Grow tent 600w hps hydro under construction

Man, Smoking Rubber is all over the place with some very strange and questionable advice. I saw one thread where he got in a huge "screaming" match with somebody and temporally banned. Whoa.

laserbrn said:

Oh and the reason I said that if you look through my old journals you'd see why I don't feed early and don't feed strong in veg......I've burned many, many plants. Especially using AN nutes, they are strong and less is way more. Check out my current grow log, my previous grow log, I don't fuck around anymore and I've figured out how to do this without burning the plants and slowing yourself way down. And this smokingrubber guy has tried to contradict me on a few threads now and it's pissing me off that he's offering up poor advice based on shit he's just simply read somewhere. 3rd set of leaves 400ppm, told ya. That's 100% guaranteed to burn the shit out of them and it's TERRIBLE advice.

Put them back on plain water until you see new growth that is nice and green again up on top. Then move to 50ppm and leave it there for a couple of days. You need to be gentle too them. Seedlings are sensitive.

Oh yeah...and as reminder, pics please.

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Man, Smoking Rubber is all over the place with some very strange and questionable advice. I saw one thread where he got in a huge "screaming" match with somebody and temporally banned. Whoa.

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Yeah after the Dandelion disagreement he should've figured out that I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I don't come on this forum often for advice anymore. I come by to help growers to figure this out with maximum chance at success. I like to share my experience with others. Not google shit, regurgitate nonsense and keep the misinformation alive.

When I joined this forum a few years back it was RIDDLED with misinformation. What was considered to be true, simply wasn't and I destroyed my plants trying some of the shit people said. I have watched countless others, and it typically stems from the users that don't have grows under their own belt that are trying to help out other new growers.

I understand that they are trying to help. That they are trying to share the information that they know with someone seeking information. The problem is that the information that they "know" isn't always correct. The simple fact is that the information was obtained from the forum and regurgitated. Where it originated is a complete mystery and it's like playing the game "operator" as a kid.

When you are seeking advice look for people with higher reputation points (not that this a very good indicator, but it's a start), pictures of their grows, links to their journals, and look for people that you respect.

You are often better off searching for the information that you seek. It gives you the opportunity to ascertain a lot of opinions quickly, identify the sources of the arguments, and to make a reasonable decision based upon your own judgement. If 10 people give one answer and 10 people give another or even a completely polar opposite (which is often the case) you are only left to consider the source. You can't simply guess at it. The rollitup search sucks. Always has. Use Google. Their search engine searches RIU better than RIU's does...fuckin' sad MODS and Administrators! Just google for example "Seedling PPM rollitup". I haven't done it, but I'd bet you yeild quicker results and the ability to consider many sources in a shorter period of time.

I've also decided that I'm going to go ahead and put the "credit" on the quote that is now my signature. Disagreeing with me again and gettin' this guys plants burned after the dandelion shit isn't cool. I know you're trying to help, but we all dropped it and let you slide on the first one. It was a clear sign you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but we let it go. Repeating the same mistake is absolutely asinine.

laserbrn said:

Yeah after the Dandelion disagreement he should've figured out that I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I don't come on this forum often for advice anymore. I come by to help growers to figure this out with maximum chance at success. I like to share my experience with others. Not google shit, regurgitate nonsense and kepp the misinformation alive.

When I joined this forum a few years back it was RIDDLED with misinformation. What was considered to be true, simply wasn't and I destroyed my plants trying some of the people shit said. I have watched countless others, and it typically stems from the users that don't have grows under their own belt that are trying to help out other new growers.

I understand that they are trying to help. That they are trying to share the information that they know with someone seeking information. The problem is that they information that they "know" isn't always correct. The simple fact is that the information was obtained from the forum and regurgitated. Where it originated is a complete mystery and it's like playing the game "operator" as a kid.

When you are seeking advice look for people with higher reputation points (not that this a very indicator, but it's a start), pictures of their grows, links to their journals, and look for people that you respect.

You are better off often searching for the information that you seek. It gives you the opportunity to ascertain a lot of opinions quickly, identify the sources of the arguments, and to make a reasonable decision based upon your own judgement. If 10 people give one answer and 10 people give another or even a completely polar opposite (which is often the case) you are only left to consider the source. You can't simply guess at it. The rollitup search sucks. Always has. Use google. Their search engine searches RIU better than RIU's does...fuckin' sad MODS and Administrators! Just google for example "Seedling PPM rollitup". I haven't done it, but I'd bet you yeild quicker results and the ability to consider many sources in a shorter period of time.

I've also decided that I'm going to go ahead and put the "credit" on the quote that is now my signature. Disagreeing with me again and gettin' this guys plants burned after the dandelion shit isn't cool. I know you're trying to help, but we all dropped it and let you slide on the first one. It was a clear sign you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but we let it go. Repeating the same mistake is absolutely asinine.

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Anon, looking good so far - keep up the good work.

Feel free to check out my journal for setup ideas if you'd like (same as you but with a 1000 in my tent).

I had flushed, brought the nutes up to 50ppm and have slowly increased it to 170ppm. Brown spots keep appearing and it took out the first set of jagged leaves then they are over taking the first set of jagged leaves of 3. and now its moving up to the first set of 5. As always the new growth is coming in green, but im sure will get spotty. Here are some pictures, i apologize about the low resolution.

anon1122 said:

I had flushed, brought the nutes up to 50ppm and have slowly increased it to 170ppm. Brown spots keep appearing and it took out the first set of jagged leaves then they are over taking the first set of jagged leaves of 3. and now its moving up to the first set of 5. As always the new growth is coming in green, but im sure will get spotty. Here are some pictures, i apologize about the low resolution.

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The leaves that were originally damaged by the nutes will slowly die off. They are damaged now and the plant will eat them up as necessary. There's nothing you can do about them now, the fact that your new growth is coming in green is very good.

It's been awhile since you updated (and I was going to ask today for an update), but things don't look too bad. The bottom leaves will yellow off and die. Let them. I would get them up to about 200-250ppm by raising slowly like you have been. Then leave them there for about another week. They should then take off and be ready to go. How high are your lights now?

laserbrn said:

The leaves that were originally damaged by the nutes will slowly die off. They are damaged now and the plant will eat them up as necessary. There's nothing you can do about them now, the fact that your new growth is coming in green is very good.

It's been awhile since you updated (and I was going to ask today for an update), but things don't look too bad. The bottom leaves will yellow off and die. Let them. I would get them up to about 200-250ppm by raising slowly like you have been. Then leave them there for about another week. They should then take off and be ready to go. How high are your lights now?

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Light is at about a foot or so. The only thing that is troubling me is that the first set of 5 pointed leaves came in green, but yesterday started developing spots. If it happens with this next set coming in I will really worry because that first set of 5 points was coming in during the fluctuation and turmoil. so this next set will tell.

ps, told you the carbon filter was effing HUGE.

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Light is at about a foot or so. The only thing that is troubling me is that the first set of 5 pointed leaves came in green, but yesterday started developing spots. If it happens with this next set coming in I will really worry because that first set of 5 points was coming in during the fluctuation and turmoil. so this next set will tell.

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Hey anon, I had/am battling what seems to be the same problem as you - saw the yellowing on the leaves of my freshly rooted clones, thought it might be nute burn (it wasn't), thought it might be an N deficiency (it wasn't), and then came to the realization of what it is.

In my attempts to get my clones to catch up to some other plants, I put them directly under my 400 (and moved the older, stronger plants to the perimeter), about a foot away (my light runs 24/7) - I only figured out what the issue was when I realized that the clones that were slightly shaded by the larger plants had no yellow - evidently I had the clones so close to the light that they were getting "bleached" and losing their ability to photosynthesize.

Long story short, moved the light up about a foot, and all's better now - for how large those seedlings are, a 600 at a foot away is kinda strong, IMHO.

Trust me, I was always under the impression that as close as you can get the light to the plants is the best, but for young seedlings and clones, that seems to not always be the case.

Anyhow, good luck to you in whatever you decide to do.

some people on here have said it could be a magnesium deficiency. any thoughts on how to rectify this? or any tell tale signs?

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some people on here have said it could be a magnesium deficiency. any thoughts on how to rectify this? or any tell tale signs?

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Well if it's an mg deficiency, you need to get some Cal-Mag, or switch to some nutes that have a reasonable amount of mg in them (I just started using GH, and no problems since I switched).

As far as telltale signs, the link below is okay, and there's tons of these on the Net, most with pics as well:

http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/tables_guide.php

As a caution, I've found that most symptoms that growers (like me) instantly attribute to nutes are actually caused by something else - we've been programmed to assume that any problem is related to nutes, but I'd do a double-check of your other factors first, and leave nutes until the very end.

Is your pH okay? Temp okay? Enough ventilation, enough water (but not too much), etc., etc...............make sure all of these are okay, and then when you've eliminated all else, you can conclude that it's a nute problem.

Just my MO, some may agree and some may disagree - do what you think is appropriate.

Just seems to me that nutes are a "scapegoat" more often then not when the problem lies elsewhere.

Good luck.

Lol, just looked at your picks again - have a hard time believing a two or three inch tall plant is suffering from an mg deficiency already.

That'd have to be a record, no?

If you're taking a poll, my vote is "no" on the mg deficiency.

That 600w light is a foot away? Please tell me I'm mistaken? How did that not come up all this time? I must be missing something! Get that light up another foot, 2 would be better. I would raise that light to about 30" and give those plants a chance. If they start to stretch, lower the light, but I'll bet they don't stretch.

You don't have an MG Deficiency, don't start in on all of that. These plants are small and have just been through a lot. They don't have a lot to work with as far as leaves so you need to be gentle on them. Treat them very gently, easy nutes, easy light on seedlings. Otherwise it just goes really, really, really slowly.

Yeah, I wonder about the heat too. How long can you hold your hand directly over the tops of the plants before feeling heat?

laserbrn said:

That 600w light is a foot away? Please tell me I'm mistaken? How did that not come up all this time? I must be missing something! Get that light up another foot, 2 would be better. I would raise that light to about 30" and give those plants a chance. If they start to stretch, lower the light, but I'll bet they don't stretch.

You don't have an MG Deficiency, don't start in on all of that. These plants are small and have just been through a lot. They don't have a lot to work with as far as leaves so you need to be gentle on them. Treat them very gently, easy nutes, easy light on seedlings. Otherwise it just goes really, really, really slowly.

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Cosign on all of that - you need to take into account the source of the info before having strangers on the Internet diagnose problems for you.

To further LB's point, the pic below is the clones after they were moved into my flowering tent a couple of days ago (to veg, not flowering them yet) - that light (1000HPS) is a solid three feet above my clones, and they're all covered in light.

Trust me (us), start off slow under an HID light - start high, and work your way down, not the other way around.

Bob Smith said:

Cosign on all of that - you need to take into account the source of the info before having strangers on the Internet diagnose problems for you.

To further LB's point, the pic below is the clones after they were moved into my flowering tent a couple of days ago (to veg, not flowering them yet) - that light (1000HPS) is a solid three feet above my clones, and they're all covered in light.

Trust me (us), start off slow under an HID light - start high, and work your way down, not the other way around.

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Agreed, and seedlings are even more sensitive than clones! I have my T5HO's about 24" above my seedlings when they are the size you have there. That's a floro for crying out loud. You definitely need to get that 600 up to at least 30", even 3 feet would probably be better.

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I raised the light to about 30 inches +/-. I hope its just a light issue like you said. You guys know what you're talking about. I'll let you be my Sherpas. lol.

I took some extra pictures other than just the plants so you can see my ventilation and scale of stuff. 175 ppm and roughly 6.08 ph. Heat isn't an issue, you can hold your hand right to the glass and it isn't hot. It's warm, but no more than 80 if you're touching it. Will they bounce back from light damage or will those leaves just be a loss?

Hopefully they'll take off soon, I see other people at 3 weeks and they have mini bushes, but I'm sure they haven't been raping their plants with light either.

Thank you all for your help and insight. I'll rep you as much as I can.

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I raised the light to about 30 inches +/-. I hope its just a light issue like you said. You guys know what you're talking about. I'll let you be my Sherpas. lol.

I took some extra pictures other than just the plants so you can see my ventilation and scale of stuff. 175 ppm and roughly 6.08 ph. Heat isn't an issue, you can hold your hand right to the glass and it isn't hot. It's warm, but no more than 80 if you're touching it. Will they bounce back from light damage or will those leaves just be a loss?

Hopefully they'll take off soon, I see other people at 3 weeks and they have mini bushes, but I'm sure they haven't been raping their plants with light either.

Thank you all for your help and insight. I'll rep you as much as I can.

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Check out my WW grow log in my signature. Go to the beginning and read the first few pages. I bought a T5HO and treated it like a regular floro and had the same problem you do. Just look at the pics and you'll know you're doing the right thing. Those same pics from the beginning of that journal are featured in my avatar. You'll be just fine as soon as they get going again.

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Check out my WW grow log in my signature. Go to the beginning and read the first few pages. I bought a T5HO and treated it like a regular floro and had the same problem you do. Just look at the pics and you'll know you're doing the right thing. Those same pics from the beginning of that journal are featured in my avatar. You'll be just fine as soon as they get going again.

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Thanks so much man, I appreciate it!

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I raised the light to about 30 inches +/-. I hope its just a light issue like you said. You guys know what you're talking about. I'll let you be my Sherpas. lol.

I took some extra pictures other than just the plants so you can see my ventilation and scale of stuff. 175 ppm and roughly 6.08 ph. Heat isn't an issue, you can hold your hand right to the glass and it isn't hot. It's warm, but no more than 80 if you're touching it. Will they bounce back from light damage or will those leaves just be a loss?

Hopefully they'll take off soon, I see other people at 3 weeks and they have mini bushes, but I'm sure they haven't been raping their plants with light either.

Thank you all for your help and insight. I'll rep you as much as I can.

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I think I can speak on LB's behalf when I say it's our pleasure.

BTW to both of you - put together some short Youtube videos of my two tent setups, if either of you are interested.

Just do a search for "SOGBobSmith" and there's seven ~1 minute videos - would love any input and/or feedback from either of you.