Free Tricks To Increase Yields.

HowardWCampbell said:

Cfl lighting?!?! Don't you know they're full of mercury! Are you trying to get us all killed with this thread? j/k

You mentioned another tip in your original post, is it anything to help those of us with all electric homes?

Good thread, +rep for you.

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Dammit,i forgot about the mercury !

Yep i do have another tip which is for raising yeild weights allthough it may lower resin production it works for added weight.

This one involves giving the plants a day off to rest & relax durring heavy bud,this is not a tip for guys who have poor to minimul air circulation in their grow op's as it may result in bud rott if air quality/circulation is poor,if you can increase air flow to max for the short term bud rott wont be an issue & has never been an issue in my op's.

The way i give my plants a day off is in the middle of bud cycle,i turn off all the HID lights & run only the bare minimum of lighting which in my room is floro tube lights,this is also the only time i foliar feed my plants,i take an extremely light mixture of my budding ferts which are a 10-30-20 strength & i mix it at about 10% strength,while the light in the room is very dim i soak the entire plant,i do this several times a day & if i can spare the time i do this off & on all day long,it keeps the plants moist,the low light allows them to rest & the low amounts of fertilizer are absorbed all day long as long as the plants remain moist,the last time i spray them down i use clean water with a 1/4 cup regular peroxide per gallon of water,the clean water rinses off any ferts tha plants did not absorb & the peroxide will kill off any mold spores that may be trapped inside or outside the bud.

As long as you do this before all the sun leaves are experiencing the phase where they start to become very yellow it will breath new life into them & allow the healthy sun laeves to make it all the way to the end of the grow & give max energy into building fatter buds.

The way i was taught this trick was that it replicates a rain day that outdoor plants would allmost certianly have under normal conditions,i use this trick when the new pistil/calyx production starts to slow down,after a few days the pistil production picks back up fast & the plants experience another growth spurt of new pistil & swollen calyx growth instead of finishing off.

Now look,here comes the connaseur guys saying that ferts on the plant will make it taste like chemicals,or that a hermie will pop out

has anyone every tried to "jack the stalks"
i was taught to lightly pinch the stems and "jack" them up and down, up and down until the leave happy sauce on your finger... smell your fingers for the happy sauce.
this is suppose to make the buds feel like they are being pollenated thus making them excited and more likely to put out

i like to jack with both hands

doniawon said:

has anyone every tried to "jack the stalks"
i was taught to lightly pinch the stems and "jack" them up and down, up and down until the leave happy sauce on your finger... smell your fingers for the happy sauce.
this is suppose to make the buds feel like they are being pollenated thus making them excited and more likely to put out

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Chalk another one up for the Romper Room Forum.

doniawon said:

has anyone every tried to "jack the stalks"
i was taught to lightly pinch the stems and "jack" them up and down, up and down until the leave happy sauce on your finger... smell your fingers for the happy sauce.
this is suppose to make the buds feel like they are being pollenated thus making them excited and more likely to put out

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oh no he didnt.

SlikWiLL13 said:

i smoke in my room, but i blow my hits into the exhaust fan. this kid is talking about smoking out his growroom. all the efforts we go thru to provide fresh air for our girls and he chongs 'em out...brilliant.

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Kid, huh? Wow. I havent been a kid for quite some time! You have no idea how I smoke in my grow room. BTW, the plants LOVE IT!!! Always have, always will. Just dont smoke tobacco in there

panhead said:

Dammit,i forgot about the mercury !

Yep i do have another tip which is for raising yeild weights allthough it may lower resin production it works for added weight.

This one involves giving the plants a day off to rest & relax durring heavy bud,this is not a tip for guys who have poor to minimul air circulation in their grow op's as it may result in bud rott if air quality/circulation is poor,if you can increase air flow to max for the short term bud rott wont be an issue & has never been an issue in my op's.

The way i give my plants a day off is in the middle of bud cycle,i turn off all the HID lights & run only the bare minimum of lighting which in my room is floro tube lights,this is also the only time i foliar feed my plants,i take an extremely light mixture of my budding ferts which are a 10-30-20 strength & i mix it at about 10% strength,while the light in the room is very dim i soak the entire plant,i do this several times a day & if i can spare the time i do this off & on all day long,it keeps the plants moist,the low light allows them to rest & the low amounts of fertilizer are absorbed all day long as long as the plants remain moist,the last time i spray them down i use clean water with a 1/4 cup regular peroxide per gallon of water,the clean water rinses off any ferts tha plants did not absorb & the peroxide will kill off any mold spores that may be trapped inside or outside the bud.

As long as you do this before all the sun leaves are experiencing the phase where they start to become very yellow it will breath new life into them & allow the healthy sun laeves to make it all the way to the end of the grow & give max energy into building fatter buds.

The way i was taught this trick was that it replicates a rain day that outdoor plants would allmost certianly have under normal conditions,i use this trick when the new pistil/calyx production starts to slow down,after a few days the pistil production picks back up fast & the plants experience another growth spurt of new pistil & swollen calyx growth instead of finishing off.

Now look,here comes the connaseur guys saying that ferts on the plant will make it taste like chemicals,or that a hermie will pop out

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Goddamn Now THAT is a "free", DIY to increase for sure! If it really works (which it sounds like you know it does), then that kicks ass!! TY 4 the knowledge, bro

has any got good tips at all

buffdog said:

has any got good tips at all

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How's about you,whats your contribution here,where are your growing tips ?

Why would you even bother posting other than to be silly,im gonna start handing out negative reps to you guys pretty soon,not that rep matters but not everybody is here to make their stay at this site 100% fun & games all the time,some people come here to learn new methods & share their methods to help others.So far i see you & several others who unwilling to learn & unable to share any successfull methods so you make jokes instead.

And yes there are good tips here,you could of walked away with an answer to a serious problem you've had with your own grow had you came in here to learn instead of playing games.

The solution to all that moldy bud you grew is right here in this thread by golly,if you werent so busy playing games you'd have seen it & learned how to control moldy budd rott before it ruined another of your harvests.

Toke n talk is the forum you want for fun & games .

how about spraying your buds with sprite..i heard it makes it smell sweet and taste fruity.

panhead said:

Your taking a class right now

Ive had 2 journeyman's cards in 2 seperate trades for 30 plus years,a class

Again you must read,several manufacturers make a "gas burning" c02 generator that is tweaked to run in a non efficient mode & release the toxins into the air,the whole theory of a gas fired co2 generator is for the generators burner to burn in the least efficient manner, in order to release max toxins with the least possible heat being thrown off, a water heaters burner is set to burn as clean as possible to heat in its most efficient mode of operation,a water heater would release much less toxins in the air than a gas fired co2 generator that is designed with the intent to be ran in an indoor grow op.

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Alright you clearly no what your doin. i was just simpily putting in my 2 cents worth. i am just basing my opinion on my little experiences, and what i have learned. i would not reccomend that people be fuckin around with therewater heaters and what not but who am i to stop u.

panhead said:

You guys never stop with the danger nonsense i swear,first you start off saying you usually know what your doing, then go on to quote a mythbusters episode as back up of your complete misunderstanding of this simple task, and you have misunderstood very badly.

The mythbusters guys took hot water heaters,then removed all saftey devices,then they removed & capped off the pressure relief valve so it could not vent,then they pumped the hot water heater full of compressed air until it reached allmost 3 times the water heaters pressure capacity until it exploded,again an entirely different thing than simply moving the exhaust pipe to a new location.

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its liek they dont even read the damn thing...and its the 1st page on this one....LOL

LowRyderMan said:

Alright you clearly no what your doin. i was just simpily putting in my 2 cents worth. i am just basing my opinion on my little experiences, and what i have learned. i would not reccomend that people be fuckin around with therewater heaters and what not but who am i to stop u.

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See this right here is what im talking about & exactly why i put a disclaimer at the start of the thread.

You clearly are not willing to move your hot water heater pipe either from lack of DIY ability,a lack of understanding exactly what a gas fired CO2 generator is & how it is very comparable to a hot water heater, or for other reasons,which is cool with me but where i get lost is when you then reccomend that others do not try this,and you give no basis what so ever as to why you reccomend they not do this

It cant be just me thinking this because im confused as hell & so are others at the motive behind putting in 2 cents if the motive has in no way helped anybody,just saying i dont like it & i reccomend others not do this isnt helping anybody learn anything, & im not saying that to be a dick either but it is a fact.

Every thread is constantly derailed on this site because of that exact type of 2 cents posting,putting in 2 cents is only helpfull when that 2 cents offers some sort of information not contained in the thread allready

This thread has spent the majority of its time time dealing with negative comments from people who are flat out uneducated at how a water heater can explode, & also uneducated in what gas fired co2 generators are & how these gas fired co2 generators are extremely similar in design with a standard gas fired hot water heater,no magic here just two machines that operate in allmost the same fasion & give the same results in a grow op.

If anybody here who has a negative comment would take the time to research what a gas fired co2 generator is,how it works,and where the co2 output comes from maybe this wouldnt be so scary after all.

Please,please,please read & educate yourselfs guys,even if you dont like my idea how can one single member of this forum who's been here over a month not know what a gas fired co2 generator does, & also not understand how it derives the co2 that is supposed to be released into an enclosed grow op.

Just so all you guys who are freaked out know,a gas fired co2 generator will run you between $250 & $1,000 depending on the model & will give off the same gasses as what comes out of all gas operated water heaters,only the gas from the water heater costs nothing .

I discovered a little trick purely by accident a couple of years ago that really does seem to work wonders. It's actually possible to worry or scare your plants into vigorous THC production. Not sure if it will work with all strains, taller growing plants may actually suffer slight negative effects due to this. Anyhoo here it comes.

I was growing some Skunk #2 and found that one of the fem's was a small straggly little bugger that I could not get to flower for the life of me so I lost it a bit and took it out of my grow chamber. I went upstairs cut eye holes out of my pillow case and placed it over my head so the plant wouldn't recognise me. This is where the science comes in. I ran down stairs like a crazed Van Dam on phet called the plant a bitch, offered the plant out and proceded to round house kick about an inch above the top of the stalk. After 30 or so round houses I noticed buds starting to form. After a bit of trial and error I found that the Pillow case and the name calling weren't doing anything. It was the round housing! I did this with all the plants and had my best ever crop..

As I said, it doesn't work with tall weed as it's very easy to kick off top bud off the plant. I've spoken to Howard Marks about this who reckons the plant starts to yield massive amounts because it respects your abilities but I stick by my scare tactic theory. Dwarfs and people under 5 2" should only try this on autoflowering strains and SOG. Cheers for reading, I hope it works for you.

can you get -reps in your own thread??

I agree that this is a reasonably safe endeavor for anybody with any basic DIY skill. I also agree that there is some amount of danger that you've not mentioned nor suggested safeguards against.

It is true that CO2 is the primary byproduct of burning propane and natural gas when burned cleanly.

It is also true that when gas is burned without the correct concentration of oxygen, it will produce CO, or Carbon Monoxide which is DEADLY. It is common place in the US to install CO detectors in residential homes. The reason is the possibility of exhaust leaks or backdrafts from gas burning appliances has the potential to draw in deadly CO, so this is obviously a reasonable concern, right?

So then, would it not be responsible to recommend a CO detector in any room that you were exhausting burning gas into? I wouldn't do this without one.

I'd also suggest that you perform a basic inspection of your water heater before attempting this. You should verify the condition of the burner and the quality of the flame. If you can see a nice even blue flame with yellow tips, then it is reasonable to try this. If you have an old waterheater that has a dirty burner and a clogged air mix, you will be increasing risk.

Now, I believe it's also important to mention the other 2 byproducts of burning gas:

Heat and Humidity

You will also be adding these to your growroom. Make sure that you are prepared to deal with them accordingly. I realize for some, this could even be advantageous, but just be aware.

genfranco said:

its liek they dont even read the damn thing...and its the 1st page on this one....LOL

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Amen brother,im glad other members see this nonsense for what it is,to me this type shit is very disenheartening & knocks the wind right the fuk out of my sails,not that i need an atta boy or have a need to be johnny super helper but fuk,its gotta stop on this site,people refuse to educate themselves on a topic then offer opinions containing warnings of explosion,danger,fire ect ect ect,even broke out mthybusters & used their show as back up & never even took the time to understand how mythbusters forced the water heaters to explode in the 1st place,or to understand that what was on mythbusters is different from this thread.

I saw it on tv so its gotta be the same thing,right

Its getting near impossible to teach new growers anything on this site without total & complete thread disruption,is it just me that believes this or should posts contain some sort of helpfull information in them ,or if the post is going against the thread topic that post should contain factual information backing up wild claims of danger that get thrown around just for the sake of putting in 2 cents.


Here's another great example,our grow faq is missing any instructions for members to safely add extra power lines to their grow room,i see every day here kids with 37 cfl bulbs screwed into a conglomeration of Y connectors all plugged into a dollar store white 2 prong ungrounded extension cord.

I say enough is enough & start thinking that this site needs a tutorial on how to show noobs how to safely power their rooms.

I put together an in depth picture tutorial, showing step by step instructions to add power lines,each step was complete with a picture & written explaination of how to accomplish each step,i also included explainations telling "why" each step must be performed to retain saftey from fire & or electrocution.

I spent a couple hours of my time getting the materials together,then another few hours taking pictures of each step,then took my own notes of each step so i wouldnt forget anything & the tutorial would be up to buildig code.

Then after i finished the install & all the pictures i sat down to write the tutorial,i asked on the very first post to please not post till i was finished,i wrote the tutorial in 6 seperate chapters taking great pains to over explain all relative information,in total it took me 6 hours of writing to put together the picture tutorial ,then i posted that the tutorial was finished & to please keep all comments of an informative nature.

Wouldnt you know it,in the very 1st post of the tutorial here comes one of the 2 cents danger guys,he posts saying that somebody is going to get killed or burn their house down,then sure as shit within minutes here come the followers with the usual crap,danger this & fire that,come to find out the 1st danger will robinson member was freaked out because i didnt tell people to wear non conductive footwear .

I dont understand the sheer need these members have that compels them to post in every thread in sight when the posts contain no information regarding the topic at hand,just 2 cents for the sake of taking away the boredom & making a post.

Thank you to the membership who actually takes the time to educate themselves about a thread topic before they post.

AeroKing said:

I agree that this is a reasonably safe endeavor for anybody with any basic DIY skill. I also agree that there is some amount of danger that you've not mentioned nor suggested safeguards against.

It is true that CO2 is the primary byproduct of burning propane and natural gas when burned cleanly.

It is also true that when gas is burned without the correct concentration of oxygen, it will produce CO, or Carbon Monoxide which is DEADLY. It is common place in the US to install CO detectors in residential homes. The reason is the possibility of exhaust leaks or backdrafts from gas burning appliances has the potential to draw in deadly CO, so this is obviously a reasonable concern, right?

So then, would it not be responsible to recommend a CO detector in any room that you were exhausting burning gas into? I wouldn't do this without one.

I'd also suggest that you perform a basic inspection of your water heater before attempting this. You should verify the condition of the burner and the quality of the flame. If you can see a nice even blue flame with yellow tips, then it is reasonable to try this. If you have an old waterheater that has a dirty burner and a clogged air mix, you will be increasing risk.

Now, I believe it's also important to mention the other 2 byproducts of burning gas:

Heat and Humidity

You will also be adding these to your growroom. Make sure that you are prepared to deal with them accordingly. I realize for some, this could even be advantageous, but just be aware.

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See now that is a helpfull,informed,well thought out,educated & all around great post.

This post right here is what thread participation is all about.

Thank you.

doniawon said:

can you get -reps in your own thread??

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I can give - or + rep as well as any other member can give or recieve - or + rep in any thread,if you feel my thread topic deserves a minus rep feel free to give me one,i can take it,i wont cry i promise.

Just be sure you leave a good or bad rep based on information & not childishness, because that is not what the rep system is supposed to be for.

i might try this, my room is barely 2 feet from my HWH and is vented outside. i dont see any reason to fear for my life.

smokeberry - i see you come from the chuck norris school of growing