Hamas offensive against Israel

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I was under the impression that Hamas is squeezed,in small pockets,I think by satellite imagery we'd know where to drop in the event the Israelis aren't keen on providing info,.I mean at this point Israel has pretty solid control,but yeah there is some risk,damn the way luck is going we'd have a crash or who knows what else,but the optics are looking bad for Israel and the US is catching flack as well. It'd be the right thing to do,a large portion of these people are just reg. people just trying to live from what I see. I'm of the mind that if these people aren't helped out SOON,this is going to be seen as a level of cruelty that will have the words "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" being tossed around in the world opinion narrative.
I suspect that Rubicon has been crossed. It already is being seen and described as genocidal cruelty. I have the sinking feeling that Israel’s fascist cadre is enjoying that.
 

CCGNZ

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I suspect that Rubicon has been crossed. It already is being seen and described as genocidal cruelty. I have the sinking feeling that Israel’s fascist cadre is enjoying that.
I"m also disturbed by the hard-right Israeli "settlers" on the West Bank, some of these people are fanatical and are committing atrocities,and when combined w/the Netanyahu govt. are painting a picture of the state of Israel that I don't believe a large % of their population is "down with".
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I"m also disturbed by the hard-right Israeli "settlers" on the West Bank, some of these people are fanatical and are committing atrocities,and when combined w/the Netanyahu govt. are painting a picture of the state of Israel that I don't believe a large % of their population is "down with".
Unfortunately the current government has begun implementing actions to achieve minority rule, mooting public opinion.

We are (still) damned close to the same happening here. Here as well, the judicial is the key.
 

CANON_Grow

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Good point,but we have serious leverage over Israel,and what premise do the Israeli's have to object,they think we'd screw them giving something that really helps Hamas?, we'd be dropping strictly humanitarian aid,so if Hamas grabbed a couple pallets of food or medical supplies,or whatever,BIG DEAL,it's not going to effect the Isreal wiping them out,you suggest that Israel would think we'd give Hamas stingers or something,really,we are Israels most trusted ally,and from what I see Hamas is confined extremely and in tiny pockets,so I think helping out all the civilians is a noble idea, I don't think Israel's pop. is for killing everybody in Gaza,the Netanyahu govt.? ,I'm not so sure.
Helping civilians is the moral and proper thing to do without a doubt. I agree that the vast majority of Israeli citizens do not want to see innocent civilians in Gaza killed or suffering; I'd argue that the majority of the government does not want to see innocent civilians in Gaza suffering or killed. There are a few extremists in Israel's government getting exactly what they want, Hamas is getting everything they want, and many decent people are suffering which is why this war is so angering. I just hope the majority decides enough is enough - sooner rather than later, and those extremists become pariahs once again.
 

CCGNZ

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Unfortunately the current government has begun implementing actions to achieve minority rule, mooting public opinion.

We are (still) damned close to the same happening here. Here as well, the judicial is the key.
Good point,and I have reservations about the current state of the SCOTUS,another under the radar credit to Biden is that he hasn't attempted to increase the amount of sitting judges,damn straight if the roles were reversed the Reps. would be kicking and screaming to boost the number to 11 judges.
 

Sativied

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OK possibly some good news.


Sigrid Kaag, a Dutch politician and veteran United Nations diplomat, will take charge of the international body’s effort to bring humanitarian relief to war-ravaged Gaza, the UN Secretary General announced Tuesday, filling a position created this month in a breakthrough UN Security Council resolution.

Not mentioned in the article is that her husband is Anis al-Qaq, a former Palestinian Authority Deputy minister (under Arafat) and ambassador from Jerusalem. Unlike the article suggest she didn't lead her party (proper left dems) to victory in 2021 but they did gain a lot. Unfortunately, cause at the time we had hopes she'd be our first female PM. Her main problem was an image problem, too posh. Almost in a British way. Bit disconnected from regular simple folk. And of course the whole Afghanistan fiasco wasn't on her. That said, very decent, qualified, reasonable and experienced polygot.

She's pretty much the best we got, or had cause unlike the article suggests she wasn't going to quit politics, just national politics. Don't know what she can do at this point but she'll give whatever she's supposed to do the full 100%.
 

Sativied

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Erdogan: "They used to speak ill of Hitler. What difference do you have from Hitler? They are going to make us miss Hitler. Is what this Netanyahu is doing any less than what Hitler did? It is not.

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Netanyahu responded: "Erdogan, who commits genocide against the Kurds, who holds a world record for imprisoning journalists who oppose his rule," Netanyahu said in a statement, "is the last person who can preach morality to us."

 

Fogdog

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Erdogan: "They used to speak ill of Hitler. What difference do you have from Hitler? They are going to make us miss Hitler. Is what this Netanyahu is doing any less than what Hitler did? It is not.

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Netanyahu responded: "Erdogan, who commits genocide against the Kurds, who holds a world record for imprisoning journalists who oppose his rule," Netanyahu said in a statement, "is the last person who can preach morality to us."

It takes one to know one.
 

BudmanTX

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OK possibly some good news.


Sigrid Kaag, a Dutch politician and veteran United Nations diplomat, will take charge of the international body’s effort to bring humanitarian relief to war-ravaged Gaza, the UN Secretary General announced Tuesday, filling a position created this month in a breakthrough UN Security Council resolution.

Not mentioned in the article is that her husband is Anis al-Qaq, a former Palestinian Authority Deputy minister (under Arafat) and ambassador from Jerusalem. Unlike the article suggest she didn't lead her party (proper left dems) to victory in 2021 but they did gain a lot. Unfortunately, cause at the time we had hopes she'd be our first female PM. Her main problem was an image problem, too posh. Almost in a British way. Bit disconnected from regular simple folk. And of course the whole Afghanistan fiasco wasn't on her. That said, very decent, qualified, reasonable and experienced polygot.

She's pretty much the best we got, or had cause unlike the article suggests she wasn't going to quit politics, just national politics. Don't know what she can do at this point but she'll give whatever she's supposed to do the full 100%.
She seems very professional and promising...her husband might also bring some insight since he was ex early PA.

Rumorville is saying once Hamas and IJ are ejected out of Gaza, PA will take over and run gaza.....we shall see...
 

Sativied

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What also says a lot about her is that she's the most harassed and hated person by the far-right in NL. Our own demagogue, Wilders, possibly soon to be PM referred to her as a 'witch'.

Started clashing with our current PM Rutte over Israel-Palestina in 2021. He's objectively too logical and cold regarding the situation in Gaza, Kaag only appears like that sometimes in the eyes of men who can't stand a strong woman with more brains than they have. She's a heavyweight. Middle Eastern Studies undergraduate at uni of Utrecht, Masters in International relationships at Oxford uni, foreign relationship at uni of Exeter. I honestly have no idea how or what she's going to do, but this isn't someone who takes a position because it comes with a good salary and prestige. Elite af though. I probably won't even agree with her on everything but at the same time, it's one of those persons that makes me sleep better if at the wheel.

"In 1996, a young Sigrid Kaag debated in Buitenhof [quality talk show, same where Bernie was recently] with the Orthodox Jewish writer and journalist Wiesje de Lange. Both were living in Jerusalem at the time, just three kilometers apart from each other [Kaag in east Jerusalem], but they seemed to come from different planets. It was a year after Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was murdered by an ultra-right-wing Jewish extremist in an attempt to sabotage peace with the Palestinians. The right-wing Benjamin Netanyahu began his rise, to the dismay of left-wing Israelis who wondered how there could ever be peace."

In an interview from 1996, Kaag said that Benjamin Netanyahu, who was that year elected prime minister for the first time, does not represent peace-seeking Israelis. She also said the prime minister’s “way is of soundbites with racist, demagogic overtones about the Palestinian peace partner, his Arab peace partner, who are being sidelined.”
 

CCGNZ

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The exact outcome that had him and his far-right fanatical coalition seek to castrate the court's power,Netanyahu's true motives seemingly grow darker daily. While I'm not in the know about the Gaza military campaign I find it difficult at best understanding the level of destruction I've seen in regards to the opponent their fighting.They want to annihilate a force of approx. 30 k fighters in a pop. of over 2 million and yet I see whole blocks reduced to rubble.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The exact outcome that had him and his far-right fanatical coalition seek to castrate the court's power,Netanyahu's true motives seemingly grow darker daily. While I'm not in the know about the Gaza military campaign I find it difficult at best understanding the level of destruction I've seen in regards to the opponent their fighting.They want to annihilate a force of approx. 30 k fighters in a pop. of over 2 million and yet I see whole blocks reduced to rubble.
It does seem like the only genocide that mattered was their own.
 

BudmanTX

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What also says a lot about her is that she's the most harassed and hated person by the far-right in NL. Our own demagogue, Wilders, possibly soon to be PM referred to her as a 'witch'.

Started clashing with our current PM Rutte over Israel-Palestina in 2021. He's objectively too logical and cold regarding the situation in Gaza, Kaag only appears like that sometimes in the eyes of men who can't stand a strong woman with more brains than they have. She's a heavyweight. Middle Eastern Studies undergraduate at uni of Utrecht, Masters in International relationships at Oxford uni, foreign relationship at uni of Exeter. I honestly have no idea how or what she's going to do, but this isn't someone who takes a position because it comes with a good salary and prestige. Elite af though. I probably won't even agree with her on everything but at the same time, it's one of those persons that makes me sleep better if at the wheel.

"In 1996, a young Sigrid Kaag debated in Buitenhof [quality talk show, same where Bernie was recently] with the Orthodox Jewish writer and journalist Wiesje de Lange. Both were living in Jerusalem at the time, just three kilometers apart from each other [Kaag in east Jerusalem], but they seemed to come from different planets. It was a year after Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was murdered by an ultra-right-wing Jewish extremist in an attempt to sabotage peace with the Palestinians. The right-wing Benjamin Netanyahu began his rise, to the dismay of left-wing Israelis who wondered how there could ever be peace."

In an interview from 1996, Kaag said that Benjamin Netanyahu, who was that year elected prime minister for the first time, does not represent peace-seeking Israelis. She also said the prime minister’s “way is of soundbites with racist, demagogic overtones about the Palestinian peace partner, his Arab peace partner, who are being sidelined.”
yeah she's got balls, and i like it........love to see what she does...
 

CCGNZ

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Now that a top Hamas leader has been wasted in Beirut by a Israeli air strike I'm wondering if Hezbollah will react in the north,also the media is hyping what they call a Iranian destroyer to the Red Sea,the Iranians don't have destroyers,the ship they sent is a corvette/patrol boat looking 70-80's vintage that is about one third the size of a US Burke class destroyer and possesses 10% of the capability if it's lucky. Hope the Iranians aren't baiting us w/a suicide mission,which it surely will be if this boat shows hostile intent. In the overall context,we really don't need things getting HOT directly w/Iran,Biden already has a banquet on his plate.
 

BudmanTX

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Now that a top Hamas leader has been wasted in Beirut by a Israeli air strike I'm wondering if Hezbollah will react in the north,also the media is hyping what they call a Iranian destroyer to the Red Sea,the Iranians don't have destroyers,the ship they sent is a corvette/patrol boat looking 70-80's vintage that is about one third the size of a US Burke class destroyer and possesses 10% of the capability if it's lucky. Hope the Iranians aren't baiting us w/a suicide mission,which it surely will be if this boat shows hostile intent. In the overall context,we really don't need things getting HOT directly w/Iran,Biden already has a banquet on his plate.
actually it's top leaders that were hit in a drone strike on a building, from the looks of it they got 7 of them in that strike. As far a Hezbollah getting into it, i dunno, i do know Lebanon won't put up with it, they have already had a couple of wars with them, and it didn't turn out to good for Beirut and surrounding areas, so i don't think they'll risk it. Iran is just posturing, like they did with Hamas.....as soon as the war started Iran went back into they're hole and said "we didn't know anything"
 

Sativied

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wasn't that the same law that kept BeBe in office?
The trial against Netanyahu is still underway and if convicted he might still be removed and/or get locked up, or he can take his case to court, which is now harder to pack with judges that would side with him instead of reason and ethics. Hearings several times a week after a pause because of the war, but he's exempt for now. It's expected to complete early this year but appeals might take years. By that time he probably won't be PM anymore.
 
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