Guide for Diagnosing Plant Problems

Snow Crash

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Hey guys, starting my second grow. My first grow was in coco soil with BC Nutrients. Turned out to be a pain. BC nutrients have to much K, which reacts with coco soil and blocks nitrogen from getting to plants.
On my second grow I will try eb and flow system with a rock-wool media. After my first grow I am still confused what nutrient to use. Schedule of feeding of nutrients is pretty important too. so I was wondering if you guys can post which nutrients worked best for you, and your schedule of feeding, for example when I should start feeding nuts. and at what dosage. Please be as detailed as possible.
Appreciate any help
What kind of Ebb/Flow system are you going to run? A table or buckets?
What kind of equipment are you working with now?
What equipment are you planning on buying?
What is your budget?

If you're open to the idea you can do another coco grow with a lot more success for a lot less investment.

I suggest if you want to do an Ebb/Flow system eventually you do some important purchases now. If you're going to do a table, just get the tray and the table and a bucket to drain to. If you're going to do buckets then get a 6-site CAP expansion module without a controller ($60 online).

Either way you can run six medium sized plants (30 inches, plus or minus 6 inches depending on how you grow them and genetics) in 2 gallon planters of coco.

Then what you do is purchase some CNS 17 Coco/Soil Grow, Bloom, and Ripe. I haven't had the pleasure of using these nutrients but have seen the results and am working closely with another grower who is using them. Simple, cheap, effective. They have directions on the label you can follow that run a little hot for some strains.

Basically you start with the Grow. 5ml, 10ml, 15ml, 20ml, 25ml, and then you hold it at 25. When you flip to 12/12 you start running 10ml of Grow and 10ml of Bloom for one week. Then with the Bloom you do something like 25ml, 20ml, 20ml, 20ml. Then you run the ripe at 25ml, 20ml, 15ml, 10ml, and flush.

You can reduce the levels as much as 5ml per week. It will drop the EC by about 0.4 or 0.5 depending on what you're using.

Each bottle is about $8. Which means for $25 in nutrients, $12 in coco, and $60 Six site ebb/flow without a controller, you're looking at a full grow for under $100.

Otherwise I'd suggest you take a look at Botanicare Pure Blend Pro, DynaGro, or General Hydroponics FloraNova (or micro+bloom lucas/H3ad/Rez formula) for your ebb/flow system. Many people utilize these nutrients and you'll get support from the community that does.
 

Hash Lover

Well-Known Member
I would have loved to check it out but the world just hasn't progressed that far but maybe some day. Keep growing
'cause someday we will change the world!!
That's what I'm talking about !! Sticking It To The Man !! It's just a matter of time, They already know they can't stop us, I guess that's why cannabis is the #1 cash crop in the US. And growing. (pun intended)
 
I have had powdery mildew now for a few months and cannot get it gone...
I have tried spraying with milk,neem,sarenade,sulfur water...
In veg. I can controll it, but in late flower its a real problem!
I really need help with this one and would appreciate any advice!

Thank you much!
 

Mr marko

Member
Gotta fess up. I increased my nutes on a water change. Like a lazy ass I poured the nute increased water into the net basket all over the clay pellets. Now my la blanca is wilting. Is it in shock or on it's death bed?
 

Hash Lover

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't think that just pouring the water over the pellets would hurt anything. I did that regularly when I was doing hydro. Water to high ? If there's any question take them out to rinse and pour some plain water over them. Them leave just enough water in the bucket to touch the very bottom of the roots. This will allow plenty of oxygen to get to the root system. Leave them like this for a day and see what happens. It will not hurt them in any way, I ran a NFT type system that had about 1/2 inch in the bottom of a 2 gal bucket and it did well.
 

puck1969

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That's what I'm talking about !! Sticking It To The Man !! It's just a matter of time, They already know they can't stop us, I guess that's why cannabis is the #1 cash crop in the US. And growing. (pun intended)
All things are well, plant's are recovering nicely! Thank god! now I can go ahead and continue to break the law! Hey, if people wouldn't be greedy and vote against
the pot legeslation because it would hurt their "profit margin" it would already been passed. It's still gonna be a long fight!
 
Hey everyone, im finding it really difficult to diagnose what is wrong with my little girls the leaves are curling, and im not sure if it is because of lack of moisture of overwatering or heat or light. im sooo confused. Ive just uploaded some pics to my grow journal whcih is the thread in my signature. i will +rep anyone who can help even the tiniest bit. Thanks guys
 

Snow Crash

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Hey everyone, im finding it really difficult to diagnose what is wrong with my little girls the leaves are curling, and im not sure if it is because of lack of moisture of overwatering or heat or light. im sooo confused. Ive just uploaded some pics to my grow journal whcih is the thread in my signature. i will +rep anyone who can help even the tiniest bit. Thanks guys
I responded in your grow journal for you.
 

Burnalot

Member
I cut down one day ago smelt bomb and skunky now after one day light smell n crisp little buds bigger ones still damp but hay like smell what should I do please
 

Snow Crash

Well-Known Member
I cut down one day ago smelt bomb and skunky now after one day light smell n crisp little buds bigger ones still damp but hay like smell what should I do please
Allow it to finish drying, then cure it. That's what everyone else does.
Your temperature and humidity is good, right?
 
hi need some help im growing in coco using ionic nutes planted rooted clones about a week ago with 1/2 strength nutes had about 15% runoff in 11ltr pots under a 600watt light in a 1.5x1.5sq meter tent good air supply but clones are growing slow and very light green and drooping leaves sorry no pics any help appreciated
 

odlaw

Active Member
dropping leaves could be over watering but i doubt that in coco possibly heat cant say without pics man is your light cooltubed? whats temps like?
they will tak a bit to take of man they probly still just developing a solid root system
 

odlaw

Active Member
Hey everyone, im finding it really difficult to diagnose what is wrong with my little girls the leaves are curling, and im not sure if it is because of lack of moisture of overwatering or heat or light. im sooo confused. Ive just uploaded some pics to my grow journal whcih is the thread in my signature. i will +rep anyone who can help even the tiniest bit. Thanks guys
are the leaves a dark green and does the curling kinda look like claws if so its probly a N overdose flush and lower ya nutes a lil if it is
 

dannyboy602

Well-Known Member
I diagnose alot of sick plants. We have a saying.....It always comes down to one of four things. Plant is too low, too high. Too wet or too dry.
 

the wiz

Member
I diagnose alot of sick plants. We have a saying.....It always comes down to one of four things. Plant is too low, too high. Too wet or too dry.
The pics I have uploaded below are of my 6 week old Il Diavolo AutoFlower. All the plants seem to be healthy. But for the last 3 weeks, one of my plants has been producing these leaves. And now, the number is increasing. Do you have any advice?

Here are my specs:
-6 going on 7 weeks old
-soil
-400W HPS
-Fox Farm cha ching at the moment
 

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temp 83-85 f im using adjust a wings i have moved the light up and there showing signs of improvement except 1 hopefully fingers crossed it comes on thanks for the reply
 

kevin

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here's another good chart to go by.


Nutrient Guide


To use the Problem-Solver, simply start at #1 below. When you think you've found the problem, read the Nutrients section to learn more about it. Diagnose carefully before making major changes.
1) If the problem affects only the bottom or middle of the plant go to #2. b) If it affects only the top of the plant or the growing tips, skip to #10. If the problem seems to affect the entire plant equally, skip to #6.
2) Leaves are a uniform yellow or light green; leaves die & drop; growth is slow. Leaf margins are not curled-up noticeably. >> Nitrogen(N) deficiency. b) If not, go to #3.
3) Margins of the leaves are turned up, and the tips may be twisted. Leaves are yellowing (and may turn brown), but the veins remain somewhat green. >> Magnesium (Mg) deficiency. b) If not, go to #4.
4) Leaves are browning or yellowing. Yellow, brown, or necrotic (dead) patches, especially around the edges of the leaf, which may be curled. Plant may be too tall. >> Potassium (K) deficiency. b) If not, keep reading.
5) Leaves are dark green or red/purple. Stems and petioles may have purple & red on them. Leaves may turn yellow or curl under. Leaf may drop easily. Growth may be slow and leaves may be small. >> Phosphorus(P) deficiency. b) If not, go to #6.
6) Tips of leaves are yellow, brown, or dead. Plant otherwise looks healthy & green. Stems may be soft >> Over-fertilization (especially N), over-watering, damaged roots, or insufficient soil aeration (use more sand or perlite. Occasionally due to not enough N, P, or K. b) If not, go to #7.
7) Leaves are curled under like a ram's horn, and are dark green, gray, brown, or gold. >> Over-fertilization (too much N). b) If not, go to #8…
The plant is wilted, even though the soil is moist. >> Over-fertilization, soggy soil, damaged roots, disease; copper deficiency (very unlikely). b) If not, go to #9.
9) Plants won't flower, even though they get 12 hours of darkness for over 2 weeks. >> The night period is not completely dark. Too much nitrogen. Too much pruning or cloning. b) If not, go to #10...
10) Leaves are yellow or white, but the veins are mostly green. >> Iron (Fe) deficiency. b) If not, go to #11.
11) Leaves are light green or yellow beginning at the base, while the leaf margins remain green. Necrotic spots may be between veins. Leaves are not twisted. >> Manganese (Mn) deficiency. b) If not, #12.
12) Leaves are twisted. Otherwise, pretty much like #11. >> Zinc (Zn) deficiency. b) If not, #13.
13) Leaves twist, then turn brown or die. >> The lights are too close to the plant. Rarely, a Calcium (Ca) or Boron (B) deficiency. b) If not… You may just have a weak plant.

The Nutrients:
Nitrogen - Plants need lots of N during vegging, but it's easy to overdo it. Added too much? Flush the soil with plain water. Soluble nitrogen (especially nitrate) is the form that's the most quickly available to the roots, while insoluble N (like urea) first needs to be broken down by microbes in the soil before the roots can absorb it. Avoid excessive ammonium nitrogen, which can interfere with other nutrients. Too much N delays flowering. Plants should be allowed to become N-deficient late in flowering for best flavor.
Magnesium - Mg-deficiency is pretty common since marijuana uses lots of it and many fertilizers don't have enough of it. Mg-deficiency is easily fixed with ¼ teaspoon/gallon of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water) or foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart. When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil for Mg. Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.
Potassium - Too much sodium (Na) displaces K, causing a K deficiency. Sources of high salinity are: baking soda (sodium bicarbonate "pH-up"), too much manure, and the use of water-softening filters (which should not be used). If the problem is Na, flush the soil. K can get locked up from too much Ca or ammonium nitrogen, and possibly cold weather.
Phosphorous - Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Red petioles and stems are a normal, genetic characteristic for many varieties, plus it can also be a co-symptom of N, K, and Mg-deficiencies, so red stems are not a foolproof sign of P-deficiency. Too much P can lead to iron deficiency.
Iron - Fe is unavailable to plants when the pH of the water or soil is too high. If deficient, lower the pH to about 6.5 (for rockwool, about 5.7), and check that you're not adding too much P, which can lock up Fe. Use iron that's chelated for maximum availability. Read your fertilizer's ingredients - chelated iron might read something like "iron EDTA". To much Fe without adding enough P can cause a P-deficiency.
Manganese - Mn gets locked out when the pH is too high, and when there's too much iron. Use chelated Mn.
Zinc - Also gets locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients-lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available. Foliar feed if the plant looks real bad. Use chelated zinc.
Check Your Water - Crusty faucets and shower heads mean your water is "hard," usually due to too many minerals. Tap water with a TDS (total dissolved solids) level of more than around 200ppm (parts per million) is "hard" and should be looked into, especially if your plants have a chronic problem. Ask your water company for an analysis listing, which will usually list the pH, TDS, and mineral levels (as well as the pollutants, carcinogens, etc) for the tap water in your area. This is a common request, especially in this day and age, so it shouldn't raise an eyebrow. Regular water filters will not reduce a high TDS level, but the costlier reverse-osmosis units, distillers, and de-ionizers will. A digital TDS meter (or EC = electrical conductivity meter) is an incredibly useful tool for monitoring the nutrient levels of nutrient solution, and will pay for itself before you know it. They run about $40 and up.
General Feeding Tips - Pot plants are very adaptable, but a general rule of thumb is to use more nitrogen & less phosphorous during the vegetative period, and the exact opposite during the flowering period. For the veg. period try a N:P:K ratio of about 10:7:8 (which of course is the same ratio as 20:14:16), and for flowering plants, 4:8:8. Check the pH after adding nutrients. If you use a reservoir, keep it circulating and change it every 2 weeks. A general guideline for TDS levels is as follows:
seedlings = 50-150 ppm; unrooted clones = 100-350 ppm; small plants = 400-800 ppm; large plants = 900-1800 ppm; last week of flowering = taper off to plain water. These numbers are just a guideline, and many factors can change the actual level the plants will need. Certain nutrients are "invisible" to TDS meters, especially organics, so use TDS level only as an estimate of actual nutrient levels. When in doubt about a new fertilizer, follow the fertilizer's directions for feeding tomatoes. Grow a few tomato or radish plants nearby for comparison.
PH - The pH of water after adding any nutrients should be around 5.9-6.5 (in rockwool, 5.5-6.1). Generally speaking, the micro-nutrients (Fe, Zn, Mn, Cu) get locked out at a high pH (alkaline) above 7.0, while the major nutrients (N, P, K, Mg) can be less available in acidic soil or water (below 5.0). Tap water is often too alkaline. Soils with lots of peat or other organic matter in them tend to get too acidic, which some dolomite lime will help fix. Soil test kits vary in accuracy, and generally the more you pay the better the accuracy. For the water, color-based pH test kits from aquarium stores are inexpensive, but inaccurate. Invest in a digital pH meter ($40-80), preferably a waterproof one. You won't regret it.
Cold - Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can lock up phosphorous. Some
varieties, like equatorial sativas, don't take well to cold weather. If you can keep the roots warmer, the plant will be able to take cooler temps than it otherwise could.
Heat - If the lights are too close to the plant, the tops may be curled, dry, and look burnt, mimicking a nutrient problem. Your hand should not feel hot after a minute when you hold it at the top of the plants. Raise the lights and/or aim a fan at the hot zone. Room temps should be kept under 85F (29C) -- or 90F (33) if you add additional CO2.
Humidity - Thin, shriveled leaves can be from low humidity. 40-80 % is usually fine.
Mold and Fungus - Dark patchy areas on leaves and buds can be mold. Lower the humidity and increase the ventilation if mold is a problem. Remove any dead leaves, wherever they are. Keep your garden clean.
Insects - White spots on the tops of leaves can mean spider mites
underneath.
Sprays - Foliar sprays can have a "magnifying glass" effect under bright lights, causing small white, yellow or burnt spots which can be confused with a nutrient problem. Some sprays can also cause chemical reactions.
Insufficient light - tall, stretching plants are usually from using the wrong kind of light.. Don't use regular incandescent bulbs ("grow bulbs") or halogens to grow cannabis. Invest in fluorescent lighting (good) or HID lighting (much better) which supply the high-intensity light
that cannabis needs for good growth and tight buds. Even better, grow in sunlight.
Clones - yellowing leaves on unrooted clones can be from too much light, or the stem may not be firmly touching the rooting medium. Turn off any CO2 until they root. Too much fertilizer can shrivel or wilt clones - plain tap water is fine.​
 

lamboguy

Member
I am a new grower and would appreciate any help you can provide with my concerns. Here are the details to hopefully help make it easier to diagnose what the issue is or deficiency may be.

I have an indoor PC case grow (micro grow) with with two 120m fan's for intake out exhaust, 4 cfl bulbs, 2-27 watt 5500k daytime lights and 2-42 watt 2700k. My temps range from 70-90 degrees Fahrenheit depending on the time of the day. I am using a soil-less organic medium by sunny girl gardens (ok but will not use this brand again), my PH is at a pretty constant 6.8, I have not used any nutes, using distilled water every 2-3 days depending on how dry the top 1-2" of the soil is, I am using 6" pots and am watering about a cup or two of water when needed. This is an auto-flowering Short Stuff blue Himalayan that is 29 days old, 2 weeks into flowering, and is 7" tall. I am not sure if what I am seeing on the leaves is normal, some type of deficiency, or something else. I think the leaves may be suffering from too much heat but not sure. Any ideas as to what may be wrong? If you need any more info just let me know.DSC_4476.jpgDSC_4479.jpgDSC_4480.jpgDSC_4489.jpgDSC_4485.jpg thx:leaf:
 

Hash Lover

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Hey lamboguy, does the medium you are using have any nutes in it ? Looks like you are starting to show some deficiency's. A well rounded mix of N-P-K should help to start. But lightly, maybe start with 1/2 of what they recommend and 2 cups worth. Then after a couple waterings with that start using something more in the lines of a bloom nute. Depends on what you have available. The heat isn't great and should slow growth some maybe but shouldn't really hurt them as long as they have enough water. Maybe some higher CFM fans would help. If you are not doing it already try to have lights off during the warmest time of the day.
 
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