla, this stuff is pure fuego!!!!

preesh my man, sorry for the rant

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showhard2handle said:

hey bro, completed the transfer today.

My ultimate plan is to run the lights on between 8pm to 8am. BTW, I did check & I do not have any external light leaks). So i am confident that I can pull off a nocturnal garden, if the heat is all good. So hopefully night time temps will help keep temps down.

ANyway, lemme know ur wisdom on that.

& on the subject of dryin.....

I took the fat girls out of the dryin box.
(They went in Monday night, so they had 72 hours in the box @ good temps & rh).

The thing was, last night, they all felt dry & ready to roll, so of course in all my noob wisdom, I put them into mason jars. I was also tryin to clear out space in dry box, so that I could get last nights' chop (lower stuff) in there.

This morning, I cracked them open & they were all super moist again, so I put them back in a different box I made today (with same dryer string set up & passive intake using 4" inline fan)

So, now I have x2 boxes, the larger ones were hung in there monday night, & the rest went in last night.

Sorry for the bombardment, just the uncertainty on how to get these jewels thru to fruition is killin me. The few samples I prepped usin ur glass pan in oven thing is great, but don't want them tastin & smellin like hay. Which I have started to notice smelling.

So thats a question. Do even ur super dank nugs smell like drying plant material when you first go to hang & dry, or are they just stanky from whole way thru.

Stuff I read says that the thc is actually an acid right now & proper drying wil sort that all out. (Which explains all the shitty "homegrown" i've smoked over the years, that was wet & nasty).

Here's the deal. They look funky, & have super gooy shiz all over, just not sure how to ensure they don;t smell like hay.

thanks 4 evthin bro

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showhard2handle said:

hey bro, i believe i have the heat issue sorted. got a vortex fan i can mount to wall & is blowin on @ full speed bout 4" from light.

Got temps stable @ 83. So, believe i'm good there. specially if only for 12/ per day.

1 dumb question.

How much, if any do i feed during the dark period?

Gonna start em on 12/12 sunday morning.

Saw some folks suggest let em stay dark for 24-36 hours when first introducing to bloom, then goin to 12/12. What ya think??

Just tryin to stress them as little as possible as you said thats how hermies happen.

w/ my partic. situation, (hid's on since bout 2pm today, so bout 40 hours) til sunday morn, when I will kill hid's.

Ya think go for the 24-36, or straight 12/12?

preesh bud

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simpsonsampson420 said:

light cycle sounds good...

here is what happens during the drying process..

first the chlorophyll starts to turn into sugars... the longer the plant can dry the more converted they become and the smoother the smoke...

once the bud is dried out the cannabinoids and teripins can start to develope.. the cannabinoids affect the high.. the teripins affect taste and smell.. the teripins need to age like wine to develope... so it takes a while to get the smell and taste...

now when you dry the outside of the buds will dry out first.. but there is still moisture in the bud and stem... so when you seal them up the moisture wicks outwards... then they feel moist again... so it becomes a game of lid on and lid off...

when i dry i do about 4 days on a rack... ones the outsides feel dry (similar to what you said) i throw them into paper bags or gallon jars.. this isnt to start curing.. its still part of the drying process... i allow the moisture to even out in the buds (usually a couple hours) then i open the storage up... i'll leave it open for 4 or 5 hours.. to allow air to exchange, moisture to move away from the buds, and let them dry out some.. then its lid on for a couple hours again.. and so on.. each time i make sure to turn the jar or move the buds around some to keep them from sticking and molding...

everyday they will feel dryer and dryer... so the lid will stay on longer and longer.. usually by the 7th or 8th day total (so 3 or 4 on rack, 3 or 4 jars) they are ready to actually cure.. then its just leave them in the jars sealed up well.. let them breath a couple times a day.. but it takes a week or so of curing before you really start tasting and smelling things... really 2 or 3 is better... but after a week they are smokeable and when you break them open you'll get the good smell...
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