Green leaves sprouting from my buds

Mullumbimby

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Hi Team, first-time grower here, with 700W of COBs. Four plants in a 4x4 tent, open potting mix with perlite and hand-watering. long veg and scrog.
My Big Bud x White Widow are in week 6 of flowering. Up to a couple of weeks ago, everything looked sweet, I'd had few battles with spider-mites but nothing too damaging. There are some noticeable differences between my 4 plants, which I'm putting down to genetic differences in growth habit.
Recently, I've seen some green leaves sprouting from the buds. Not a big problem at first but now it looks like the buds are being ruined by all this growth. Just when I was hoping that they would thicken-up and put on some w eight, they've done the opposite.
What can I do to fix it?
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Mullumbimby

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Looks like they are revegging to me almost...

Are you your timers are on 12:12 cycle? :?
Thanks, I read about that problem elsewhere too. They are on 12/12 but I'm going to double check and reduce to 10 hours of light/day.
Can there be any other reasons for this?
We came through a pretty stressful time recently, with above-average temperatures and quite high humidity.
 

ChaosHunter

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I know your scroging but still that's a lot of COB wattage for a 4x4, too much light for the canopy maybe ? Could be a light leak, genetics or timer is off/going out.
 

Jimmy Sparkle

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Very high temps will cause "foxtailing" but that does look like she is or has tried to re-veg for some reason. Most likely a light leak [significant] or your timer is taking a dump.
 

Mullumbimby

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I know your scroging but still that's a lot of COB wattage for a 4x4, too much light for the canopy maybe ? Could be a light leak, genetics or timer is off/going out.
<50W/square foot. No sign of any burning or bleaching. Everything was perfect until a week or 2 ago. They were loving it.
 

Mullumbimby

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Very high temps will cause "foxtailing" but that does look like she is or has tried to re-veg for some reason. Most likely a light leak [significant] or your timer is taking a dump.
I've seen them come on and go off, 12 hours apart, and they are in a tent, which is light-proof. Like you say, it seems to me that a light-leak would have to be pretty significant to ruin all the buds like this.
It's cooled down quite a lot here in the last couple of days, if that was the problem and I knock them back to 10 hours of light, can they recover?
 

greencropper

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those buds are regrowing/reveg cos they are getting extra light from somewhere...it doesnt have to be a bright light to make them regrow, dont bother trying to rescue them because they have to go through a complete cycle of growth before they would come back to new buds again, imo the regrown buds are not as good as originals anyway, hard lesson there bro, scrap them & start again...be 1000% sure of no light leaks or faulty timers next grow...sorry about the negative summation
 
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majins

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100% re-veg.
Re-veg many plants myself after harvests or 1/4 way though flowering to sex them and that looks exactly like it.

It doesnt take much light to cause issues. The LED status light on my timer was enough for one of mine to do it.
Your left with 2 options really.

Harvest and turn them in to hash or oil.
Let them re-veg until leafs are back to 3 or more fingers then rebud them.

After a re-veg the go super bushy and you dont even need to train really. Iv never noticed any loss of quality or strength.
But I have noticed high chance of hermi.
 

chemphlegm

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I have multiple led lights in my room, ac, dehumidifier, light controller, c02 timer, high heat shut down, etc. Been that way since the beginning. I notice at my ceiling height the curtain between my two rooms also lets a little light in the top. NO issues like foxtailing or revegging in many years. I suspect a timer snafu, plants cannot be fixed, reducing flowering light is not advised. make hash do better next time
 

Nugachino

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That looks like reveg to me.

Strange that you're getting it. Because my confine isn't light tight. But, there's no sign of it from my plants.

Maybe some are more sensitive to it than others.

Have you checked your tent for leaks. Or that your cobs turn completely off?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i have a tent with the bottom flaps open all the time, theres a small light on the fan, and i'm relatively certain the zipper has small pinhole leaks. i don't ever have a problem with revegging from that minimal amount of light. ever been outside during the full moon? if that don't reveg a plant, the light from your ballast aint doin shit.
i'm pretty sure that the heat stress you mentioned at a crucial time had more to do with it than insignificant light leaks, although any light leaks probably contributed to an already existing problem.
 

NaturalFarmer

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This could have nothing to do with light and be a stress response from a large pH swing, pests, or something else. I would definitely think light first however.

Three layers of duct tape strips on all LED indicators to be safe

If you are using a cheapo timer, ensure that none of the plastic push ins are broken. 15 minutes in the middle of the night may be all it takes.
 
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Rasta Roy

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i have a tent with the bottom flaps open all the time, theres a small light on the fan, and i'm relatively certain the zipper has small pinhole leaks. i don't ever have a problem with revegging from that minimal amount of light. ever been outside during the full moon? if that don't reveg a plant, the light from your ballast aint doin shit.
i'm pretty sure that the heat stress you mentioned at a crucial time had more to do with it than insignificant light leaks, although any light leaks probably contributed to an already existing problem.
Solid points but I feel the need to point out that the light that reflects off the moon is very different than sunlight lol.
 

chemphlegm

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i have a tent with the bottom flaps open all the time, theres a small light on the fan, and i'm relatively certain the zipper has small pinhole leaks. i don't ever have a problem with revegging from that minimal amount of light. ever been outside during the full moon? if that don't reveg a plant, the light from your ballast aint doin shit.
i'm pretty sure that the heat stress you mentioned at a crucial time had more to do with it than insignificant light leaks, although any light leaks probably contributed to an already existing problem.


"What we do know is that moonlight, while generally similar to the sunlight it reflects, shifts a bit towards the infrared (see above spectral graph, from CIRA, at Colorado State University) and also has some gaps that may be linked to the presence of traces of sodium in the lunar “atmosphere”7. This makes moonlight not just a less intense version of sunlight—it is somewhat qualitatively different, too. Dr. Guerrini has speculated that the rhythmic, additional irradiation from moonlight is an important adjunct to the growth and metabolism of healthy plants: not only have we seen change in growth and leaf movements, but also in patterns of starch storage (highest in the waning phase) and utilization (highest in the days before the full moon). These effects, along with preliminary documentation of immune deficiency and poor wound healing from moonlight-deprived plants, encourage us to think of moonlight as an important part of a plant’s overall “nutrition”. Interestingly, this “nutrition”8 seems to be more a modulation of bio-electric activity rather than a source of photosynthetic energy.

In conclusion, moonlight is subtle—typically, even at its peak, only about 15% as strong as sunlight. But its rays penetrate the soil, and affect plant life from germination to harvest. Most plants seem to need a rhythmic exposure to moonlight—at least for a week or so around the full moon—for optimal immunity, wound healing, regeneration, and growth. Plant harvesting should ideally heed the lunar cycle, not simply for potency and low water content, but because many plants (especially strong, vigorous growers) recover better when they are harvested during the last week of the lunar cycle."
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Solid points but I feel the need to point out that the light that reflects off the moon is very different than sunlight lol.
the light that reflects off the moon IS sunlight....
i realize its different, the actual point being that it's unexpected changes that will throw things off. a plant that is exposed to a certain amount of light during it's night cycle it's whole life is used to that and will ignore it, but a plant that's been kept in total darkness, that suddenly gets a small amount of light in the middle of its cycle, can be thrown off badly by it. small leaks that have existed the plants whole life wouldn't have been a problem, without the added stress caused by the heat.
 
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Rasta Roy

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the light that reflects off the moon IS sunlight....
i realize its different, the actual point being that it's unexpected changes that will throw things off. a plant that is exposed to a certain amount of light during it's night cycle it's whole life is used to that and will ignore it, but a plant that's been kept in total darkness, that suddenly gets a small amount of light in the middle of its cycle, can be thrown off badly by it. small leaks that have existed the plants whole life wouldn't have been a problem, without the added stress caused by the heat.
You're preaching to the choir friend! Lol
 

Mullumbimby

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Ok, have a look at this, the timer that controls my light is underneath my Kill a Watt:
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Let's have a look underneath:
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Not looking good. Take off the Kill a Watt and.....
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Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckuckfuckfuckfuckshitfuck
Damn!
Self-inflicted wound, I know. But it still hurts.
 
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