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RamenToppings

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If you have experience using the full general hydroponics line, would you change anything

Base Nutrients: Flora Series
Roots: Hydro Guard

Sups Vegative;
-Rapid Start
-CalMag
-Flora Blend
-Floralicious

Sups Flower:
-Koolbloom
-CalMag
-Flora Blend
-Diamond Nectar

I wanted to cut floralicious from flower cause of nitrogen then supplement diamond nectar for humic acids in it’s place.

Does Flora blend introduce too much nitrogen for the flowering state?

EDIT: Intentionally excluded Armor-Si and Flora Nectar.
 
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tylerzigzag9029

Active Member
I use botonicare cal mag instead along with flora series kool bloom diomond nector armor si and rapid start in coco coir i am currently looking for a cheaper option to rapid start but dont no if there is any. The doses of botonicare cal mag plus are about the same (ml per gal) but it seems to be a cleaner color than gh cal mag
 
C-CAT

C-CAT

Well-Known Member
RamenToppings said:
If you have experience using the full general hydroponics line, would you change anything

Base Nutrients: Flora Series
Roots: Hydro Guard

Sups Vegative;
-Rapid Start
-CalMag
-Flora Blend
-Floralicious

Sups Flower:
-Koolbloom
-CalMag
-Flora Blend
-Diamond Nectar

I wanted to cut floralicious from flower cause of nitrogen then supplement diamond nectar for humic acids in it’s place.

Does Flora blend introduce too much nitrogen for the flowering state?

EDIT: Intentionally excluded Armor-Si and Flora Nectar.
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Floralicious Plus? Use Floralicious Bloom in place.
 
TrippleDip

TrippleDip

Well-Known Member
RamenToppings said:
I wanted to cut floralicious from flower cause of nitrogen
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Floralicious is a hormone supplement not a nutrient, and the humic acid content is almost too low to be the focus (0.5% after dilution to 1-2 mL/gal, which is what I do, is 1-2ppm and most studies say you want to be up at 50-100ppm.


RamenToppings said:
Does Flora blend introduce too much nitrogen for the flowering state?
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Imo, no, the nitrogen doesn't miraculously disappear from the soil in nature, and I run about 100ppm N throughout bloom.
 
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RamenToppings

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TrippleDip said:
Floralicious is a hormone supplement not a nutrient, and the humic acid content is almost too low to be the focus (0.5% after dilution to 1-2 mL/gal, which is what I do, is 1-2ppm and most studies say you want to be up at 50-100ppm.



Imo, no, the nitrogen doesn't miraculously disappear from the soil in nature, and I run about 100ppm N throughout bloom.
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Thanks for this man. What is your full run of sups in flower and veg, do you use Diamond Nectar?
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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hydroguard is a joke.

southern ag garden friendly fungicide. million times stronger

and BioAg CytoPlus: powdered kelp/humic/micros. don't pay for water.
 
TrippleDip

TrippleDip

Well-Known Member
RamenToppings said:
Thanks for this man. What is your full run of sups in flower and veg, do you use Diamond Nectar?
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I started with just the gh 3 part plus calimagic, then added koolbloom and floralicious. Floralicious only in veg.

I started with the gh "drain to waste" calc on their website, which has proper numbers for cannabis specifically as well as suggestions for additives like diamond nectar, then decided I didn't like my plants yellowing so early now I feed 2-4-6 bloom micro grow during veg 5-5-5 in late veg/early flower and 7.5-5-4 in bloom. Feed from day 1 down to the last week.

Fwiw I don't bother with silicates, Si is one of the most common elements, my soil has an analysis of several ppm (the site isn't loading now but I can post it later), the city says that Si is between 1 and 2 ppm in my tap water, and for example every mL of protekt you add to a gallon of water only increases the ppm by 9. I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect, I have never tried it, just skeptical.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
RamenToppings said:
If you have experience using the full general hydroponics line, would you change anything

Base Nutrients: Flora Series
Roots: Hydro Guard

Sups Vegative;
-Rapid Start
-CalMag
-Flora Blend
-Floralicious

Sups Flower:
-Koolbloom
-CalMag
-Flora Blend
-Diamond Nectar

I wanted to cut floralicious from flower cause of nitrogen then supplement diamond nectar for humic acids in it’s place.

Does Flora blend introduce too much nitrogen for the flowering state?

EDIT: Intentionally excluded Armor-Si and Flora Nectar.
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In soilless:
GH Flora 3-part
CaliMagic
A silica product
Great White or comparable inoculant

The rest aren’t particularly useful.

What is your medium?
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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cannabineer said:
A silica product
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@cannabineer
so i'm still on the fence after a few years of using Si and not using it. there is no obvious visual difference at least from my experiences.
do your best to sell me on why i should be using it please. i know what it is supposed to do: cell division, makes plants more hardy/tolerant to stressors.

i've seen you and @curious2garden recommend it along with base nutes and cal/mg (K.I.S.S nute regimens) which i'm on board with.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
rkymtnman said:
@cannabineer
so i'm still on the fence after a few years of using Si and not using it. there is no obvious visual difference at least from my experiences.
do your best to sell me on why i should be using it please. i know what it is supposed to do: cell division, makes plants more hardy/tolerant to stressors.

i've seen you and @curious2garden recommend it along with base nutes and cal/mg (K.I.S.S nute regimens) which i'm on board with.
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It does seem to help some in veg and early flower to make stronger plant/stem structure in true soilless.
That said, I have never run the controlled experiment.

So my thinking on this is “may be helping and isn’t hurting”.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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cannabineer said:
It does seem to help some in veg and early flower to make stronger plant/stem structure in true soilless.
That said, I have never run the controlled experiment.

So my thinking on this is “may be helping and isn’t hurting”.
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when i do use it, it's definitely at the 12/12 transition. and then again during heavy bloom.

i can't remember what member posted this but tissue samples do show that Si was present when used. for what that's worth
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Staff member
rkymtnman said:
@cannabineer
so i'm still on the fence after a few years of using Si and not using it. there is no obvious visual difference at least from my experiences.
do your best to sell me on why i should be using it please. i know what it is supposed to do: cell division, makes plants more hardy/tolerant to stressors.

i've seen you and @curious2garden recommend it along with base nutes and cal/mg (K.I.S.S nute regimens) which i'm on board with.
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I've been using it less and less. Honestly I'm with you in not noting much difference.
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Staff member
rkymtnman said:
when i do use it, it's definitely at the 12/12 transition. and then again during heavy bloom.

i can't remember what member posted this but tissue samples do show that Si was present when used. for what that's worth
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I ran mine after seedling and through veg. I dropped it for flower.
 
TrippleDip

TrippleDip

Well-Known Member
TrippleDip said:
my soil has an analysis of several ppm (the site isn't loading now but I can post it later)
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According to the university of florida, common peat or coco based soil mixes are already around 25ppm silicon, yard trimmings are about 100ppm. (Document is "silicon the estranged medium element"). Note that the document goes on to talk about pure peat and pure coco being very deficient in Si, and that about half of the ornamental plants they supplemented grew larger. Other additives commonly seen in soil are sand (silicon dioxide) and clay (alumino-silicates). Clay is one of my favourite additives because it's free and has lots of micronutrients. Volcanic rock dust and rice hulls are also good free silicon sources, but I truly believe that the few ppm that is in my tap water already is enough.
 
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