Forbes; Booming Pot Industry Is Draining the U.S. Energy Supply

Should something be done to encourage the marijuana industry to be more energy efficient?

  • Yes, tax excessive power use

    Votes: 10 17.9%
  • Yes, subsidize the purchase of efficient equipment

    Votes: 18 32.1%
  • No, there's enough industry regulation already!

    Votes: 28 50.0%

  • Total voters
    56

ttystikk

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http://fortune.com/2015/12/21/marijuana-energy-consumption/?xid=ob_rss

ENERGY MARIJUANA
The Booming Pot Industry Is Draining the U.S. Energy Supply

DECEMBER 21, 2015, 2:00 PM EST
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A lighting system in a Denver marijuana growing facility.Photograph by Matthew Staver—The Washington Post/Getty Images

And lawmakers are worried

As the legal marijuana market expands, so grows the energy consumption associated with an industry that depends on growing facilities with high-wattage lights and powerful cooling systems.

In 2012, a study from Evan Mills, Ph.D.—a scientist with the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory—found that legal indoor marijuana growing facilities accounted for 1% of national electricity use at a cost of roughly $6 billion per year, which compared to just $1 billion in energy costs for the pharmaceutical industry. Mills recently told Bloombergthat some of the bigger growing facilities operating today can use up to $1 million in power every month.

In Colorado, where residents have voted to legalize both medical and recreational marijuana, Bloomberg adds that more than 1,200 licensed growing facilities eat up roughly half of the state’s new power demands and, last year, those facilities combined to use about the same amount of energy as 35,000 households.

As Bloomberg notes, most marijuana growing facilities make use of powerful, environmentally unfriendly lighting systems that allow growers to churn out fresh crops year-round. In fact, the heat from the lights is often so strong that growers also need high-power air conditioning systems to keep facility temperatures at temperate levels. With no industry-wide regulators, growers have no standards for energy efficient design in their facilities, which creates unnecessary energy waste.

And, the marijuana industry’s energy consumption is only going to become a bigger problem in the coming years. Already, 23 states have legalized medical marijuana, while recreational pot is legal in four states and the District of Columbia. Next year, that number could grow even larger as roughly half a dozen more states (and maybe more) are expected to vote on bills to legalize recreational pot.

The increase in power consumption by the growing legal marijuana industry has led some lawmakers to demand that pot growers pay various types of special fees or taxes to balance the strain their high-consuming ways put on the environment. Last year, lawmakers in Colorado’s Boulder County said they would charge marijuana growing facilities a little more than 2 cents per kilowatt hour consumed. A similar tax has been put in place in Arcata, California, where Bloomberg notes “officials are banking $300,000 a year from an ‘excessive energy use tax’ that went into effect in October 2013.”
 

ttystikk

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Forbes complaining about OUR dirty habits?!

They have a point. The experienced grow room designer knows that all those lights in a warehouse represent the SECOND largest use of power by the facility, the first being the HVAC system required to keep all those lights from cooking the plants instead of growing them.

I posted this in the LED section specifically because I firmly believe that the new generation of COB LED fixtures will lead to dramatic power savings by those commercial operators who switch.

I also believe there is more to this story than just swapping out lights. This industry has been built on artificially high profit margins and thus is insensitive to the otherwise impractically high costs of standard industry production practices.

The only industry I can think of off the top of my head that uses more electricity than indoor pot production? Aluminum manufacturing; that single 12oz beer can you're holding took the same amount of electricity to produce as running your 60" wide screen television for the whole Superbowl, pregame show included.

We can do better, and with everyone's help on this forum, we will.
 

hyroot

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Lmao another fear mongering article that's full of shit. Commercial cannabis grows only use about 5 % of the power as costco, home depot, lowes, walmart, Sams club, malls, football and baseball stadiums. Then you have factories like chemical factories. Auto plants, machine factories. , etc. .. There's only commercial grows in only a few states. The huge illegal grows are outdoor.

1 costco has more metal halides / hid than 10 commercial grows . 10 costco have the same amount of metal halides as 1 stadium.

This is like when they tried to blame the California dought on pot growers...
 

ttystikk

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Lmao another fear mongering article that's full of shit. Commercial cannabis grows only use about 5 % of the power as costco, home depot, lowes, walmart, Sams club, malls, football and baseball stadiums. Then you have factories like chemical factories. Auto plants, machine factories. , etc. .. There's only commercial grows in only a few states. The huge illegal grows are outdoor.

This is like when they tried to blame the California dought on pot growers...
You might be surprised at the average watts per square foot at your local Walmart. They have a lot of square feet to be sure, but it's still a tiny number by comparison.

They've also made plenty of well publicised investments in reducing those costs, so even they understand there's a benefit to their bottom line.

I have yet to meet a grower who wants to pay the power company MORE.
 

GrowUrOwnDank

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LMFAO! They write this shit cause people actually read and believe. I just needed to see the headline. I don't think it's gonna move the stock market where we can place our bets and potentially get filthy rich destroying our own planet with carbon emissions. Personal jets. Yachts. :bigjoint:I mean. Everybody that is poor shouldn't have stuff that leave a carbon foot print. I mean. Assuming/After I get filthy rich and privelaged. For now I believe even tho I'm poor I should be able to contribute as much as I want to gluttony. I guess. I dunno. At least I can complain about it. Here tho. I really wouldn't be talking like this to..... :bigjoint:

I'm just trying to chill.
 

ttystikk

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LMFAO! They write this shit cause people actually read and believe. I just needed to see the headline. I don't think it's gonna move the stock market where we can place our bets and potentially get filthy rich destroying our own planet with carbon emissions. Personal jets. Yachts. :bigjoint:I mean. Everybody that is poor shouldn't have stuff that leave a carbon foot print. I mean. Assuming/After I get filthy rich and privelaged. For now I believe even tho I'm poor I should be able to contribute as much as I want to gluttony. I guess. I dunno. At least I can complain about it. Here tho. I really wouldn't be talking like this to..... :bigjoint:

I'm just trying to chill.
Thank you for that... Uhhhh... whatever that was, lol
 

hyroot

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This same b s. Article has been written in so many publications that are anti pot. They all have been debunked. Forbes isn't what it used to be. It reports a lot of Huffington post articles which had become a tabloid of sorts. Like solar panels cause cancer and destroy the sun by draining all its energy. .....both publications published that article.
 

ttystikk

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315W x 450 = 141,750 x 12 x 365 /1000 = 621,000 kWh annually, not to include any other power consumption whatsoever, not even the ballasts running those lamps. And as the poster says, the 50,000sq ft warehouse isn't even their largest space.

This is a power hungry industry, silly ass comparisons to Costco only serve to underscore the point.

What to do? Investment in energy efficient technology is an obvious place to start, but I think this industry will only reform its wantonly inefficient ways when falling prices force the change.
 

ttystikk

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This same b s. Article has been written in so many publications that are anti pot. They all have been debunked. Forbes isn't what it used to be. It reports a lot of Huffington post articles which had become a tabloid of sorts. Like solar panels cause cancer and destroy the sun by draining all its energy. .....both publications published that article.
Except that Forbes is far from the only source for this information. Pot is not the most energy intensive industry, that's energy production itself- they just use oil instead of electricity.
 

GrowUrOwnDank

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Except that Forbes is far from the only source for this information. Pot is not the most energy intensive industry, that's energy production itself- they just use oil instead of electricity.
Gonna have to agree with the poster above. I mean there are indoor grown tomatoes and other veggies. It's the illegality of MJ that causes peeps to go all stealth to keep themselves out of harms way. Both the cops and robbers. It's hard to fathom this prohibition. It's everywhere. Easy to grow. Can be consumed responsibly. There is fallout in every privelage we are afforded on this planet. :lol:
 

PSUAGRO.

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I'm more concerned about our fresh water resources TBH......................it's a new industry, it will get streamlined( + kwh/plant counts/ supply=demand) those that can change will survive.

greenhouse(s) w supplementation is the future for commercial cash crop production imo.........outdoor will also keep the $market$ in check.

will see
 

DST

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Perhaps legal and licensed grows should be made to grow in greenhouses utilising lighting systems to control the additional light required to produce the required product. This is how pretty much all of the agriculrural industy works for the likes of tomatoes and strawberries in Northerm Europe. Fly into The Netherlands at night and you will see most of the Central part of the country is covered in hid glowing glass houses. They are not growing weed in them thats for sure.
 

Igotthe6

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Sure,just what we need. More freakin rules,regulations and laws. The government is just of blood sucking leaches that see more money in their pockets. Do they Tax any other company/entities for using excess power. Fuck,make it legal and more people will grow outdoors. Problem soled.
 

ttystikk

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1000-1600 1000w hps facilities are not uncommon in regulated states. Their demands are unreal, and led's have saved a few so far that I've helped with apache. Even 300light setups reap the benefits, and have the capital to get into it on the top level.
I think you'd know as well as anyone about the potential for COB LED to change the indoor growing game.
 
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