Going commercial

Rahz

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I've finished a prototype I like (not the lamp from the "My latest creation" thread). Hopefully I will have the business and website details worked out in the next week or two. Not too many details in this thread, I'm mostly wanting to get some opinions on pricing and features. This forum has been a great source of knowledge and inspiration so any feedback is appreciated

Pricing: I'm shooting for $100 per square foot. I'll be doing a small production run this week and will have a better idea of price when I get a time estimate per lamp. May be as high as 113 per foot, probably not less than 100. There will likely be discounts on multiple fixtures, though the focus is on offering a single lamp as cheaply as possible. I realize my lamps won't be the cheapest in the game but making the enclosures myself drives up the production time... and besides they will be bad ass.

Models: Initially there will be only one model but there are plans for 3. The initial model is designed for a 2x2 space, multiples can outfit 2x4 and 4x4 spaces.

Features:
120-240 volts, multiple outlets
High efficiency (exact figure under wraps for the moment)
PPFD well over 800 in the intended space
Emitters over every foot of space
Underdriven LED/fan drivers
Underdriven LEDs
Redundant cooling feature - if a fan fails the unit will continue to operate at or below typical temps
Veg mode at half current

Once I have all three models available almost any tent size can be accommodated, either for veg/flower or strictly veg, including semi-micro grows with lower ceilings. Accommodated, meaning in accordance with my desired PPFD (850-900 flower and 425-450 veg).

I hope all that sounds good so far. There are caveats. The enclosures will be made from aluminum. Not all the edges are tucked, but the nice thing about aluminum sheet being a soft metal is that cut edges aren't sharp. I will be giving the edges a quick sand to smooth things out a bit, but it will be very much a "commercial DIY" venture. I also have no plans to finish the aluminum. Care will be taken to build and deliver the enclosure without scratches but they won't have a perfect appearance. A paint job does nothing for the functionality or cooling properties and I like the industrial look. I'm hoping it won't be a deal breaker. In addition, there will be no default optics as I believe they are redundant in a tent which is where most people will be using them. Both reflectors and lenses will be available at cost when purchased with a lamp.

Having said all that, it's the performance that counts and it's a lamp I will use in my own space. High PPFD, beefy electronics and softly driven COBs, excellent light spread and for the time being one of the most efficient lamps on the market.
 

Growmau5

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-I think its smart to build a platform based on a 2x2. Like you mentioned this is expandable to 4x4 & 4x8 which are the most popular sizes for tents and small grows in general.

-The paint job could be a [ + $x.xx] drop down box on the site for people who care. But painting these things is a major time suck, as you know. I believe people will appreciate the savings, its just going to get scratched or dusty anyways.

-The only constructive criticism I have is the decision not to include an option for optics. Lately, there seems to be a theme around here of trying integrate some kind of optic to our cobs to focus more light to the canopy. standard 120 degree cob LES throws light everywhere.

-cheers to you for your efforts, excited to see what you come up with.
 

Rahz

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-The paint job could be a [ + $x.xx] drop down box on the site for people who care. But painting these things is a major time suck, as you know. I believe people will appreciate the savings, its just going to get scratched or dusty anyways.

-The only constructive criticism I have is the decision not to include an option for optics. Lately, there seems to be a theme around here of trying integrate some kind of optic to our cobs to focus more light to the canopy. standard 120 degree cob LES throws light everywhere.
I'm thinking that when faced with paying extra for the paint job most people will pass, but that is an idea worth considering. I have a friend with a powder coating oven... it's something I want to get around to playing with at some point maybe work it into the base price if business is reasonably good. The prospect of painting a bulk of enclosures seems more appealing than doing 4-8 at a time which is how it will start.

Optics will come installed if they are ordered, but I'd like to keep costs down on the base unit and a good way of doing that is not including optics in the base price. The lamp will actually get pretty close to the canopy, so I don't think side light will be a huge concern even outside a tent setting. In a reflective tent I think the gains would be very minimal unless someone just wants to hang the lights high.

Thank you for the feedback. :)
 

Tjblack

Well-Known Member
I've finished a prototype I like (not the lamp from the "My latest creation" thread). Hopefully I will have the business and website details worked out in the next week or two. Not too many details in this thread, I'm mostly wanting to get some opinions on pricing and features. This forum has been a great source of knowledge and inspiration so any feedback is appreciated

Pricing: I'm shooting for $100 per square foot. I'll be doing a small production run this week and will have a better idea of price when I get a time estimate per lamp. May be as high as 113 per foot, probably not less than 100. There will likely be discounts on multiple fixtures, though the focus is on offering a single lamp as cheaply as possible. I realize my lamps won't be the cheapest in the game but making the enclosures myself drives up the production time... and besides they will be bad ass.

Models: Initially there will be only one model but there are plans for 3. The initial model is designed for a 2x2 space, multiples can outfit 2x4 and 4x4 spaces.

Features:
120-240 volts, multiple outlets
High efficiency (exact figure under wraps for the moment)
PPFD well over 800 in the intended space
Emitters over every foot of space
Underdriven LED/fan drivers
Underdriven LEDs
Redundant cooling feature - if a fan fails the unit will continue to operate at or below typical temps
Veg mode at half current

Once I have all three models available almost any tent size can be accommodated, either for veg/flower or strictly veg, including semi-micro grows with lower ceilings. Accommodated, meaning in accordance with my desired PPFD (850-900 flower and 425-450 veg).

I hope all that sounds good so far. There are caveats. The enclosures will be made from aluminum. Not all the edges are tucked, but the nice thing about aluminum sheet being a soft metal is that cut edges aren't sharp. I will be giving the edges a quick sand to smooth things out a bit, but it will be very much a "commercial DIY" venture. I also have no plans to finish the aluminum. Care will be taken to build and deliver the enclosure without scratches but they won't have a perfect appearance. A paint job does nothing for the functionality or cooling properties and I like the industrial look. I'm hoping it won't be a deal breaker. In addition, there will be no default optics as I believe they are redundant in a tent which is where most people will be using them. Both reflectors and lenses will be available at cost when purchased with a lamp.

Having said all that, it's the performance that counts and it's a lamp I will use in my own space. High PPFD, beefy electronics and softly driven COBs, excellent light spread and for the time being one of the most efficient lamps on the market.[/QUOT
If you take PayPal and you come in at 100 a square foot I'll take 4x4 worth
 

Rahz

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Ok sweet! I'm not sure about single lamps but a 4 pack will definitely be 100 per foot. I'm just digging into web hosting, pretty sure pay pal is included in just about any option I choose, but low on details at the moment.
 

BobCajun

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I suggest various colors of anodizing instead of painting, if you want it colored. More professional looking and longer lasting. Also, making the slats adjustable, sliding to various lengths like a mic stand, so you can adjust them from say 2 feet to 4 or 5. It would have to be adjustable in both dimensions to maintain a square shape. Maybe snap-in light modules so you can add or remove them to vary the number depending on the size of the area and vary the colors at different growth stages. The Adaptalamp would be a big success.
 

PurpleBuz

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I'm thinking that when faced with paying extra for the paint job most people will pass, but that is an idea worth considering. I have a friend with a powder coating oven... it's something I want to get around to playing with at some point maybe work it into the base price if business is reasonably good. The prospect of painting a bulk of enclosures seems more appealing than doing 4-8 at a time which is how it will start.

Optics will come installed if they are ordered, but I'd like to keep costs down on the base unit and a good way of doing that is not including optics in the base price. The lamp will actually get pretty close to the canopy, so I don't think side light will be a huge concern even outside a tent setting. In a reflective tent I think the gains would be very minimal unless someone just wants to hang the lights high.

Thank you for the feedback. :)
If for no other reason I think some kind of optics are necessary to protect the cob and avoid unnecessary warranty returns, and liability issues for people stupid enough to shock themselves while cleaning the unit. Now the optics could be as simple as a plate of optic glass or even plexiglass. But if the cob is covered it sends a message "remove at your own risk, warranty void".
 

Rahz

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Wish you could make a 2x3' panel. Not everyone's space divides by two.
Agreed and I have that request covered with one of the other two lamps I have planned ;) It will probably be a couple months down the road though. I have 3 models that will provide target PPFD in almost any size tent. 18"x30" I'm not sure about yet, and square meter tents will either be very high PPFD or slightly low PPFD but I should have everything else covered.
 

Rahz

Well-Known Member
If for no other reason I think some kind of optics are necessary to protect the cob and avoid unnecessary warranty returns, and liability issues for people stupid enough to shock themselves while cleaning the unit. Now the optics could be as simple as a plate of optic glass or even plexiglass. But if the cob is covered it sends a message "remove at your own risk, warranty void".
Mixed feelings. I think you're right and there could be accidents. I've been handling COBs for a couple years and never fucked one up, but shit happens. There's also the foliar feeding issue. Contact points will be covered so no worries about electrical shock unless someone digs their finger into the LES while it's on.... I know I know, it could happen.

So I'm thinking hard about this now. Wouldn't be too difficult to work up holders for a square piece of glass. A big piece of anti reflective glass cut into squares would be cost effective and work as a shield for those who don't want optics. I'll see what I can do about that.
 
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Rahz

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I suggest various colors of anodizing instead of painting, if you want it colored. More professional looking and longer lasting. Also, making the slats adjustable, sliding to various lengths like a mic stand, so you can adjust them from say 2 feet to 4 or 5. It would have to be adjustable in both dimensions to maintain a square shape. Maybe snap-in light modules so you can add or remove them to vary the number depending on the size of the area and vary the colors at different growth stages. The Adaptalamp would be a big success.
Anodizing would be the nicest looking (and most useful) finish but anodizing a less than perfect surface would be tacky. I'm already doing things I hadn't originally planned on doing but hand brushing yards and yards of aluminum is frowned upon. There are some power tools that could speed things up, but dealing with that and tubs of battery acid.... Trying to avoid it. Powder coating is doable but I'd like to start with a bare product and let it's "raw industrial look" be the aesthetic theme.

It actually does look nice IMO :) but if I get the idea it's a deal breaker for the venture I would resort to powder coating small runs. If this project is successful anodized cases could be possible down the road.

Snap in modules is an interesting concept, you got me thinking about it. I'm not sure I have the engineering skills to easily work that out with consolidated drivers in the mix, but from a maintenance standpoint it could be a sweet system for commercial agriculture. I may steal your idea at some point in the future if you don't use it :P
 
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