Grahm per watt

Backwoodguy

Member
I'm doing 9 plants (chem valley Kush and Larry OG ) under 1000 watt in a 4x4 tray I'm already day 22 in veg and I'm trying to get grahm per watt . I have both lst and topped in that order and do plan on removing anything that doesn't touch the light (pruning/lollipop) in both veg and early flower . I do plan on using co2 from day one of flower to end . I'm running general organics nutes . My question now is how long should I veg to achieve grahm per watt
 

MrEDuck

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Keep training them so you have an even canopy covering the table and then flip it to 12/12. That should give you a nice even canopy with tons of medium sized buds.
g/W is a poor measure of grow efficiency for anything other than a zero veg SOG because the energy that went into veg doesn't count. Also if you aren't running perpetual you will fall way behind becasue you can do more SOG cycles in a year than you can veg+flower cycles if you don't have a separate veg and flower area.
 

Gomziel

Member
if u are very expirineced farmer, u can get up to 1000w:1000g, maybe more in hydro setup. but that's realy a whishful thinking. with your set up, if u will do it right, i guess 1000w:500g (gram btw). if u do it right! (temp, rh, vent, train ...). there are a lot of ways to grow, some of them are fast, and some of them are slawer, some simple and some complex, some susceptible for malfunctions and some not, some demand skill and some are for dummis. each way has its own limits and w:g efficiency.
if u got 500g in one cycle at your first run, u are cool
gl
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
kush strains aren't known for putting out the large numbers... so putting that into the equation, which imvho, is about the biggest factor in yield, the correct, big number strain, i'd not be expecting to pull a gram per watt, not with those strains..
 

skunkd0c

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i would not worry about 1 gram per watt, try and get 500g per sq meter like seed sellers suggest for the higher yielding strains
this is not such an easy task and requires careful planning and maximum efficiency of "space"
sea of green being the most efficient way of filling the space with colas rather than leaves
some canopy management helps too

getting 1 gram per what is simple when growing lots of plants especially skunk strains
quality may suffer a little, back when lights were much more expensive 1990s it was common for folk to only use 2000w in a 10x10
70 or 80 small plants in this space will easy yield well over 2kg beating the 1 gram per watt target

peace
 

danky supreme

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On ur next grow go vertical, its one of the easiest ways to increase yield dramatically without going hydro or having 50+ plants
 

danky supreme

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On ur next grow go vertical, its one of the easiest ways to increase yield dramatically without going hydro or having 50+ plants.
 

danky supreme

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Or better yet you could do a vertical SOG hydro style. This may be slightly ambitious however. And on a personal note i dont really like hydro due to quality concerns
 

MrEDuck

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kush strains aren't known for putting out the large numbers... so putting that into the equation, which imvho, is about the biggest factor in yield, the correct, big number strain, i'd not be expecting to pull a gram per watt, not with those strains..
i would not worry about 1 gram per watt, try and get 500g per sq meter like seed sellers suggest for the higher yielding strains
this is not such an easy task and requires careful planning and maximum efficiency of "space"
sea of green being the most efficient way of filling the space with colas rather than leaves
some canopy management helps too

getting 1 gram per what is simple when growing lots of plants especially skunk strains
quality may suffer a little, back when lights were much more expensive 1990s it was common for folk to only use 2000w in a 10x10
70 or 80 small plants in this space will easy yield well over 2kg beating the 1 gram per watt target

peace
I agree, some strains yield really well and some are crappy. Strain and even plant within an individual strain (my Blue Dream cut yields way better than any other sativa dominant Blueberry/Haze cross I've ever seen) is a big variable when it comes to yield. Flower time is also worth considering. If you want to measure grow efficiency you should measure it in g/kWh of electricity used to grow the plant through it's full life cycle. If people aren't scared of some math we can actually come up with a pretty good model of grow efficiency. Space for example needs to be factored in. Heath Robinson may hit 1200g with a high yielding commercial strain with a single 600W in his flooded tube setup but it takes up a 6'x9' space. Horizontally I could setup 6 3x3 trays under 600s in there. Even if I get 300g/tray with a low yielding strain my setup gets 50% more bud. Bud is generally more valuable than electricity.
I need to head to bed but I'll happily throw some things together tomorrow to show how to figure out efficiency based on a few different variables. Subbing to this thread.
 

Backwoodguy

Member
I agree, some strains yield really well and some are crappy. Strain and even plant within an individual strain (my Blue Dream cut yields way better than any other sativa dominant Blueberry/Haze cross I've ever seen) is a big variable when it comes to yield. Flower time is also worth considering. If you want to measure grow efficiency you should measure it in g/kWh of electricity used to grow the plant through it's full life cycle. If people aren't scared of some math we can actually come up with a pretty good model of grow efficiency. Space for example needs to be factored in. Heath Robinson may hit 1200g with a high yielding commercial strain with a single 600W in his flooded tube setup but it takes up a 6'x9' space. Horizontally I could setup 6 3x3 trays under 600s in there. Even if I get 300g/tray with a low yielding strain my setup gets 50% more bud. Bud is generally more valuable than electricity.
I need to head to bed but I'll happily throw some things together tomorrow to show how to figure out efficiency based on a few different variables. Subbing to this thread.
Ok cool can't wait to hear
 

ghb

Well-Known Member
getting a gram per watt on a multi strain is tough, you will be restricted by the size of those cubes too.

id' say flip the asap unless you plan on having more than 1x 1000w, also getting a gram per watt on 1k bulbs is a tough ask.
 

danky supreme

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Its too good for ya...or what?
By too good do you mean too hard? If so thats not the case but setting up a vertical SOG with hydro would be massively expensive and your plant count would be huge. Dont plan on getting out of the slammer anytime soon if you get caught running a system like that.
 

danky supreme

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Or do you mean hydro is too good for me. Also not the case its generally accepted that soil grown bud is better than hydro.
 

diet coke

Active Member
I think gram per watt is misleading. Maybe it should be gram per kilowatt used.

Even and full canopy of healthy plants is the key to max out production.
 

skunkd0c

Well-Known Member
MrEduck makes the point well, you need to consider space vs time vs power used in Kwh to work out true efficiency

gpw only tells 1/3 of the story

growing lots of small plants is imo the most efficient way to produce bud , many folk would be surprised i think how much light you can get away with using on small controlled plants
weather its sog plants that are only 16 inch tall or a well kept LST

however when calculating space efficiency to actually be correct, we need to measure space in m3 rather than m2 and all breeder quote in m2
as they assume folk will grow on 1 level only, this only really accounts for floor space and not height

making maximum use of the vertical space is the one flaw in the SOG theory imo, although this can be solved by stacking grows ontop of each other
i was happy to see this is exactly the way Philips were doing it with their led testing , although this multi-level sog growing is not so easy for folk to set up at home lol

peace
 

MrEDuck

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This is something of a mess writing wise, I'm stoned and don't have anyone handy to edit it. Theres a nightmare run on sentence with a billion parentheticals because I returned to revise my thoughts. I'll try to edit it later but her it is for now because there's been a bunch of posts in here since yesterday.
Skunkdoc the thing about vertical setups is they almost always take up a much larger footprint than the theoretical canopy. I have a friend who is running a v-scrog in a room that's 5x7x7 where the screens are ~2' from the bulb and I think are 42" high. Or maybe the circle is a 42" diameter. The point is he managed to get about 38sqft of illuminated canopy with a single 1k bulb in a room that's only 35 sqft. It's jammed so tight he had to build a lazy susan to get access to the plants. For a single light grow trying to produce for yourself without spending a fortune on electricity and more space than light this is really high up there in terms of grams of bud produced of a given strain per kW of energy used. He also does a long veg with ~100W of fluoro to build a good root system shape the plant for how he wants it to go into a perpetual setup but 16 weeks of 100W of fluoro is the same as 4 weeks with a 400W HID and plants in veg are a lot smaller than plants in flower so keeping them around to veg a good long while and be monsters works for him. I think his state also doesn't consider vegging plants or has a higher limit for them so having a bunch around for a long time is no issue. His grow is very efficient to him which is what matters in the end.

The variables with efficiency are how much electricity you use (remember lights aren't the only things), money spent (water, nutes, rent of a grow facility, paying your full time security guards who rape intruders with hot cooltubes, whatever your operating costs are), time (should a sativa that takes 16 weeks to flower and yields half as much per crop be considered 1/4 as efficient as an 8 week hybrid that twice as much per crop?), space, plant count (if it's not an issue it's really hard to beat some kind of SOG because all you need to do for veg is root the clones, you have fans in flower that use more energy than those lights), strain, nutrient use and that's just off the top of my head. You have to weigh each of them to decide how you want to tune your grow. In the example above if initial startup and running costs weren't an issue (ie a large grow expanding) then make sure you have the cooling and run 80+W/sqft with CO2. SOG or ScrOG to fill the canopy depending on plant count. If you can pack the canopy with even buds with room for airflow you will get the most bud from that flowering cycle.
My g/W from my last cycle was only about 0.6g/W, but I'm in a 2x2x4 space and beat a half pound, that's ~600g/m^2 for our metric friends. Most important to me I have enough bud I could work on making seeds and hunting for new moms with this run.
 
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