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Heisenbeans

Heisenbeans

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Yodaweed said:
You used CMH ? Really nice spectrum for indoor growing, UV + far red + very high par output. Makes some really great quality meds .
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No difference whatsoever in trichs or potency using cmh next to cobs.
I find it difficult to follow an article written by the seller of uv.sounds to much like an infomercial.
What about the uv from the sun?wouldnt my outdoor clones be frostier than inside under hps or led?sorry man I dont buy the uv gives more trichs.otherwise people wouldnt need to run good strains.they could just run whatever and hit them with tons of uv and get frost monsters.
 
dstroy

dstroy

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Chunky Stool said:
Have you tried those little $50 washing machines?
I thought they were for people who make a LOT of hash, but it sounds like they make better hash than using a drill & spoon.
Several tutorials I watched said it's better *not* to use a 220 zipper bag in the machine because the weed has more room to move around and interact inside the vortex.
Not sure if that's true because I'm clueless about this stuff.
What do you think?
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If you don't use the bag it's a bitch to clean all those little pieces of plant out. The chunks of ice bashing into the bag over and over pulverize the material all that it needs IMO.
 
Humanrob

Humanrob

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Chunky Stool said:
Have you tried those little $50 washing machines?
I thought they were for people who make a LOT of hash, but it sounds like they make better hash than using a drill & spoon.
Several tutorials I watched said it's better *not* to use a 220 zipper bag in the machine because the weed has more room to move around and interact inside the vortex.
Not sure if that's true because I'm clueless about this stuff.
What do you think?
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Yes, the first time I made hash was in one of those! It was also the only time I used it... lol. That one time I used the 220 bag. I think I saw the same videos you saw, where they don't use the bag but then say you need to clean the machine out periodically because all the sticky plant matter can gunk up the works. In the end, I think I actually have more control (and less maintenance) in an open bucket with some sort of tool that I'm holding. I tried the machine, then tried a run with a similar quantity of fresh frozen with a bucket, and got more product out of the run without the machine.

My first few experiments in 2016 were after I did an outdoor that went better than planned and I had pounds to play with, I was only processing the buds one time. Now I do a gentle run with a handheld stirring device, strain that, and then I do a second run with the same material with the drill bit on low. I wish I could say I've been scientific about it, but there are too many variables for me to make any concrete statements. I keep the results all separated out and labeled but I don't smoke and my patient says "it's all great!" and that's about all the feedback I get from her. I casually know a couple of grower/stoners locally and they have tried some and said it was great, but I can't comment personally.

I use a lot of bud per run, I could probably run it through a third time, but that's just too much work. Another 6 weeks or so and the weather will be right to do this years run. I've only got about 2.5 lbs. in the freezer, all from the outdoor auto run I did this year.
 
AmericanGrower508

AmericanGrower508

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I heard people talking about Texas butter so I figured I would post some pics of my keeper Banana OG f3 girl I just hung. Bred by Zoolander from Orgnkid original seeds.

She isn't the biggest producer about 2 zips a plant in 3gal pots, but she frost up nice and smells like a sweet freshly peeled banana.




 
NoWaistedSpace

NoWaistedSpace

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dstroy said:
If you don't use the bag it's a bitch to clean all those little pieces of plant out. The chunks of ice bashing into the bag over and over pulverize the material all that it needs IMO.
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I have 1 of the BubbleDudes washers and that would be a total bitch without the bag in opinion. I like mine. Well worth the $ for me. I have been making THC-A with mine.
 
Yodaweed

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Heisenbeans said:
No difference whatsoever in trichs or potency using cmh next to cobs.
I find it difficult to follow an article written by the seller of uv.sounds to much like an infomercial.
What about the uv from the sun?wouldnt my outdoor clones be frostier than inside under hps or led?sorry man I dont buy the uv gives more trichs.otherwise people wouldnt need to run good strains.they could just run whatever and hit them with tons of uv and get frost monsters.
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Don't argue with me, argue with the scientific studies that have proven that UV increases THC production by up to 30%.

Sounds like you have too much pride about your LED purchase and didn't notice the details before you made a big buy.
 
Heisenbeans

Heisenbeans

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Yodaweed said:
Don't argue with me, argue with the scientific studies that have proven that UV increases THC production by up to 30%.

Sounds like you have too much pride about your LED purchase and didn't notice the details before you made a big buy.
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Your right man.stupid me.wish I could have used uv to get more trichs on these.you reckon uv would give me more?
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Heisenbeans

Heisenbeans

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NoWaistedSpace said:
I thought it was like 5% THC increase with adding UV, 20% would become 25% THC.
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Its prob some but the evidence is still inconclusive unless it's an article written by California lightworks.
I think the last 2 weeks of UV is ok but I wanna know why indoor is desired more than outdoor when the sun has more UVb and A, than any artificial light source.
Also why are the lowers and shaded areas of the plant always more sticky and frosted up than the tops?
 
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jayblaze710

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Yodaweed said:
No urban legend, many many documented studies have been done including ones by LED manufactorers , here's just one example

https://californialightworks.com/uvb-light-and-thc-potency/

" Growers have realized an increase of up to 30% THC percentage by using supplemental UVB light but the actual mechanism was not well understood."

I recommend an agromax pure uv t5 bulb.

AgroMax Pure UV T5
The AgroMax Pure UV T5 provides your garden with a concentrated blast of UV-A and UV-B spectrum light. Indoor plants, by virtue of being grown under artificial light, have little to no exposure to UV in traditional setups, however, UV light is a powerful bloom boosting light of which many gardeners have yet to take advantage. Scientific studies show that when plants are subject to UV-B light many of their natural defense mechanisms are triggered. Think of it as your plants producing their own sunblock to resist the UV rays. It is exactly this defense reaction which is targeted by many indoor growers. In many plant species, exposure to UV-B light will significantly boost and cause changes in phenolic compounds, flavonoid pigments, resins, oils, etc.

Gardening with UV Light
UV light is excellent for increasing yield and bettering the overall quality of your plants, but one has to be cautious not to overexpose their plants. Overexposure to UV light will not have beneficial effects on plants, too much UV light can "sunburn" your plants. When treating your garden with UV light it is always best started with a low dose amount, with the lamp placed further away and with a shorter "on" time duration. Proper protective eyewear and long-sleeve clothing are necessary when working with UV lamps. Different species of plants have different innate tolerances for UV-B light, dependent on where that particular species is indigenous.

Or use a lighting system that has a proper spectrum.
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This is NOT a scientific study. Far from it. It’s a biased article from a light maker. It includes statements as facts that don’t include any sources (like growers see 30% more THC with UV). People need to be a bit more discerning when taking what they read at face value.

Additionally, they throw a bunch of scientific jargon out there to imply that UV leads to greater THC production. They suggest that increased production of Malonyl CoA leads to increased production of THC. The thing is, that’s only true if Malonyl CoA is the limiting factor in THC production, and I can promise you it’s not. Malonyl CoA is a common enzyme found in all living organisms that regulates fatty acid metabolism. It’s role in creating THC is limited, and it is most definitely not the limiting factor in how much THC a plant can produce.

I don’t think it’s possible to rule out UV’s role in THC production entirely, but I personally believe it’s role is very small if it exists at all. People have been growing indoors for decades, and everyone can attest, indoors almost always blows outdoors out of the water. LEDs have been around long enough to show that they create high quality product. At the very least, if UV has a role in THC production, it’s minimal.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Heisenbeans said:
Its prob some but the evidence is still inconclusive unless it's an article written by California lightworks.
I think the last 2 weeks of UV is ok but I wanna know why indoor is desired more than outdoor when the sun has more UVb and A, than any artificial light source.
Also why are the lowers and shaded areas of the plant always more sticky and frosted up than the tops?
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https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-could-uv-light-boost-thc-production-in-cannabis-plants-n314
https://www.maximumyield.com/jacked-up-cannabis-uv-light-and-other-trichome-enhancers/2/4071
http://www.solacure.com/exuvandca.html
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1751-1097.1987.tb04757.x

Those are just a few studies if the first one wasnt good enough, i said that was just an example.....you guys are the people arguing the earth is flat....it seems like it dont matter how much evidence one hands you for some reason the earth is still flat to you...

And if you guys understood math....30% of a strain that has 20% THC is a 6% increase in THC , so you'd have 26% maximum with UV-B....had to break it down for ya simple brains.
 
Heisenbeans

Heisenbeans

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jayblaze710 said:
This is NOT a scientific study. Far from it. It’s a biased article from a light maker. It includes statements as facts that don’t include any sources (like growers see 30% more THC with UV). People need to be a bit more discerning when taking what they read at face value.

Additionally, they throw a bunch of scientific jargon out there to imply that UV leads to greater THC production. They suggest that increased production of Malonyl CoA leads to increased production of THC. The thing is, that’s only true if Malonyl CoA is the limiting factor in THC production, and I can promise you it’s not. Malonyl CoA is a common enzyme found in all living organisms that regulates fatty acid metabolism. It’s role in creating THC is limited, and it is most definitely not the limiting factor in how much THC a plant can produce.

I don’t think it’s possible to rule out UV’s role in THC production entirely, but I personally believe it’s role is very small if it exists at all. People have been growing indoors for decades, and everyone can attest, indoors almost always blows outdoors out of the water. LEDs have been around long enough to show that they create high quality product. At the very least, if UV has a role in THC production, it’s minimal.
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This
I think its effects are minimal and over exaggerated.it all starts with genetics.common sence your not gonna take a 15 percenter and hit it uv and get 30 percent frost monsters.thats a pile of horse shit.
Genetics and cooler temps and healthy plants imo play a far larger role.
This ain't some shit I read in the internet this is just from personal experience
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Heisenbeans said:
This
I think its effects are minimal and over exaggerated.it all starts with genetics.common sence your not gonna take a 15 percenter and hit it uv and get 30 percent frost monsters.thats a pile of horse shit.
Genetics and cooler temps and healthy plants imo play a far larger role.
This ain't some shit I read in the internet this is just from personal experience
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You have a slow ass brain don't you, read the scientifically published article from the university of maryland i linked, shows you can get up to 30% increased THC, that means if you had a 15% strain the max increase possible is 4.5% so it could be maximum of 19.5%...did you go to school? do you understand math at all?
 
NoWaistedSpace

NoWaistedSpace

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Heisenbeans said:
Its prob some but the evidence is still inconclusive unless it's an article written by California lightworks.
I think the last 2 weeks of UV is ok but I wanna know why indoor is desired more than outdoor when the sun has more UVb and A, than any artificial light source.
Also why are the lowers and shaded areas of the plant always more sticky and frosted up than the tops?
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The last 2 weeks is all I was gonna use them. 15 mins 3 or 4 times a day. I ended up sticking them in the closet and there they have stayed. My setup I have works for me without UV added, but if you do a side by side, and it is promising, then I will start using them. lol
 
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