Get a Harvest Every 2 Weeks

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TheGardenMan

TheGardenMan

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so basicly its set up like this.......you have a 4x4 area so that means i can put 1 plant ever square foot. so ill be stuffing 16 in there. ill have a veg room and a flowering room. ill start off with 16 starts/clones and put them in veg than after 4 weeks ill put them in flower, than while those are flowering ill start more in veg? is this correct? :joint::peace::peace:
 
Al B. Fuct

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TheGardenMan said:
ill start off with 16 starts/clones and put them in veg than after 4 weeks ill put them in flower, than while those are flowering ill start more in veg? is this correct? :joint::peace::peace:
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Nope. Completely wrong. Please review this thread from the beginning.

Clones which will be flowered are never vegged. This is a SoG op- means zero veg time.

The only plants I veg are the mums. The clones live in the clonebox for ~7-10 days under 24/0 fluoros while setting root, but once they have a good spray of roots, they are put in to flower.

If clones are vegged for any significant period before flowering, they will get too tall by the end of wk8. Buds low down on the plant will be sparse and weedy.

The whole point of this exercise is deliberately growing a 'sea' of short plants, essentially just the top cola of a naturally growing plant. This best suits artificial lighting and yields only dense top cola buds. Flowering freshly rooted clones immediately, with zero veg time, is how this is accomplished.
 
GoodFriend

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Lumberjack
Al B. Fuct said:
'nigga'?

Is that supposed to be cool or is it just racist?
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i miss your posting... glad you're still checking in...

a friend and i are going to start an op soon... i'm taking care of the veg part... moms, and taking clones and getting them ready... he's gonna have the flower part going on...

anyways...
would you think a 1000mh, and 2 400hps would be decent enough to cover 4x8 area?

it'll probably be a hempy style sog grow if we can get some drippers or something for watering sorted out...

edit:maybe this should have been a pm?
anyways... hope your grows going well...
 
PlasmaRadio

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I think we can all agree that "nigga" is not cool and it is racist, but it is mildly cooler and slightly less racist than the alternative, which is "Porch Monkey."
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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lumberjack_ian said:
i miss your posting... glad you're still checking in...
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thanks mon, just don't have as much time for posting as I once did.
would you think a 1000mh, and 2 400hps would be decent enough to cover 4x8 area?

it'll probably be a hempy style sog grow if we can get some drippers or something for watering sorted out...
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You won't have much use for a 1000MH in a zero-veg time SoG. MH is too blue for flowering and 1kW is a hell of a lot of light to throw at vegging mums, unless you need to grow masses of mother plants to make enough cuttings to feed into a warehouse-sized grow every other week.

Per our well-known 50W/sq ft rule-o-thumb for HPS lighting for flowering, each 400 will cover 8 sq ft. The light pattern of efficient double parabola reflectors (which I know you'll want to use ;) ) is a long rectangle, so you might opt to run the 400s each over a ~ 2' x 4' tray or over a pair of 2' x 2' trays.

edit:maybe this should have been a pm?
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Probably not. Regrettably, I just don't have time to design ops or walk through grows with everyone who would like me to. I'm not very good about keeping up after this thread much less a flurry of PMs. I disabled PMs back last May, I think.
 
GoodFriend

GoodFriend

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Al B. Fuct said:
thank mon, just don't have as much time for posting as I once did.


You won't have much use for a 1000MH in a zero-veg time SoG. MH is too blue for flowering and 1kW is a hell of a lot of light to throw at vegging mums, unless you need to grow masses of mother plants to make enough cuttings to feed into a warehouse-sized grow every other week.

Per our well-known 50W/sq ft rule-o-thumb for HPS lighting for flowering, each 400 will cover 8 sq ft. The light pattern of efficient double parabola reflectors (which I know you'll want to use ;) ) is a long rectangle, so you might opt to run the 400s each over a ~ 2' x 4' tray.



Probably not. Regrettably, I just don't have time to design ops or walk through grows with everyone who would like me to. I'm not very good about keeping up after this thread much less a flurry of PMs. I disabled PMs back last May, I think.
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i think you misunderstood... it would be a combination of the 1000w mh with the 2 400w hps all covering a 4x8 area... the mh is one of the enhanced mh (with added red spectrum) to help with flowering... would the added red spectrum from the hps' not be enough to suppliment all this for really decent bud?

we're looking to run a quick sog before setting up a continual harvest ever 2-3 weeks... scrog...

thanks for you're help buddy
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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lumberjack_ian said:
i think you misunderstood... it would be a combination of the 1000w mh with the 2 400w hps all covering a 4x8 area... the mh is one of the enhanced mh (with added red spectrum) to help with flowering... would the added red spectrum from the hps' not be enough to suppliment all this for really decent bud?
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I did figure you wanted to use the 1000MH to flower, but I didn't figure on the red enhancement. An ordinary MH doesn't do so well for flowering.

I haven't tried a red-enhanced MH for flowering. You might get a spectrum curve for the MH lamp you're intending to use and compare it to a typical HPS so you might be able to make some predictions.

If you do hang all three lights over your flowering area, don't count on light from the 400s getting to all of the coverage area of the 1000MH. The 400s wont cover near the area of the 1000.

Using multiple HID lights of differing output can make things a little complex, but good luck.
 
GoodFriend

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Al B. Fuct said:
I did figure you wanted to use the 1000MH to flower, but I didn't figure on the red enhancement. An ordinary MH doesn't do so well for flowering.

I haven't tried a red-enhanced MH for flowering. You might get a spectrum curve for the MH lamp you're intending to use and compare it to a typical HPS so you might be able to make some predictions.

If you do hang all three lights over your flowering area, don't count on light from the 400s getting to all of the coverage area of the 1000MH. The 400s wont cover near the area of the 1000.

Using multiple HID lights of differing output can make things a little complex, but good luck.
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... sometime we'll get the 1000hps...
but we need money...


hence getting the commercial grow underway =]

theres lots of testing i want to do... like vert scrogs too...

thanks for all your help
stay safe friend
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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If you already have a 1000MH ballast, I wonder if there's a 1000HPS retrofit lamp that will work with it. If not, have a go flowering some with your red-enhanced MH. Might work gangbusters. :)

Mixing lighting of different sizes in your flowering area can lead to unequal plant heights, a bit of a problem in a SoG, where we're trying to grow the plants in something approximating a plane.

Just for starters, I'd use one of your 400s to veg mums, put the other 400 away as a spare and have a go flowering with your modified spectrum 1000MH over a pair of ~3' x 3' trays.

I set my system up on 4 trays so that I could more easily apply the P & K supplement only to plants in flowering wk3. A tank of sauce lasts 2 weeks before I dump & clean, so it just works out that I can use the PK in the 2nd wk of saucelife for tank 2, which supplies plants during their flowering wk2-4. Tank 2 doesn't get any PK on mixing up every 2 weeks, rather a week later. If I only had 2 trays, plants not in wk 3 would be dosed with PK unless I relocated them and otherwise watered them while the wk3 plants were being dosed.

ScrOG is very interesting, but is a bit more fiddly than SoG. I'm full on keeping after things as they are while maintaining a life outside the op. ScrOG also puts limits on plant mobility within the op. Not as easy to move plants for spraying, evening growth by preferential lighting positioning, etc. Done well, it's art- but hard to justify in a 'production' oriented op.
 
GoodFriend

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
thanks for the response...

yeah we already have a 400w hps and 175w mh for the moms and clones... the other lights are being picked up today i think (i forget what exactly my partner said....)

i can understand what you mean about the plant height... i'll bring that up with him... we're hoping we can fumble our way through this... haha

and we were thinking of doing them with 4x2 tables... i'm thinking if we have the 1000w over two of them, and the two 400w each covering 2x2 of the last table... huh... that actually works out...

we were originally thinking of doing 4x8 area... but a 4x6 seems to be better...

thanks for helping me think this though... haha
good growing friend...

oh... and just on the side... what flavors you got growin right now?
 
Al B. Fuct

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I've been running Sweet Tooth #4 from Spice of Life seeds for about 5-6 years now. Hard to find the beans for it these days.

Your 400s will each cover a 2' x 4' tray. If you run four 2' x 4' trays, the 1000 can cover two of them with the 400s covering two. I'd probably run wks 0-4 under the 400s with the remainder under the 1000.
 
daddychrisg

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I "had" sweet tooth for awhile...unfortunately I lost the strain from lack of taking clones...I thought I had a few, but when I searched around my clones I realized that somehow I must have missed clipping that girl. It cured so well......
 
TheGardenMan

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Al B. Fuct said:

This style of op is known as 'Sea of Green' or SoG.

You can build this op in any scale you like, from a single mother and just one plant put in to the flowering area every two weeks up to as big as your needs require.

The idea is to grow only the top cola of a naturally growing plant with none of the lower branches and the small buds those branches produce. All branching, pretty much everything on the lower 1/3 of the plant, is snipped off in about wk 2 & 3.



Plant at 6 wks flowering, note lower branching is removed

The method of putting clones in to flower with no vegging time keeps plants relatively short, to about 36-40" (1 metre), which better suits artificial lighting.

Even powerful HPS lighting can only penetrate foliage so deeply, so a metre tall is just about right. I find that big lights give better bud density, so I use two 1000W HPS, one over each pair of 4' x 4' flood trays.

The mums are maintained under 24 hour 400W HPS. The clonebox has 6x 18W fluoro tubes (24"), usually on 24/7 but shut off for the first 6-8 hours after doing a new batch of cuttings.

Clones go straight from the clonebox into the flowering trays- no vegging required. They grow a little bit vegetatively for the first 3-4 weeks but then stop getting taller and start making bud weight after then.

I keep about 6-8 mothers and do about 30 cuttings every 2 weeks from them. I choose the best 20-23 clones to be put in the 4-tray flowering area.

Leftover clones become replacement mothers or are discarded. Mothers are replaced one by one, about every 4-8 weeks as needed.

As each batch of clones goes in to tray #1, a batch comes out of tray #4 to be harvested, every 2 weeks.

The mother vegging area is in the same room with the flowering plants, but has a lightproof curtain to prevent interrupting the flowering plants' lightcycle and has its own ventilation system as well. Each tray in both the veg & flower areas has its own pump, reservoir tank and timer, allowing the watering rate and nute mix to be tailored to the plant for vegging as well as during each 2 week phase of flowering.

See my gallery for pics of the op in action as well as pix of clones in rockwool cubes and clonebox details.
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what size trays are you using, and how big are the buckets you use after taking them out of the clone trays?:joint::peace::peace::peace:
 
TheGardenMan

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So your harvesting 16 plants every two weeks? I was looking at the starting post and it says you use 4' trays so i was wondering if you were putting 16 plants in each tray and you had all 4 trays in the flowering room?because if you had all 4 of them in your flowering room at once that would mean you would need atleast 8'x8' for the trays :joint::peace::peace::peace:
 
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