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Carthoris

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He was being targeted for his involvement in terrorist activities. He wasalready being tried in absentia in Yemen for plotting to kill foreigners.The dude was a terrorist, how hard is it to understand that, as a terrorist youare not going to be afforded the luxuries of "due process"?

Would you seriously have preferred that this guy get a trial in DC, andperhaps even walk away on some miscarriage of justice via"technicalities"? He had no regard for the legal systems of eitherthe US or Yemen, and was actively involved in terrorist activity directedtowards both countries. There's little reason to equate his fate to that of anytypical American, just like there is little reason to equate the precedents setby the PA to any ordinary American. To do so is a gross exaggeration gearedtowards fear-mongering the American public.
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I have no regard for the legal systems of the US either. Neither do the rest of you, Marijuana growers are outlaws, even the 'medically legal' ones. I resist the fact that ANYONE has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do in my life if it isn't hurting someone else.

Yes, I most certainly would have preferred he had a trial, and none of us can even say for certain if he even did anything wrong. If you don't remember our government decided Saddam Hussein had nukes and was connected to the 9/11 attacks. The fact that anyone in our government can just put someones name on a list without a trial or even formally accusing them of anything is about as fucked up as it gets. We wouldn't allow an unmanned drone attack, bombing, or sniping of an American in America. The CIA doing it to an American outside of America is no different. How long before they use these tactics in the country? Sure, today we are safe, political dissent is safe. In 10 years, who knows, maybe we keep accepting that the government needs more leeway and power in dealing with terrorists and threats to our country. In 10 years maybe they decide people who believe in things outside of the mainstream are threats. Maybe they decide people who are communists are threats to security and start killing them or maybe they decide Ron Paul's supporters are extremists and start killing them.

Isn't justifying what we are doing the same as if the leader of Iran killed an Iranian in the USA for being a spy? How is this any different than Gaddafi or any of the other regimes killing 'traitors'? Oh, its ok, our government is the good guys.
 
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redivider

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if you want to argue against something, argue against the tens of thousands of innocent iraqis that have been killed since that war started.

or against all the innocent yemenis that have been killed by errant US drone strikes.

don't argue when it goes right. argue when it goes horribly wrong.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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Carthoris said:
I have no regard for the legal systems of the US either. Neither do the rest of you, Marijuana growers are outlaws, even the 'medically legal' ones. I resist the fact that ANYONE has the right to tell me what I can or cannot do in my life if it isn't hurting someone else.

Yes, I most certainly would have preferred he had a trial, and none of us can even say for certain if he even did anything wrong. If you don't remember our government decided Saddam Hussein had nukes and was connected to the 9/11 attacks. The fact that anyone in our government can just put someones name on a list without a trial or even formally accusing them of anything is about as fucked up as it gets. We wouldn't allow an unmanned drone attack, bombing, or sniping of an American in America. The CIA doing it to an American outside of America is no different. How long before they use these tactics in the country? Sure, today we are safe, political dissent is safe. In 10 years, who knows, maybe we keep accepting that the government needs more leeway and power in dealing with terrorists and threats to our country. In 10 years maybe they decide people who believe in things outside of the mainstream are threats. Maybe they decide people who are communists are threats to security and start killing them or maybe they decide Ron Paul's supporters are extremists and start killing them.

Isn't justifying what we are doing the same as if the leader of Iran killed an Iranian in the USA for being a spy? How is this any different than Gaddafi or any of the other regimes killing 'traitors'? Oh, its ok, our government is the good guys.
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Well, your mentality is one of the reasons that I opposed prop 19: I held regard for the terms of cultivation with the law as it stands. You can be as headstrong as you like, but your indifference is not always going to reciprocated by others.

Saddamn? You are equating this guy with Saddamn, and still finding sympathies? But you are at least citing a worthy simile both attacked other Arabs and were killed.

And you worry about the "freedom" of America 10 years from now? Dude, unless you are a terrorist, I wouldn't worry! It's really that simple. Also, if you are worried about "believing something out of the mainstream" start reading things OUT of the mainstream. Try something "nerdy" like "World Affairs Journal" to get an idea of "mainstream" is thinking (they seem to be one of the least-biased thinky-mags at Barnes and Noble). I think that worrying about the freedom of thought is just about the last thing this country is trying to discourage.
 
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tomahawk2406

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redivider said:
if you want to argue against something, argue against the tens of thousands of innocent iraqis that have been killed since that war started.

or against all the innocent yemenis that have been killed by errant US drone strikes.

don't argue when it goes right. argue when it goes horribly wrong.
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bing to tha O
 
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Carthoris

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redivider said:
if you want to argue against something, argue against the tens of thousands of innocent iraqis that have been killed since that war started.

or against all the innocent yemenis that have been killed by errant US drone strikes.

don't argue when it goes right. argue when it goes horribly wrong.
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You cannot support something that is wrong when it is to your liking and then be against it when it is against your liking. That is hypocrisy. It is wrong to murder people we are not at war with using remote control bombs and it is wrong to kill American citizens with them. BOTH acts are wrong, and I am against both.
 
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The Ruiner

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redivider said:
if you want to argue against something, argue against the tens of thousands of innocent iraqis that have been killed since that war started.

or against all the innocent yemenis that have been killed by errant US drone strikes.

don't argue when it goes right. argue when it goes horribly wrong.
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It's funny, I was just reading about this; it was an article in Foreign Policy Mag about over/understated nearly every "humanitarian crises" is quantified. Amazing differences, like say how they sometimes report the Haiti earthquake with something like 316K deaths, but it's been overstated by about 500%. Not an exception, a rule the article illustrates, because the more "casualties" the more "aid." They are even worried about "donor fatigue" at this point.

And I would say that things are going pretty damn well at this point. Why not recognize it?
 
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tomahawk2406

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Carthoris said:
You cannot support something that is wrong when it is to your liking and then be against it when it is against your liking. That is hypocrisy. It is wrong to murder people we are not at war with using remote control bombs and it is wrong to kill American citizens with them. BOTH acts are wrong, and I am against both.
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yeah but he aided in terrorist activity against the united states.
 
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Carthoris

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The Ruiner said:
Well, your mentality is one of the reasons that I opposed prop 19: I held regard for the terms of cultivation with the law as it stands. You can be as headstrong as you like, but your indifference is not always going to reciprocated by others.

Saddamn? You are equating this guy with Saddamn, and still finding sympathies? But you are at least citing a worthy simile both attacked other Arabs and were killed.

And you worry about the "freedom" of America 10 years from now? Dude, unless you are a terrorist, I wouldn't worry! It's really that simple. Also, if you are worried about "believing something out of the mainstream" start reading things OUT of the mainstream. Try something "nerdy" like "World Affairs Journal" to get an idea of "mainstream" is thinking (they seem to be one of the least-biased thinky-mags at Barnes and Noble). I think that worrying about the freedom of thought is just about the last thing this country is trying to discourage.
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Growing marijuana, possessing marijuana, and using marijuana are all illegal in this country. Regardless of which state you are in, with the exception of approved studies by the Federal Government. No matter what you vote to pass or not pass marijuana is illegal in this country.

Saddam was just another shit wad I don't care about, just like Awlickymyballza. My point was we are just killing people all over for little to no reason. We don't give a shit about lives that aren't our own. We hold ourselves above all others. If we left people alone none of this would be necessary.

Ruiner, you don't worry about where the country will be in 10 years? I am sitting here, planning to have a kid, and it terrifies me what the child is going to grow up in. In 1930, do you think the Germans knew what their lives would be like a decade or two later? Every country in the world has had multiple rebellions. To believe that we are a special country that cannot be fooled or destroyed from within is laughable. I look upon the future with a eye for not just my own, but my children. I know that every country we coexist with now, and every country that has ever existed and no longer does has failed over and over. Either the governments become weak and fail to other forces, or they become strong until they have so much power they must be put down. How can you NOT worry? Look at how fast our countrymen supported Bush after 9/11 and turned their backs on him within a few years. Look at how fast Obama shot into the sky, and then faded in peoples hearts. I fear that we are going to hit bad times again and they will vote for someone like Hitler or Stalin because they are reactionary fools.

Im not worried about media or them brainwashing me into mainstream acceptance , I am worried about the government deciding those who don't accept the mainstream being considered 'terrorists'. Just like people who drank didn't have to change to become criminals during prohibition, you and I might not have to change to become terrorists. They set a precedent to execute people without trial but only for really bad people, then thy expand 'really bad people' to include whoever they want.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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Carthoris said:
Growing marijuana, possessing marijuana, and using marijuana are all illegal in this country. Regardless of which state you are in, with the exception of approved studies by the Federal Government. No matter what you vote to pass or not pass marijuana is illegal in this country.

Saddam was just another shit wad I don't care about, just like Awlickymyballza. My point was we are just killing people all over for little to no reason. We don't give a shit about lives that aren't our own. We hold ourselves above all others. If we left people alone none of this would be necessary.

Ruiner, you don't worry about where the country will be in 10 years? I am sitting here, planning to have a kid, and it terrifies me what the child is going to grow up in. In 1930, do you think the Germans knew what their lives would be like a decade or two later? Every country in the world has had multiple rebellions. To believe that we are a special country that cannot be fooled or destroyed from within is laughable. I look upon the future with a eye for not just my own, but my children. I know that every country we coexist with now, and every country that has ever existed and no longer does has failed over and over. Either the governments become weak and fail to other forces, or they become strong until they have so much power they must be put down. How can you NOT worry? Look at how fast our countrymen supported Bush after 9/11 and turned their backs on him within a few years. Look at how fast Obama shot into the sky, and then faded in peoples hearts. I fear that we are going to hit bad times again and they will vote for someone like Hitler or Stalin because they are reactionary fools.

Im not worried about media or them brainwashing me into mainstream acceptabce , I am worried about the government deciding those who don't accept the mainstream being considered 'terrorists'. Just like people who drank didn't have to change to become criminals during prohibition, you and I might not have to change to become terrorists. They set a precedent to execute people without trail but only for really bad people, then thy expand 'really bad people' to include whoever they want.
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19 wouldn't have changed that one damn bit...that's just more slippery slope rhetoric.

So, you are throwing your arguments under the bus as a way out? Come on, this was your standard, your moral compass. And, if we didn't care why, fucking why would we be pouring billions of aid dollars all over the damn globe?

I think in 10 years, things will be pretty much the same, probably better. America is only 20 years into it's primacy, I think that is plenty of room for us to improve within the current paradigm.
 
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dukeanthony

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Carthoris said:
Without proof, a trial, and public scrutiny how do you know that?
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Well If you look hard enough you can see his Writings, Videos and his call to arms against the USA
And since he really does "Pal" around with terrorists He gets no sympathy from me

Buh Bye Fucktard
 
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tomahawk2406

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Carthoris said:
Without proof, a trial, and public scrutiny how do you know that?
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i don't have a constitution on my bed side and i don't read it like a bible. if you drinking tea with al-qaeda and telling america to watch its back because jihad against the u.s. is the only solution shit will hit the fan. i have no sympathy
 
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Carthoris

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The Ruiner said:
19 wouldn't have changed that one damn bit...that's just more slippery slope rhetoric.

So, you are throwing your arguments under the bus as a way out? Come on, this was your standard, your moral compass. And, if we didn't care why, fucking why would we be pouring billions of aid dollars all over the damn globe?

I think in 10 years, things will be pretty much the same, probably better. America is only 20 years into it's primacy, I think that is plenty of room for us to improve within the current paradigm.
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I never said 19 would of changed anything. I'm not 100% on the bill, as I don't live in Cali. My point was that even if you voted to make marijuana completely legal it would make no difference as the federal government has outlawed it and wrongly taken the power of the states to decide the issue away from them.

No, I am not throwing my argument under the bus as a way out. My moral compass always points the same way. I sincerely believe that executing this guy was wrong as well as illegal. We don't assassinate traitors, we try them and then punish them once we prove they are guilty. There is no precedence for what we did - when was the last time we assassinated a traitor? Just like half the people we hold in prison indefinitely in Cuba, we had no evidence this guy did anything but talk shit to America. Knowing that there was no real way he would be convicted, they just had him murdered.

We give 'aid' to make ourselves feel good. Of course, most of that 'aid' is in the form of military equipment and bribes. If you mean individual people, then mostly to make the individual feel good about themselves.

I hope things are better in 10 years. They probably will be, we have this 10 year up and down thing going, we only have about another year or so of this down spell. Of course, better for one person often means worse for another.
 
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Carthoris

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dukeanthony said:
Well If you look hard enough you can see his Writings, Videos and his call to arms against the USA
And since he really does "Pal" around with terrorists He gets no sympathy from me

Buh Bye Fucktard
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Yea, no doubt, he is right up there with Obama and Bush. Bowing to and hugging terrorists. Bribing them, ect. Because of who he hangs out with, he deserves to die. lol. Obama has as many terrorist ties as this guy has when you put it that way. Seriously, don't be stupid. Did you actually read the article about the guy that UB posted? I can't stress enough how good of an article it is.

I have yet to see you make one insightful post on Rollitup. I guess some of us are just born to be trolls.
 
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Carthoris

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tomahawk2406 said:
i don't have a constitution on my bed side and i don't read it like a bible. if you drinking tea with al-qaeda and telling america to watch its back because jihad against the u.s. is the only solution shit will hit the fan. i have no sympathy
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The Constitution is more important than the bible. You have no sympathy because it isn't you being fucked by the US of A. You don't care about the law of the land(the Constitution). It is no surprise you don't care if it is violated. Oh, btw, that makes you a traitor and if they put you on the kill list it is ok because you are providing support to the enemies of the country.
 
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tomahawk2406

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Carthoris said:
The Constitution is more important than the bible. You have no sympathy because it isn't you being fucked by the US of A. You don't care about the law of the land(the Constitution). It is no surprise you don't care if it is violated. Oh, btw, that makes you a traitor and if they put you on the kill list it is ok because you are providing support to the enemies of the country.
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what the hell are you talking about? what makes me a traitor? that i don't full heartedly agree or live my live within a strict line of the constitution? ummmm.........no? guy was like a mobster covering his tracks. you really think he was just some dude who said "hey, i don't like america" so they killed him? give me a break man. wake up.
 
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