Fuck Greenhouse Seed Company!!

94blowncobra

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Is this the only GHS WW you have grown out? There two Phenos one a tall stretchy one like you grew and a shorter more bushy like i grew. The tall stretchy takes more time to flower and for resin production to take place it happens around the 6th week and flowers until around the 10-12th week mark. Green house seeds state 8 week and 2 week TOTAL darkness so thats a total of 10 weeks widow is not a short flowering indica to really get the resin production or to make it have that WHITE appearance the dark period is a must. Also the tall stretchy might yield less but is better smoke that being said how long did you flower for and did you wait for amber trics or just chop at 8 weeks?
She went 10 weeks 12-12.

It had maybe 5-10% amber, and the rest were cloudy and some still clear.

She could of went another week but this plant looked like it was going to be a early finisher from the start. The pistils turned brown and receded at 5 weeks. Ive never seen a plant turn so quickly. So taking it to 10 weeks should have been plenty. Im not saying it wont be enjoyable smoke, im just like WTF about the resin production!

I wasnt aware about putting them in darkness for 2 weeks either. Where did you get all the info on the ww about their being 2 phenos and 2 weeks of darkness?
 

Artificial emotion

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Greenhouse seed co is a wank seed company but they have one good strain, Super Lemon Haze. It's actually pretty awesome, although it's almost certainly been bred by an outsourced breeder, not Arjan or Franco.

Greenhouse seed co have really bad ethics. They introduced feminized seeds to Africa rather than letting them just use their traditional landrace strains. This is pretty despicable behavior IMO. Their strains turn hermie too frequently and they don't replace dodgy orders when they know very well that they're selling a substandard product.

I've bought their Super Lemon Haze but I feel really guilty about funding such shitty company. I should've used my money elsewhere, although I'm sure I've got a really good strain at least.
 

SlimJim503

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She went 10 weeks 12-12.

It had maybe 5-10% amber, and the rest were cloudy and some still clear.

She could of went another week but this plant looked like it was going to be a early finisher from the start. The pistils turned brown and receded at 5 weeks. Ive never seen a plant turn so quickly. So taking it to 10 weeks should have been plenty. Im not saying it wont be enjoyable smoke, im just like WTF about the resin production!

I wasnt aware about putting them in darkness for 2 weeks either. Where did you get all the info on the ww about their being 2 phenos and 2 weeks of darkness?

Green House Seeds White Widow
is the most potent cannabis on Earth and is named for the abundance of trichomes, giving the plant a whitish tint. It is also one of the more powerful strains of marijuana (alongside AK-47 and Afghan Kush) with a very high 20%-25% THC content.
White Widow feminized seeds are (60%/40%) indica/sativa cross-strain and is best suited to indoor cannabis cultivation. Our feminized seeds grow as high as 35-80 cm with the yield up to 450 gr per m2. It's suggested to flower (12 hour light) this marijuana variety for 8 weeks, but 10 weeks will really give you the crystals you are after. Try to turn the lights off altogether the final 2 weeks of the flowering cycle- or at least down to 8 hours. This keeps the flowers from re-growth and stresses the plant into giving up its last drop of goodness as crystal to protect the flower! The buds have so much THC on them that it is hard to see them at all.

Also there is a grow video FROM greenhouse on how to grow the fucking plant and its requirements my WW looked exactly the same as there and was DANK AS FUCK. I've talked to a handful of proven growers meaning I've seen there plants and smoke there dank and from what i have gathered there is two phenos one that stretchs like all hell like the yours did and the pheno green house shows in there grow video the one i had the short bushy rock hard tight node monster. I have yet to buy a breeder pack to see if there is anymore but countless hours of talking and research and growing has shown me only two.
 

94blowncobra

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Green House Seeds White Widow
is the most potent cannabis on Earth and is named for the abundance of trichomes, giving the plant a whitish tint. It is also one of the more powerful strains of marijuana (alongside AK-47 and Afghan Kush) with a very high 20%-25% THC content.
White Widow feminized seeds are (60%/40%) indica/sativa cross-strain and is best suited to indoor cannabis cultivation. Our feminized seeds grow as high as 35-80 cm with the yield up to 450 gr per m2. It's suggested to flower (12 hour light) this marijuana variety for 8 weeks, but 10 weeks will really give you the crystals you are after. Try to turn the lights off altogether the final 2 weeks of the flowering cycle- or at least down to 8 hours. This keeps the flowers from re-growth and stresses the plant into giving up its last drop of goodness as crystal to protect the flower! The buds have so much THC on them that it is hard to see them at all.

Also there is a grow video FROM greenhouse on how to grow the fucking plant and its requirements my WW looked exactly the same as there and was DANK AS FUCK. I've talked to a handful of proven growers meaning I've seen there plants and smoke there dank and from what i have gathered there is two phenos one that stretchs like all hell like the yours did and the pheno green house shows in there grow video the one i had the short bushy rock hard tight node monster. I have yet to buy a breeder pack to see if there is anymore but countless hours of talking and research and growing has shown me only two.
I had watched those grow vids. But come on, at 10 weeks regardless of being in the dark or not, that bitch didnt have shit for resin! I got a bean with completely different genetics, then what was advertised.
Im growing,Lemon Skunk, Trainwreck, SLH, Jack Herer, Chemdog, all have 2-3 times the resin production as the WW?? I dont think 2 weeks of darkness would help it at all.
 

0calli

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Blacklights will as the uv-a and uv-b they put out cause the plants to produce more resin to protect against these rays im currently doing it now on two of the 4 plants same strain and the two under are way more frosty very noticibly
i had watched those grow vids. But come on, at 10 weeks regardless of being in the dark or not, that bitch didnt have shit for resin! I got a bean with completely different genetics, then what was advertised.
Im growing,lemon skunk, trainwreck, slh, jack herer, chemdog, all have 2-3 times the resin production as the ww?? I dont think 2 weeks of darkness would help it at all.
 

Artificial emotion

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Green House Seeds White Widow
is the most potent cannabis on Earth and is named for the abundance of trichomes, giving the plant a whitish tint. It is also one of the more powerful strains of marijuana (alongside AK-47 and Afghan Kush) with a very high 20%-25% THC content.
White Widow feminized seeds are (60%/40%) indica/sativa cross-strain and is best suited to indoor cannabis cultivation. Our feminized seeds grow as high as 35-80 cm with the yield up to 450 gr per m2. It's suggested to flower (12 hour light) this marijuana variety for 8 weeks, but 10 weeks will really give you the crystals you are after. Try to turn the lights off altogether the final 2 weeks of the flowering cycle- or at least down to 8 hours. This keeps the flowers from re-growth and stresses the plant into giving up its last drop of goodness as crystal to protect the flower! The buds have so much THC on them that it is hard to see them at all.

Also there is a grow video FROM greenhouse on how to grow the fucking plant and its requirements my WW looked exactly the same as there and was DANK AS FUCK. I've talked to a handful of proven growers meaning I've seen there plants and smoke there dank and from what i have gathered there is two phenos one that stretchs like all hell like the yours did and the pheno green house shows in there grow video the one i had the short bushy rock hard tight node monster. I have yet to buy a breeder pack to see if there is anymore but countless hours of talking and research and growing has shown me only two.
You obviously haven't grown Black Widow, aka the real White Widow from Shanti, not some rip off White Widow from Arjan. For your positive review there are probably dozens of negative ones. If you want the real WW why not buy from Mr Nice and support the original breeder of the strain?

The origin of the White Widow strain is quite well known, although its history is problematic. This most famous plant has since its birth in 1994 won a number of awards, including first place in the 1995 High Times Cannabis Cup. Known to be highly resinous and extremely potent, the plant has the ability to humble even the most experienced smoker and has been used in the making of countless new hybrids, always improving on quality.

This strain was first released by Shantibaba shortly after he founded the Green House Seed Company in 1994 in collaboration with a Dutch partner called Arjan. The pedigree of this famous sativa/indica hybrid is made up of a pure Brazilian sativa mother and a South Indian, Keralan hybrid father. The exact origins of the mother plant remains somewhat of a mystery but the most educated guess is that it could possibly be the old school, pure Brazilian landrace sativa Manga Rosa, which has a long history of spiritual use. The Father was discovered during a trip to India where Shantibaba was approached by a man, who after sharing a joint with him, eventually led him to his farm in the mountains of Kerala. The farmer then introduced him to a indica hybrid that had been selectively cultivated and bred towards optimum resin production in his village for a very long time. After several days of sampling the farmers plants, Shantibaba left for the Netherlands with a batch of fresh seeds, from which he was to discover the male for his White Widow cross. He eventually bred it to the Brazilian Sativa mother, forming the spectacular union that countless gardens across the globe have been blessed with ever since.

While working alongside Neville Schoenmaker (the father of Dutch seed banks) on joint projects, several new hybrids with superior genetics were established. Some of the stock that they used dated back to the early days of the Seed Bank that Neville himself had founded, a company that later became reformed under new ownership and known as Sensi Seeds. During the time when the White Widow was created, Shantibaba and Neville concentrated on the breeding aspect of the business while Arjan, not being a breeder himself, was left in charge of promotion and sales. After some conflict of interests between the owners, Shantibaba sold his half of the Green House Seed Company to Arjan in 1998 and left for Switzerland to form the Mr. Nice seed bank, taking the original White Widow parents with him.

Dispensing with the somewhat theatrical tactics of his competitor, the master breeder Shantibaba then concentrated on supplying growers with superior quality strains from both old and new world genetics. The exceptional quality of his products can hardly be disputed by anyone. He started breeding the Widow under the flag of his newly formed brand and gave it the name Black Widow as the name White Widow was already being marketed by Arjan over at Green House Seeds. This is where the history of the strain becomes problematic. Shantibaba discovered many of his strains while working under the Green House label but apparently never shared the parental stock of his strains with anyone. This would indicate that he alone is in possession of the original parents of the Widow. Nevertheless, the Green House Seed Company still offer many of his and Neville’s strains, claiming that they are from original stock. Most notable of these strains are the White Widow (Black Widow), White Rhino (Medicine Man), Great White Shark (Shark Shock), El Nino (La Niña), Neville’s Haze and Super Silver Haze.

The Origins of White Widow

by Weedguru Higher » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:04 pm
The Origins of White Widow
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The origin of the White Widow strain is quite well known, although its history is problematic. This most famous plant has since its birth in 1994 won a number of awards, including first place in the 1995 High Times Cannabis Cup. Known to be highly resinous and extremely potent, the plant has the ability to humble even the most experienced smoker and has been used in the making of countless new hybrids, always improving on quality.

This strain was first released by Shantibaba shortly after he founded the Green House Seed Company in 1994 in collaboration with a Dutch partner called Arjan. The pedigree of this famous sativa/indica hybrid is made up of a pure Brazilian sativa mother and a South Indian, Keralan hybrid father. The exact origins of the mother plant remains somewhat of a mystery but the most educated guess is that it could possibly be the old school, pure Brazilian landrace sativa Manga Rosa, which has a long history of spiritual use. The Father was discovered during a trip to India where Shantibaba was approached by a man, who after sharing a joint with him, eventually led him to his farm in the mountains of Kerala. The farmer then introduced him to a indica hybrid that had been selectively cultivated and bred towards optimum resin production in his village for a very long time. After several days of sampling the farmers plants, Shantibaba left for the Netherlands with a batch of fresh seeds, from which he was to discover the male for his White Widow cross. He eventually bred it to the Brazilian Sativa mother, forming the spectacular union that countless gardens across the globe have been blessed with ever since.

While working alongside Neville Schoenmaker (the father of Dutch seed banks) on joint projects, several new hybrids with superior genetics were established. Some of the stock that they used dated back to the early days of the Seed Bank that Neville himself had founded, a company that later became reformed under new ownership and known as Sensi Seeds. During the time when the White Widow was created, Shantibaba and Neville concentrated on the breeding aspect of the business while Arjan, not being a breeder himself, was left in charge of promotion and sales. After some conflict of interests between the owners, Shantibaba sold his half of the Green House Seed Company to Arjan in 1998 and left for Switzerland to form the Mr. Nice seed bank, taking the original White Widow parents with him.

Dispensing with the somewhat theatrical tactics of his competitor, the master breeder Shantibaba then concentrated on supplying growers with superior quality strains from both old and new world genetics. The exceptional quality of his products can hardly be disputed by anyone. He started breeding the Widow under the flag of his newly formed brand and gave it the name Black Widow as the name White Widow was already being marketed by Arjan over at Green House Seeds. This is where the history of the strain becomes problematic. Shantibaba discovered many of his strains while working under the Green House label but apparently never shared the parental stock of his strains with anyone. This would indicate that he alone is in possession of the original parents of the Widow. Nevertheless, the Green House Seed Company still offer many of his and Neville’s strains, claiming that they are from original stock. Most notable of these strains are the White Widow (Black Widow), White Rhino (Medicine Man), Great White Shark (Shark Shock), El Nino (La Niña), Neville’s Haze and Super Silver Haze.



Not without a sense of irony, many of these plants have accumulated an impressive amount of awards for the Green House Seed Company over the years. The fact however remains that all these plants can be traced back to the original breeders Shantibaba and Neville, who in an attempt to avoid confusion, renamed some of their strains. Sadly, despite their efforts, confusion and contradiction ensued and several people came crawling out of the woodwork, claiming to have created the now already popular White Widow strain.

According to an interview for the German cannabis magazine Grow; a breeder named Ingemar also takes all the credit for inventing the White Widow strain. The perhaps self-proclaimed, ‘Father of the White Widow’ also offer his own version of the plant and several hybrids like the notoriously potent Ingemar’s Punch through the DeSjamaan seed bank and the White Widow Web. He is also working closely with Arjan over at Green House Seeds, supplying him with the allegedly only and true genetics of the White Widow strain. Although secretive about the lineage of this version of the Widow, it soon becomes apparent that Ingemar’s creation is of totally different pedigree than the original plant which Shantibaba invented. Ingemar claims that the genetics for the Widow were found among some hand rubbed hashish and that the plant was then worked on for some 6 years before the strain was released. The earliest descriptions on the White Widow were however made by Shantibaba himself so the authenticity and genetic make up of this parallel version of the Widow remains a mystery.

Today almost every breeder and seed bank sell seeds that they claim to be the original White Widow. In 1996, both the Nirvana and Dutch Passion seed companies purchased a single pack of White Widow seeds from Shantibaba himself at the Green House Seed Company and within a year released their own versions of the Widow. Undoubtedly all very potent and nice plants, the question whether or not all the White Widow plants on the market today can actually be considered pure remains highly speculative since the only true parental stock remain in the sole care of Shantibaba and the Mr. Nice seed bank.

Why so many different breeders blatantly claim to have personally invented this strain is puzzling although understandable due to its commercial success. New breeders keep emerging, claiming authority over the White Widow strain, including a breeder called Ecotronics who also boldly states that everybody is making money off the seed line that he himself invented. There can be only one truth, however hazy it has become over the years.

Since so many labels claim to have the original version, we are faced with a problem; which version of the White Widow to get? The answer is that if you are looking for the original White Widow, first released some 15 years ago, you should go for the Black Widow from Mr. Nice. If Shantibaba indeed holds the only parents of this plant, which seems highly plausible, the only true and original White Widow plant that can be found on the market today is the Black Widow from his seed line.

Latrodectus mactans, also known as the southern Black Widow spider was the primary taxonomy used to describe the three species of spiders commonly referred to as the Black Widow spider prior to the early 1970’s. Unknown to most, there exists three species of the North American Black Widow spider. Along with Latrodectus mactans, the Latrodectus variolus (northern Black Widow) and Latrodectus hesperus (western Black Widow) are considered species of the North American Black Widow spider, not to be confused of course, with the false Black Widow spider. Such is the case with the infamous White Widow variety of cannabis, a strain of marijuana whose pedigree ultimately consists of a union between a South Indian hybrid and Brazilian Sativa. Her introduction to the masses in 1994 marked the end of an era in Dutch breeding circles and the beginning of a dynasty. Now known as Black Widow, the original White Widow would forever change the face of Dutch breeding and would go on too cement itself firmly as being among the most important strains of cannabis developed in the 20th century.

White Widow was originally bred by Shantibaba, the original founder, owner and head breeder of The Green House Seed Company (GHSC). The variety known as White Widow immediately catapulted itself into rock star status upon introduction to the public in 1994. Within a year of its initial release, White Widow took first place at the High Times Cannabis Cup in 1995 and a wave of copy cat White Widow varieties hit the market soon after. In 1996, both Nirvana and Dutch Passion seed companies purchased a single pack of White Widow seeds respectively from Shantibaba himself at the GHSC and within a year released their own versions of Widow. It wasn’t long before one would be hard pressed to find varieties of cannabis seed available from Holland that weren’t hybrids of the original White Widow released in 1994, literally breathing life into the Dutch cannabis breeding scene that had lagged in the time prior to White Widows release. For many years in Holland varieties such as Northern Lights, Skunk, Afghani and Haze were staples of the Dutch breeding community and with the introduction of White Widow came a renewed vigor in breeding top of the line, commercial and medicinal quality strains of cannabis. With success my friends, breeds greed and contempt for ones fellow man. A wave of White Widow varieties were available to the public by the late 1990’s, all of which were either hybrids a selected White Widow variety from a commercially available pack of F1 White Widow seeds from the GHSC, backcrosses from the original Widow or in some cases out right fraudulent lines to begin with. Having no true relation to the original Widow through hybridization or backcrossing. Imposters! To add to the growing complicated Widow landscape of the time, unscrupulous characters such as Ingemar, a former employee of the GHSC and self described breeder emerged claiming to be the true breeder of White Widow, offering their own version of the now legendary strain of cannabis. As if the whirlwind of disinformation wasn’t enough, along with Ingemar, yet another man who calls himself “Ecotronics” has laid claim to being the true breeder of White Widow and has been insistent everybody else is making money off of his line. While nothing is ever as black and white as it would seem from the outside looking in, it’s this kind of success and ultimately, confusion, that leads to the eventual name change of the original White Widow to the now proverbial Black Widow.

For those of you who may be in possession of genetics related to the Ingemar White Widow, but whom may be finding this article disappointing, I have you covered in that department as well. At one point in time, the man known as Ingemar worked for the GHSC, but if you were to believe Ingemar’s own account of the pedigree of his White Widow lines, one is left with the impression we are talking about distinctly different lines of White Widow from that of the Mr. Nice Seeds White Widow aka Black Widow. According to Ingemar, who now proudly assumes the title of “The Father of White Widow”, the pedigree of his line of White Widow is a secret, but that it was ultimately created from two seeds found in hand rolled hash which were subsequently selectively inbred for at least six years. Ingemar claims to have had access at the time to acres of land that he used to select the best plants from literally thousands of specimens. Again, the exact criteria Ingemar used to select his plants are kept a secret but he has been quoted as stating feed back from numerous medical users over the years played a role in the selection process of his particular White Widow line. According to Ingemar, the GHSC now uses his White Widow lines with express permission given solely to Arjan to use the name White Widow. In an ironic twist of fate, the GHSC now takes complete credit for the breeding and success of White Widow, without mention of either Ingemar or the true breeder of White Widow, Shantibaba, who of course is the only person in existence today with access to the original mother and father lines that created this now mythical variety of cannabis.

As was mentioned earlier, the pedigree of the Mr. Nice seeds Black Widow is the result of a union between a south Indian hybrid indica and a Brazilian sativa. The south Indian hybrid was found at Kovalum Beach, but it was ultimately cultivated in the surrounding mountainous terrain of Kerala. Shantibaba has stated in the past that the special qualities of the south Indian hybrid were enough for him to schedule a “safari” into the mountains of Kerala to find it on his Enfield bike. Within a few days, Shantibaba found himself “sitting in a café drinking a chai and smoking a joint”, when a middle aged, glassy eyed fellow approached him and helped finish off his smoke. After getting severely stoned and drinking the last of their tea, Shantibaba accompanied the man back to his farm only to discover this was the grower of the strain that had lead him into the mountains to begin with. After several days of testing numerous samples of marijuana, all of which had been cultivated, selected and “bred” for years based on resin production, selection was ultimately made on what would later become known as one half of the legendary pedigree of Black Widow. The man who helped Shantibaba finish his joint and ultimately supplied the seed that would later become known as the South Indian hybrid, told him that the seed had always been in his village, but that variation existed among the line depending on which village you visited to gather your wares. The plants are said to finish rather fast, but aesthetic wise have a sativa-esk appearance to them. Along with the Black Widow, several hybrids of this deadly lady have went on to garner much acclaim in their own right, most notably the White Rhino (now known as Medicine Man) and Great White Shark (also known as Peacemaker and Shark Shock), both of which have won a multitude of awards and cups in their own right, with the Medicine Mans pedigree consisting of Black Widow x Afghani and the Shark Shocks pedigree being Black Widow x Skunk#1. These are the original, “true blue” champion lines that garnered the reputations which precede themselves. Both lines find their ultimate pedigree traced back to the original White Widow bred by Shantibaba at the GHSC, now of Mr. Nice seeds (MNS), fronted by the legendary hash smuggler Howard Marks alongside the original “King of Cannabis”, Neville Schoenmaker.

It should be noted there are several Widow Hybrids available to the public from MNS, but all varieties containing the name Widow in the description come from either a select male or female cultivar, both from the same generation whom have underwent extensive testing. Hybrids such as Medicine Man, La Nina, G13xSkunk and Shark Shock are all varieties offered by MNS that encompass the Black Widow father as the main building block for their pedigrees. The exact formula of this male is somewhat of a mystery for all but the select few, however extensive breeding was done on the original White Widow (Black Widow) line and the male contains both the South Indian hybrid sativa/indica and the Brazilian Sativa. In very general terms, within a pack of seed of Black Widow one should expect the females to yield somewhere in the neighborhood of 350-400 grams per square meter. Of course it is phenotype dependant, but an experienced grower could probably do better with some time spent working with the line. Outdoors, the plants can be expected to finish by mid-October. Between the major three, Black Widow, Medicine Man and Shark Shock, the Medicine Man is touted as the fastest variety, coming in between mid September and October with the Shark Shock expected right around the beginning of October, give or a take a few days of course. Of all the hybrids however, Shantibaba describes the Shark Shock as the most successful breed of the ‘90s. One can not go wrong with any of the Widow selections; however the Black Widow is obviously perfect for the amateur breeder. If one was to find themselves in Amsterdam with some time to spare to try each line for them selves, according to Shantibaba the Katsu coffee shop on the Sarphatti Park, along with a gentleman known as Mr. Haze (supplier of official MNS gear to many Dutch coffee shops) and quite a few others stock the MNS Black Widow.

When it’s all said and done, at the end of the day, those at Mr. Nice Seeds hold the original parental lines that produced the White strains that won all of the acclaim in the mid to late 1990’s. The awards and cups are documented, and exist as irrefutable proof of the true origins of the White Widow line. These varieties of White lines are not nearly uncommon, but are of a quality rarely seen on a consistent basis that have managed to capture the hearts and minds of millions of cannabis enthusiasts the world over. Unfortunately, it is all too easy to be led in the wrong direction when it comes to the quest for the true White Widow. Now the picture should be painted much clearer for you. Though, the search has only just begun. Selection is the key to success with any variety, but with some diligence you too can have a mother plant that produces herb almost too toxic to indulge in on a consistent basis. Heed my warning; this is one of the most powerful varieties of cannabis known to mankind. Handle with care, because these lines are known to leave even the most experienced of smokers pleading for mercy. Good luck out there, friends. However, if you go to Mr. Nice seeds to get your Widow you’re not going to need it.
 

SlimJim503

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All of what you posted is what i have already stated in previous posts.....I smoked the org white widow in the 90's it was actually one of the first super dank buds i smoked and im from the west coast were we pride ourselves in our genetics and are WORLD known even before the medical craze. Nope i have yet to grow out Black but from all the pics i have seen of it they look the same in structure and in flowers until i grow both side by side i wont believe Mr. Nice Black widow to be any better then GHS WW is a damn heavy yielder very uniform and produces a lot of branching also one damn hard plant to kill and very very forgiving i would recommend it to any first time grower and for sure to those who know how to grow looking for that heavy hitting indi;-)
 

Artificial emotion

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^ fair enough, I couldn't be bothered to trawl through the previous 23 pages.

I would have thought you would reserve judgement about Mr Nice Black Widow if you haven't grown it? Unless you've heard bad reviews of the strain I don't understand why you would take that view given the facts about the origins of the strain and both seed companies respective reputations and business practices.

The reason I take a dim view of GHSC is because of all the negative experiences people have had and their backhanded way of doing business.
 

NiKEUS

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This seems to be the problem doesn't it, to every 10 negative views on GHSC there seem's to be 1 positive.
I find it hard to believe that there that many bad growers, its not a rocket science and especially when you have had people say from other seed breeders they had no problems or slight problems but major problems seem to pop up with GHSC especially when it comes to end result in terms of quality. There has to be an underlying factor, there is no smoke without fire.....
 

0calli

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not saying your wrong agree mostly wyo but that many growers lol how nay growers you think know what they are doing im willing to bet 30% or less........ and more new growers buy seeds online than experienced growers so more fuk ups and you say 1 out of every ten says good results but look at when growers have a problem with quality or size you get 0 out of 10 saying it was there fault yes there is no smoke without fire but there is no fire without a match know what im saying.............hence no "smoke" (which is quality) without the reaction "fire" (the grower)....and no fire without the action of lighting a "match" (which is the grower doing bad feeding lighting etc) .....thought id break it down for ya
This seems to be the problem doesn't it, to every 10 negative views on GHSC there seem's to be 1 positive.
I find it hard to believe that there that many bad growers, its not a rocket science and especially when you have had people say from other seed breeders they had no problems or slight problems but major problems seem to pop up with GHSC especially when it comes to end result in terms of quality. There has to be an underlying factor, there is no smoke without fire.....
 

NiKEUS

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I understand your point, with GHSC being a big seller i'm sure there are many growers who don't have a clue who buy there seeds having problems, but when experienced growers are having a number of problems, it's a concern.
 
me personally i think arjan has done TONS for the canna community.

franko is a legend. can that dude say "piney & lemony" enough?

i mean bubblegum x kush = bubba kush

y'all is trippin on some damn fine gear.

shanti was a cheater.
arjan is the king.
 

Artificial emotion

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^ I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but Arjan has done fuck all for the canna community. In fact, he's done a lot to harm it.

If he cared about the canna community so much then he wouldn't do things like just produce feminized seed or hand out non-indigenous feminized seed to farmers growing landrace strains in their home countries.

As for Shanti being a cheater, are you kidding me?
 

themanwiththeplan

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Idk. I try to get behind them just because i think they offer seeds at a good price (and lets be honest finding good genetics for cheap is always a win-win) but i see WAY too many inconsistencies at least in some of their varieties ive bought or got as freebies.

right now for instance i have a King's kush almost finished in flower (2wks left) and a Great white shark in veg.

BOTH are runts to this point (well im sure the KK is)..

Im really upset with the KK. the buds are TINY and if you see the rest of my plants the other buds are HUGE in comparison. I have NO IDEA why it sucked so bad but i should have just killed it off within the first 3wks of flower at most. However i figured i got that far with it might as well let it finish.

sucks and STINKS but not in that good mj smell way...its very offensive and earth/plant like. not the good pot smell. you'd almost think its moldy but its not actually. i doubt the smoke is gonna be that stellar either.
 

SlimJim503

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Some plants take different requirements so unless you establish a mother and run that strain you will never see the full potential of that "SINGLE" plant not to mention you cant judge a book by its cover meaning growing one seed of ONE strain and then blasting it cuz it failed to produce and not even establishing a mother of that ONE seed then going around blasting a company for providing good genetics in FEM seed form for a great deal........Not all seeds are equal from a batch and some favor different parents and some are throw backs then you get the ones that are true hybrids and thats the price you pay when you want 31 flavors cough cough;-) So if you want to truly check out a plant/strain you can go pick a mix but your odds are slim to getting a winner if you get a breeders pack you WILL get damn good genetics and if your SMART establish a mother that way you dont have to grow out 10 again to establish a mother. Around $80 for said pack and then you have ENDLESS top shelf dank. If you want to save yourself the hassle then find someone with said mother and get clones off them just make sure that its a proven mother and not just a clone farm thats another BIG reason seedbanks and strains get bad names. Shit a lot of the popular hybrids are copies of GHS gear. If Mr Nice was the soul owner and he was the only one that had the true genetics it would be world known and GHS would not win shit but they do and did this year;-) You should see this kids white label purple haze it looks like a dead x-mas tree with all the needles fallen off then with a few pistils here and there its throwing single blade long fingered leafs at the top and full mature leafs on the bottom all shorts of fucked up still cant say they seedbank sucks maybe its that batch or the strain but you cant blast the whole line of strains or even that single one without trying it a few more times. Also some crosses are't the best and you really have to look for those crown jewels you really think they win cups with a freebie or a pick and mix NO its there pride and joy out of hundreds of plants or at least a 50. You cant tell me you haven't gotten that one plant that stays in your mind and if you were lucky enough to establish a mother your one lucky SOB but for the most part if it gets you high isn't complete fluff and yeilds more then $10 worth of medicene i would say you got a good deal establish a mother and you save 1000's in buying herb and seeds/clones for a $10-$80 investment..... Same goes for ANY breeder also you have to make sure you are getting the real deal when buying said seeds!!!!
 

Capt. Stickyfingers

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me personally i think arjan has done TONS for the canna community.

franko is a legend. can that dude say "piney & lemony" enough?

i mean bubblegum x kush = bubba kush

y'all is trippin on some damn fine gear.

shanti was a cheater.
arjan is the king.
I hope you're being sarcastic. If so, you're a funny guy. If not, you're a funny guy.
 

SlimJim503

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That's the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time. The most potent cannabis on earth? Ha! Every strain I have going right now will KILL ghs ww in potency and flavor. If I were you I would stop quoting Arjan, it's going to make you look pretty stupid in the long run.
No my man your the fool i didn't quote shit i simply copied and pasted off of attitudes page they asked where i read 2 weeks total darkness sry to kill your troll there but nice try:-)
 

Capt. Stickyfingers

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No my man your the fool i didn't quote shit i simply copied and pasted off of attitudes page they asked where i read 2 weeks total darkness sry to kill your troll there but nice try:-)
Copy and pasting someone else's words in quoting, genius. How exactly am I a fool? Can you elaborate for me?
 
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