g/Watt by Lamp?

Hi,

my plans have changed. I have decided to invest about 1000$ into new lights.

Researching.. I have come across the problem that most websites dont do proper comparisons, they either miss certain interesting models or they dont give any relevant information.

The most interesting thing for me is.. what does each lamp yield? Is there anyone anywhere who has compared yield of different lamps?

I am considering buying 1 320 Quantum Board DIY kit and 1 Optic 4.. but then again I see many people saying that the best growlights are Amare SE500. Of these I could only afford one to cover half the space.

What is the difference in yield between these lamps?
Are there other equivalent technologies that cost less and do better?

Thank you in advance.

Maybe someone could tell me what they harvest per m² with Optic 4s, quantum boards etc. ? Maybe someone did a comparison grow? Unfortunately on youtube and google I am unable to find good information.

You’re not going to find comparisons like that. Yield is going to depend on way more than just the light. What you want to look at is spectrum and efficiency. Check out growmaus and migro on YouTube. A lot of good information there.

I'll try to remember to post what I get from a 315 CMH come Valentines

I have spent days looking at spectrum and efficiency but it just.. doesnt tell me a lot.
It tells me how energy efficient a lamp is but not how much bud it grows.

And an experiment like that would not be too difficult I think. Just take Cuttings from one plant and create equal conditions. I have seen some comparison grows on youtube.. just not with the lamps I am considering.

Unfortunately with all the written comparison.. you never know who paid for it and what the review is motivated by. I see many people saying Platinum P450 is one of the best lamps.. then I check out reviews on Amazon and it has 2-3 stars and people say it is absolute rubbish for the price. I would like to base my decision on real grower experiences.. but then.. when I check on growdiaries for example, they never say what Lamp they have(???)

this shit is confusing...

@Hugo, thank you in advance. Would be great.

I wouldn't be overly concerned with spectrum. Between various white and mixed spectrums there's probably a 3-5% difference in efficacy. There is a direct correlation between quantity of radiation (par watts and/or PPF) and yield. Efficiency * output watts = par watts. The goal should be to get the most PPF and/or par watts for the money (in a package with quality parts of course).

How much light do you want? This is generally going to be between 15-25 par watts per foot, or 750-1250 PPFD. This can also be expressed as PPF per square foot (70-120 PPF sq/ft).

Do you want light intensity on the low end or high end? Personally I like my lights momma bear (middle) and would recommend 20 PAR watts per sq/ft, or around 95-100 PPF per square foot.

Once you have decided what you want, figure out what product/s will provide it. If a product/company doesn't provide the information you need to make that determination, skip it. Additional considerations would include cost, efficiency, and quality of parts. They are important (especially quality), but make sure you get the light levels you want/expect before making a purchase.

Example: P450, I checked the website. There is no information available that shows or will allow me to determine the PPF/Par watts. I will skip that lamp without thinking twice.

Example: Timber 4VS, right there on the product page it states: PAR Wattage: 200 PAR Watts, PPF: 932 μmol/s. I will keep that lamp on my short list if it fits my space. 200 par watts will be great for a 3x3 and provide 22 par watts per foot (also 103 PPF per sq/ft). I can dim it down a tad if I wanted.

Example: HLG 320W XL QB V2 LED Kit: 320w output and 2.7 umol/j = 864 umol/s (PPF). In a 2x4 tent this will provide 108 PPF per square foot. I can dim it down a tad if I wanted.

If those three (two) were the only choices I might consider the cost difference for each unit, the cost per PPF for each unit, the quality of parts (both use quality diodes and quality drivers), but also important do I want to grow in a 3x3 tent or a 2x4 tent?

Freedom Club said:

I have spent days looking at spectrum and efficiency but it just.. doesnt tell me a lot.
It tells me how energy efficient a lamp is but not how much bud it grows.

And an experiment like that would not be too difficult I think. Just take Cuttings from one plant and create equal conditions. I have seen some comparison grows on youtube.. just not with the lamps I am considering.

Unfortunately with all the written comparison.. you never know who paid for it and what the review is motivated by. I see many people saying Platinum P450 is one of the best lamps.. then I check out reviews on Amazon and it has 2-3 stars and people say it is absolute rubbish for the price. I would like to base my decision on real grower experiences.. but then.. when I check on growdiaries for example, they never say what Lamp they have(???)

this shit is confusing...

@Hugo, thank you in advance. Would be great.

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General rule of thumb is Hps and blurple light =0,5-1g/w
Efficient white led (quantum, sammy strips, cob, etc) should yield between 1-2g/w.. but as mentionned in the previous post there is so many other factors to consider, temps, rh, feeding, strains/pheno,c02, etc....

Freedom Club said:

I have spent days looking at spectrum and efficiency but it just.. doesnt tell me a lot.
It tells me how energy efficient a lamp is but not how much bud it grows.

And an experiment like that would not be too difficult I think. Just take Cuttings from one plant and create equal conditions. I have seen some comparison grows on youtube.. just not with the lamps I am considering.

Unfortunately with all the written comparison.. you never know who paid for it and what the review is motivated by. I see many people saying Platinum P450 is one of the best lamps.. then I check out reviews on Amazon and it has 2-3 stars and people say it is absolute rubbish for the price. I would like to base my decision on real grower experiences.. but then.. when I check on growdiaries for example, they never say what Lamp they have(???)

this shit is confusing...

@Hugo, thank you in advance. Would be great.

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Hey bud. I can Answer any questions u might have about Amare.

hybridway2 said:

Hey bud. I can Answer any questions u might have about Amare.

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I ordered a SE 300. Good choice? (625$)

and why am I unable to find any reviews or grow reports with the Amare SE 300?
You have any material of this kind maybe?

Thank you

Why would you not build a DIY cob or strip light. It will out perform ANY AND I MEAN ANY prefab light or kit. For less money. And I dont wanna here how growmau5 lights are badass. Bc my light for half the price will out yield any growmau5 kit he offers. PERIOD. Amare all your doing is paying for the name. There isnt 625 bucks worth of components in it. Not even close. Theres so much info on the forum a monkey could figure out DIY builds. Hell theres even a site that shows you step by step wiring and building.

whytewidow said:

Why would you not build a DIY cob or strip light. It will out perform ANY AND I MEAN ANY prefab light or kit. For less money. And I dont wanna here how growmau5 lights are badass. Bc my light for half the price will out yield any growmau5 kit he offers. PERIOD. Amare all your doing is paying for the name. There isnt 625 bucks worth of components in it. Not even close. Theres so much info on the forum a monkey could figure out DIY builds. Hell theres even a site that shows you step by step wiring and building.

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First of all, you know nothing about real professionally made premade fixtures or the VERY LAST thing you would do is downplay an Amare product. Man, you must be almost as crazy as all the DIY'rs & companies that hated on them in the beginning just to attempt to adapt their designs & spectrum later, after they saw all the grow results & happy customers. The proof is in the pudding yo.
It's been discussed & agreed on many times that one cant even make a comparable DIY fixture for less.
Lol! Can you name one comp. That can sell a light for the same cost as the components? What would be the point?
Look around, all you see is grow light companies trying to replicate Amare designs & spectrum. Any company that was once a white only wharehouse light, knocked the enhanced spectrum the first few yrs then could not deny the results & scientific facts any longer. Now they're all searching for the right spectrum. All the whilest Amare had those comparisons & in house studies done yrs before they opened & became the first premium enhanced, cannabis specific (when it wasnt cool to say u were) grow light company anywhere.
Yes, the very first to bring top-bin cree.
Nevermind all the other unique options they brought to the table.
Also, they are the least expensive, highest warranty. Riu 25% discount.
Shit, I'd like to see anything that can compete with the new SB-8.

Freedom Club said:

I ordered a SE 300. Good choice? (625$)

and why am I unable to find any reviews or grow reports with the Amare SE 300?
You have any material of this kind maybe?

Thank you

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Yes, very good choice for flowering a 3'x3'. You'll see. Your plants will do the talking.
Theres more proven grows online using Amare then any other well known light I can think of. Dating back to "14".

Here's just a few quick examples that popped up of Amare grows start to finish.
That's w/o including the 1/2 dozen I have here on RIU myself. As "Hybridway" Each one having multiple grows start to finish.
I mention start to finish because it's common to see starts but not ends. Unfortunately, although RIU is a mighty good source for DIY & technological info. It is also a Haven for fan boys & wannabee just about anythings'. At the time of the "White Light Revolution Movement" (Originated by Amare Tech) the only lights recommended by most led advisors here were PLC & maybe a few other sponsors like Johnson. With NO regards to the truth or facts & nobody actually owning or using the lights they were so strongly pushing onto LED newcomers. I mean to recommend something with such authority w/o ever even laying hands on it before.... It was a shitshow to say the least. With contradictions to their arguments wkly.
Some of the so called smartest dumb asses here would try n try again to put down Amare. Everything they were dissing Amare for is what most smart companies are striving for today. Made no sense at all.
And watch how many 3-35k basic white light companies are now converting to a much higher K temp w/ added 660 n 730. Well, after seeing so many successful Amare grows in their sleep at night they finally woke up n said, money is not the most important thing in life. And are now putting in a lil effort to make true canna-specific Fixtures.
With all the DIY'rs making simple white lights that outperform the Mkts @ less then half the cost, I doubt they really had a choice but to start trying. One can only supplement their income with DIY parts & videos how to replicate your overpriced warehouse lights for so long before it's time to get serious.
Now they're all in the guessing game or copy cat stage.
Hopefully all this awakening will lead to more news developments in real horticultural lighting. competition, reduced pricing & some good companies that will be around to honor their warranties if need be.
So yeah, If you dont know now you know Growerrrrr!!!!


https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/wile-e-peyote-mis-adventures-with-amare-led-ss-150x2-se250-autopots-and-bubble-buckets.51370/

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/amare-solar-eclipse-250-test-runs.55326/

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/silly-pharm.1349323/page-120?hl=amare

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/do-nothing-garden.1360609/page-23#entry21487022

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/peps-solar-eclipse-450-lights-up-some-gorilla-glue.54122

https://www.rollitup.org/t/big-smo-amare-tech-se-450-and-mephisto-genetics.918402/page-16#post-13058961

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/weed-dudes-amare-hi-led-adventure-revolution-to-revelation.1378350/page-12#post-22712824

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/amare-pro-9-se450uvb.1405096/page-11#post-22711570

https://forum.grasscity.com/organic-grow-journals/1334958-jays-solar-eclipse-journeys-organic-adventures.html/page-187#entry22342887

https://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/1392808-sillys-organic-soil-sips-solar-specs.html/page-8?hl=amare#entry22335597

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/wile-e-peyotes-continuous-multi-strain-drip-and-coco-spectacular.41775/page-95

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/loops-led-living-loud-lounge.48274/page-28

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/a-builders-edge-in-grow-room-construction-dream-room.51676/page-15#post-1076835

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/skywalker-og-amare-tech-se450-led-1000w.1410560/page-2#post-22711451

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/huntaks-organic-flower-tent.1363407/?hl=huntak

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/pharmers-sustained-organic-living-adventure-w-hileds.1348187/?hl=amare+technologies#entry21078819

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/my-journeys-on-the-led-hi-way-feat-amare-tech.48719/page-6

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/jdos-sea-of-weeden.1364413/page-15?hl=jdo's#entry21739048

HLG quantum boards.

hybridway2 said:

First of all, you know nothing about real professionally made premade fixtures or the VERY LAST thing you would do is downplay an Amare product. Man, you must be almost as crazy as all the DIY'rs & companies that hated on them in the beginning just to attempt to adapt their designs & spectrum later, after they saw all the grow results & happy customers. The proof is in the pudding yo.
It's been discussed & agreed on many times that one cant even make a comparable DIY fixture for less.
Lol! Can you name one comp. That can sell a light for the same cost as the components? What would be the point?
Look around, all you see is grow light companies trying to replicate Amare designs & spectrum. Any company that was once a white only wharehouse light, knocked the enhanced spectrum the first few yrs then could not deny the results & scientific facts any longer. Now they're all searching for the right spectrum. All the whilest Amare had those comparisons & in house studies done yrs before they opened & became the first premium enhanced, cannabis specific (when it wasnt cool to say u were) grow light company anywhere.
Yes, the very first to bring top-bin cree.
Nevermind all the other unique options they brought to the table.
Also, they are the least expensive, highest warranty. Riu 25% discount.
Shit, I'd like to see anything that can compete with the new SB-8.

Yes, very good choice for flowering a 3'x3'. You'll see. Your plants will do the talking.
Theres more proven grows online using Amare then any other well known light I can think of. Dating back to "14".

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Lmfao whatever you say dude. Make sure you cup their balls too. If you like paying for a name. Then be my guest. For 800 bucks for one of their light I bet you every harvest for the rest of your life I can build a DIY fixture thatll blow it outta the water. So either put up or shut up... I didnt say the light wont grow. Idk why you posted all these grows. Other than to waste your time. But if you wanna throw up enough money to buy a light from them and I'll build one. Run the same strain. I bet i pull atleast a zip more.

hybridway2 said:

Here's just a few quick examples that popped up of Amare grows start to finish.
That's w/o including the 1/2 dozen I have here on RIU myself. As "Hybridway" Each one having multiple grows start to finish.
I mention start to finish because it's common to see starts but not ends. Unfortunately, although RIU is a mighty good source for DIY & technological info. It is also a Haven for fan boys & wannabee just about anythings'. At the time of the "White Light Revolution Movement" (Originated by Amare Tech) the only lights recommended by most led advisors here were PLC & maybe a few other sponsors like Johnson. With NO regards to the truth or facts & nobody actually owning or using the lights they were so strongly pushing onto LED newcomers. I mean to recommend something with such authority w/o ever even laying hands on it before.... It was a shitshow to say the least. With contradictions to their arguments wkly.
Some of the so called smartest dumb asses here would try n try again to put down Amare. Everything they were dissing Amare for is what most smart companies are striving for today. Made no sense at all.
And watch how many 3-35k basic white light companies are now converting to a much higher K temp w/ added 660 n 730. Well, after seeing so many successful Amare grows in their sleep at night they finally woke up n said, money is not the most important thing in life. And are now putting in a lil effort to make true canna-specific Fixtures.
With all the DIY'rs making simple white lights that outperform the Mkts @ less then half the cost, I doubt they really had a choice but to start trying. One can only supplement their income with DIY parts & videos how to replicate your overpriced warehouse lights for so long before it's time to get serious.
Now they're all in the guessing game or copy cat stage.
Hopefully all this awakening will lead to more news developments in real horticultural lighting. competition, reduced pricing & some good companies that will be around to honor their warranties if need be.
So yeah, If you dont know now you know Growerrrrr!!!!


https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/wile-e-peyote-mis-adventures-with-amare-led-ss-150x2-se250-autopots-and-bubble-buckets.51370/

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/amare-solar-eclipse-250-test-runs.55326/

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/silly-pharm.1349323/page-120?hl=amare

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/do-nothing-garden.1360609/page-23#entry21487022

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/peps-solar-eclipse-450-lights-up-some-gorilla-glue.54122

https://www.rollitup.org/t/big-smo-amare-tech-se-450-and-mephisto-genetics.918402/page-16#post-13058961

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/weed-dudes-amare-hi-led-adventure-revolution-to-revelation.1378350/page-12#post-22712824

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/amare-pro-9-se450uvb.1405096/page-11#post-22711570

https://forum.grasscity.com/organic-grow-journals/1334958-jays-solar-eclipse-journeys-organic-adventures.html/page-187#entry22342887

https://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/1392808-sillys-organic-soil-sips-solar-specs.html/page-8?hl=amare#entry22335597

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/wile-e-peyotes-continuous-multi-strain-drip-and-coco-spectacular.41775/page-95

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/loops-led-living-loud-lounge.48274/page-28

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/a-builders-edge-in-grow-room-construction-dream-room.51676/page-15#post-1076835

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/skywalker-og-amare-tech-se450-led-1000w.1410560/page-2#post-22711451

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/huntaks-organic-flower-tent.1363407/?hl=huntak

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/pharmers-sustained-organic-living-adventure-w-hileds.1348187/?hl=amare+technologies#entry21078819

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/my-journeys-on-the-led-hi-way-feat-amare-tech.48719/page-6

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/jdos-sea-of-weeden.1364413/page-15?hl=jdo's#entry21739048

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And btw I had leds white with 660 reds before amare was ever on the market. So dont give me that shit. Their lights are expensive as fuck. Not once did I say it wont grow. An incandescent light will grow a plant. But you pay this big money for a light. And I'lltake the same amount of money and build a BETTER light. Plain n simple.

hybridway2 said:

Here's just a few quick examples that popped up of Amare grows start to finish.
That's w/o including the 1/2 dozen I have here on RIU myself. As "Hybridway" Each one having multiple grows start to finish.
I mention start to finish because it's common to see starts but not ends. Unfortunately, although RIU is a mighty good source for DIY & technological info. It is also a Haven for fan boys & wannabee just about anythings'. At the time of the "White Light Revolution Movement" (Originated by Amare Tech) the only lights recommended by most led advisors here were PLC & maybe a few other sponsors like Johnson. With NO regards to the truth or facts & nobody actually owning or using the lights they were so strongly pushing onto LED newcomers. I mean to recommend something with such authority w/o ever even laying hands on it before.... It was a shitshow to say the least. With contradictions to their arguments wkly.
Some of the so called smartest dumb asses here would try n try again to put down Amare. Everything they were dissing Amare for is what most smart companies are striving for today. Made no sense at all.
And watch how many 3-35k basic white light companies are now converting to a much higher K temp w/ added 660 n 730. Well, after seeing so many successful Amare grows in their sleep at night they finally woke up n said, money is not the most important thing in life. And are now putting in a lil effort to make true canna-specific Fixtures.
With all the DIY'rs making simple white lights that outperform the Mkts @ less then half the cost, I doubt they really had a choice but to start trying. One can only supplement their income with DIY parts & videos how to replicate your overpriced warehouse lights for so long before it's time to get serious.
Now they're all in the guessing game or copy cat stage.
Hopefully all this awakening will lead to more news developments in real horticultural lighting. competition, reduced pricing & some good companies that will be around to honor their warranties if need be.
So yeah, If you dont know now you know Growerrrrr!!!!


https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/wile-e-peyote-mis-adventures-with-amare-led-ss-150x2-se250-autopots-and-bubble-buckets.51370/

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/amare-solar-eclipse-250-test-runs.55326/

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/silly-pharm.1349323/page-120?hl=amare

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/do-nothing-garden.1360609/page-23#entry21487022

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/peps-solar-eclipse-450-lights-up-some-gorilla-glue.54122

https://www.rollitup.org/t/big-smo-amare-tech-se-450-and-mephisto-genetics.918402/page-16#post-13058961

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/weed-dudes-amare-hi-led-adventure-revolution-to-revelation.1378350/page-12#post-22712824

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/amare-pro-9-se450uvb.1405096/page-11#post-22711570

https://forum.grasscity.com/organic-grow-journals/1334958-jays-solar-eclipse-journeys-organic-adventures.html/page-187#entry22342887

https://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/1392808-sillys-organic-soil-sips-solar-specs.html/page-8?hl=amare#entry22335597

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/wile-e-peyotes-continuous-multi-strain-drip-and-coco-spectacular.41775/page-95

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/loops-led-living-loud-lounge.48274/page-28

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/a-builders-edge-in-grow-room-construction-dream-room.51676/page-15#post-1076835

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/skywalker-og-amare-tech-se450-led-1000w.1410560/page-2#post-22711451

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/huntaks-organic-flower-tent.1363407/?hl=huntak

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/pharmers-sustained-organic-living-adventure-w-hileds.1348187/?hl=amare+technologies#entry21078819

https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/my-journeys-on-the-led-hi-way-feat-amare-tech.48719/page-6

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/jdos-sea-of-weeden.1364413/page-15?hl=jdo's#entry21739048

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Hahahahahha 1700 dollars for a light. You're outta your fukn mind. For 1700 bucks I can build 3 fixtures thatll out flower that. Lmfao. Omfg I almost pissed myself laughing so hard. You go right ahead and buy your 1700 dollar light. While i spend 600 and control it from my couch. Lmfao
That out yields that's aluminum money pit. Hahahahaha gtfoh.

My votes with DIY quantum boards. Cheaper than buying a unit. They make the same one the HLG 550 V2 over on Alibaba or their 800Plus or standard 800 boards. I requested a third board and they stated it would be a bit more, but that would make it a 590W board that was at 2.8 umoles/J. If they cant bring that number down Ill just be manufacturing my own at that same wattage.






If thats too much or you dont need that efficiency then getting the light below might be a good option. I'm considering them even though they are only 2.3umoles/J for the price alone.

Amare started the "white light revolution"?........ That's news to me, I thought petflora and hyroot were like the first test growers on amare prototypes using epileds/epistar lol, crees coming soon after; never saw them myself.

You realize supra was using cxa cobs, positivity using cree xml , sds with oslon w/r , GG using apache nichia w/r, chroni with cree xpe white, mr flux with first gen citi, EH ' s A51 all white and R/w combos used by endo, dawg, endive, beef, puff, CM, bad karma. Jubiare cree white/red sup, guod mostly white with blue blux, red osram (believed in chloro peaks and rolled to heliospectra), bicit cxa cobs, testicles cxa cobs, first gen vero ever seen was in this forum picograf all white cob (2013), mechmike vero 18, someguy vero 18.......this is all before amare became a company. They certainly didn't start anything that wasn't seen in here.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/bridgelux-vero-29-led-test.702193/

This was a special place in 2011 and beyond....

PSUAGRO. said:

Amare started the "white light revolution"?........ That's news to me, I thought petflora and hyroot were like the first test growers on amare prototypes using epileds/epistar lol, crees coming soon after; never saw them myself.

You realize supra was using cxa cobs, positivity using cree xml , sds with oslon w/r , GG using apache nichia w/r, chroni with cree xpe white, mr flux with first gen citi, EH ' s A51 all white and R/w combos used by endo, dawg, endive, beef, puff, CM, bad karma. Jubiare cree white/red sup, guod mostly white with blue blux, red osram (believed in chloro peaks and rolled to heliospectra), bicit cxa cobs, testicles cxa cobs, first gen vero ever seen was in this forum picograf all white cob (2013), mechmike vero 18, someguy vero 18.......this is all before amare became a company. They certainly didn't start anything that wasn't seen in here.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/bridgelux-vero-29-led-test.702193/

This was a special place in 2011 and beyond....

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It's a shadow of it's former self and a lot of people here just make shit up now lol.

PSUAGRO. said:

Amare started the "white light revolution"?........ That's news to me, I thought petflora and hyroot were like the first test growers on amare prototypes using epileds/epistar lol, crees coming soon after; never saw them myself.

You realize supra was using cxa cobs, positivity using cree xml , sds with oslon w/r , GG using apache nichia w/r, chroni with cree xpe white, mr flux with first gen citi, EH ' s A51 all white and R/w combos used by endo, dawg, endive, beef, puff, CM, bad karma. Jubiare cree white/red sup, guod mostly white with blue blux, red osram (believed in chloro peaks and rolled to heliospectra), bicit cxa cobs, testicles cxa cobs, first gen vero ever seen was in this forum picograf all white cob (2013), mechmike vero 18, someguy vero 18.......this is all before amare became a company. They certainly didn't start anything that wasn't seen in here.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/bridgelux-vero-29-led-test.702193/

This was a special place in 2011 and beyond....

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"This was a special place in 2011 and beyond" Right? I only rolled up in 2015... People still on here talking about blurple beating HPS all day...smh I guess you have to justify a bad purchase to yourself.

captainmorgan said:

It's a shadow of it's former self and a lot of people here just make shit up now lol.

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my memory is bad................you did use A51, right? pretty sure that amare didn't start a white LED revolution

MeGaKiLlErMaN said:

"This was a special place in 2011 and beyond" Right? I only rolled up in 2015... People still on here talking about blurple beating HPS all day...smh I guess you have to justify a bad purchase to yourself.

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I ran an Osram blurple zelion fixture around that time......growers weren't happy, my best results ever(2gpw)with no trickery either