Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

Well thanks for the heads up I've just now been able to afford the full line of botanicare and especially with the liquid karma it seems that my hanna ppm and ec functions just dont mean shit so I trust in botanicare cause they've never failed me but its hard having done this now for 2 years and having read all the principles of hydro etc then this company comes along and makes it ummmm confusing but fuck it its the tastiest line out there. So I need a meter that reads up to 4000 ppm and a better matrix I guess then "some meters don't do as well in organic nuts" as many other growers have also stated in other forums so I guess I'll keep trucking and keep the faith. Thanks for the fast response:. Much Success

deeweromekoms said:

Dear Mr. Stinkbud,

Is there any reason why one couldn't use the same, say 400W ( or 2 250W, or whatever works best for size), MH lights for the mother, clone as well as veg set up?
So instead of one area w. light for mother, another area w. lights for clone and one more area w. lights for veg, have one big happy room for all above?

So other than less heat and energy usage, is there a distinct advantage to using (T5) fluorescents for any of this?

Perhaps this has been asked, but I was unable find it in those other 530-some pages...(wow!)

Thanks everyone for all your hard work.

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Yeah - you can do that - I did it... T5 lighting is great for everything but the flower room (and even then, enough of em will work great!). It can sometimes be difficult to dial in the right environment for clones, mothers and veg in the same room, is the reason some people don't do it. If you are bringing in Mom's from outdoors or unknown sources, it can be nice to have them in a "quarantined" separate room. You don't want pests from your Mom's in your veg plants that will go into the flower room.

As Aero pointed out, you can eliminate the Moms as Stink does - by taking cuts from your veg plants before they go to the flower room.... so then you just have clones and veg together. I use the same unit for both - so it works well for me. I run the clone and veg units in a 2 x 4 Secret Jardin hut. I run a 2 x 24" standard shop light over the clones, and a T5 4 x 24" 100 watt over the veg unit. I use the same type/size unit for clone and veg, so the light from the T5 spills over to the clones for some additional lumens.

gvega187 said:

yes, before clones are rooted excessive lighting can slow the initiation of rooting.

use a small 2ft 24watt flouro system for clones.

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Kinda had a feeling about that, otherwise someone else would have beat me to this brilliant concept. I'm going place a few clones in light fall-off area, spaced in intervals, and see what happens, just for shits and giggles.
Will keep y'all posted - give me a few weeks..

And thanks for enlighting me (pun intended..

gvega187 said:

how fast do you guys go through this botanicare stuff? Is it concentrated or r u using a 1/4 of a bottle at 3000ppm?

my Milwaukee goes up to 1900 ppm apparently and the more expensive combo meters can reach 4000ppm.

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Too fast! haha - they are not cheap and they design the bottles so you spill about 5$ of it until they are 3/4 full or less!

ahhh! I sensed treachery...

foxfarm "dont bug me" also has this "neat bottle design."

spills harmful bug killer on you as you attempt to spray the bottle upside down (needed for mites and others)


I started adding it to a different bottle and or fogger. The bugs r no more

I love your theory. Would you guys take a look at my journal and tell me if i can do the 3 weeks a pound thangy too?

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/172625-unknown-hydroponics-tube-cfl-grow.html

dagobaker said:

i thought plants breathed in co2 and exhaled oxygen?........been awhile since i took chemistry

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That probably would have been biology but some advanced organic chemistry classes go into it.
Fresh air is not important, CO2 is, and since plants don't use it during the dark period, they actually take in some oxygen, you don't want fresh air because lets say you your system just supplemented 20 minutes before lights out, if you vent a lot of fresh air, you can lose all of that CO2 that will still be there in the morning. Check your sensor, mine is outside the tent so I can see it during lights off and it is usually well above 300ppm before the lights come on in the morning. If I vented fresh air, I would have dropped to 300 and my setup would start supplementation as soon as lights came on and have to replace what I just vented on its way back up to 1500ppm.

pinner420 said:

Well thanks for the heads up I've just now been able to afford the full line of botanicare and especially with the liquid karma it seems that my hanna ppm and ec functions just dont mean shit so I trust in botanicare cause they've never failed me but its hard having done this now for 2 years and having read all the principles of hydro etc then this company comes along and makes it ummmm confusing but fuck it its the tastiest line out there. So I need a meter that reads up to 4000 ppm and a better matrix I guess then "some meters don't do as well in organic nuts" as many other growers have also stated in other forums so I guess I'll keep trucking and keep the faith. Thanks for the fast response:. Much Success

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What are the symptoms of your meter? Are the PPMs and the EC both out of range, or are they giving unstable readings?

Help my seedlings are dieing... the leafs are turning yellow!!

pics are here!!!!!!!

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/185280-stinkbuds-student-system-started-4.html

Previously I started from seed. So clones are new territory for me.

Now I have clones

Question about the rapid rooter plug.

The roots are all over the RR plug. I have tried to peel away as much of the RR as possible. There's no way I can remove all the plug without damaging the roots.

1. Should I just remove what I can from the top of the plug, just enough to fit the collar?

2. Or should I leave the RR plug alone and put a lid on them for now?

The RR sits a little high in the net pots even for a lid. I could manage to take some of the plug off the top.

I don't want to shock the girls

Aeroweed said:

Previously I started from seed. So clones are new territory for me.

Now I have clones

Question about the rapid rooter plug.

The roots are all over the RR plug. I have tried to peel away as much of the RR as possible. There's no way I can remove all the plug without damaging the roots.

1. Should I just remove what I can from the top of the plug, just enough to fit the collar?

2. Or should I leave the RR plug alone and put a lid on them for now?

The RR sits a little high in the net pots even for a lid. I could manage to take some of the plug off the top.

I don't want to shock the girls

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when i got clones from that same spot, i brought em home and peeled off the RR very carefully and tried to save any main main roots as i could... they will be fine.. heres a pic of some of these plants a few weeks later.. Master kush / 91 Chem Dawg and a blueberry somewhere..

Chef


edit: when i say they will be fine, you might lose 1 or 2 but majority will be fine.. only my experience w store bought clones.. but the good thing is from now on u supply ur own..

LionsRoor said:

What are the symptoms of your meter? Are the PPMs and the EC both out of range, or are they giving unstable readings?

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Really nothing I guess but when mixing to the bottles instructions like the original post says it takes the ppm up into the 2800 range; however, hes advocating mixing in one gallon first then bringing up to 1800 or 2000 which is possible to do if your meter only goes to 2000. My test sachels say my meter is grooving nicely so I just have to adapt to the new mix at suggested range I'm not seeing any burning however so I think I'm safe to just roll 1800 on the lighter side of a botanicare run. Its just weird to me that their line bucks conventional wisdom but all they have posted in the FAQs that meters dont read our stuff accurately. I just have to trust their science is that what you've come to as well? Looks like some guys are just turning a blind eye to the ppms and just concentrating on the ph.

Good shit guys. I'm still learning. I have a question. I have a vented 600w HPS with a 6" centrifical inline fan on it. I pull air in from a boarded up window, through the light and out of the ceiling. The roof is A-frame shaped with nothing between roof and ceiling, but insulation. Air is released from the front and back at the end of the eaves. I also have a 4" inline duct fan pulling air from same window into room.
My humidity runs 60% or more regularly. For instance: it 65% in here now and 81degrees.

Do I need to keep the 4" fan pulling fresh air in or push it out to get my humidity down?

thecholochef said:

edit: when i say they will be fine, you might lose 1 or 2 but majority will be fine.. only my experience w store bought clones..

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Thanks Chef!

That's why I bought 12... I figured a couple would not make the journey. I peeled off as much of the RR as I could. There were a ton of roots. There's still a lot of RR inside the net pot. Out of the 12 so far only the Banana Kush and a Purple Urkel look dumpy.

What PPM did you start at after putting them in the cloner? I have them at 340 H2o is distilled.

DIRTHAWKER said:

Hey stink whats your thought on me adding a 400watt metal halide batwing right in the center of my 4 600s?

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How about a 1000W MH instead. Better overall light spectrum and penetration.

Remember, you can never have too much light, only too much heat.

I personally don't care about efficiency because the value of the medicine far outweighs the cost of electricity.

Quality is the most important thing to me now. I don't really care how much stuff costs anymore. I try to find good deals but I never skimp when it comes to quality.

The more light you have, the denser/heavier your buds will be. You will also end up with quality buds over the whole plant and not just on top. Less popcorn.

StinkBud light motto:
Light is Right!

dagobaker said:

i thought plants breathed in co2 and exhaled oxygen?........been awhile since i took chemistry

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I love biology! Your right about plants taking in CO2 and giving off O2.

They take in the CO2 through the stomata on the leaves. A Stoma (stomate) looks like little lips that open and close depending on the environment.

Plants also take in O2 through the roots. That's why Aeroponics works so well. The roots basically are growing in air. They are able to have all the O2 they could ever use. O2 to the roots = explosive growth!

When plants use water (H2O) they take out the Hydrogen and give up the oxygen. That's what we are breathing now.

pinner420 said:

Are you mixing per the ratio's on the labels or is this your own brew? Also you've mixed the nuts in without water is that a good thing?

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I'm using the same formula that was given to me with the first aero system I bought. I've modified a few things.

The formula was given to him from Botanicare. It's basically exactly what Botanicare recommends to take your system to 2900 PPM with an 18 Gal reservoir.

I've had really good luck with Sweet. The flavor is unreal! I've also had success using Botanicare's Grow Pro Veg during the first 3 weeks of flower.

The biggest thing I've discovered has to do with the flush. My last flush was the best yet. 24 hours of Clearex and then water with 450ml of Sweet for a week.

Buds taste sweet, like candy. All my buddies and patients are freakin' out over the taste! You have to experience it to know what I'm taking about...

Sounds like you know whats up with Botanicare cause a meter is useless by their instructions and general hydro notions of 2000 being toxic and all.

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What you need to understand about the PPM is that it's just a reference point. It could be anything to start with. What you have to do is dial in your strains. You start somewhere and slowly start bringing your PPM up.

When you see signs if tip burn you know what your max PPM is and need to bring it down to the last safe number. That's it! You just dialed you your strain.

2000 PPM is a good starting point.

My current strains like 1700PPM but I've had strains that could handle way over 3000 PPM without burning.

Aeroweed said:

Thanks Chef!

That's why I bought 12... I figured a couple would not make the journey. I peeled off as much of the RR as I could. There were a ton of roots. There's still a lot of RR inside the net pot. Out of the 12 so far only the Banana Kush and a Purple Urkel look dumpy.

What PPM did you start at after putting them in the cloner? I have them at 340 H2o is distilled.

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ok first off, i completely removed the RR, even if 1 or 2 nice roots were still there i was happy.. this is a very time taking process.. smoke a doobie b4 u start as u will be there a while.. stuck em in the cloner for about a month.. ( had to wait for flower room to be done in order to move them into veg ) so that pic was on their 1st day of veg.. right now i have em at 1500 ppm, but the blueberry had minor tip burn so 1500 is where they will stay until i can do a seperate run w em.. but for now just stick em in the cloner for a week or two atleast.. until they build a nice root system..

edit: honestly im not sure of the ppm in the cloner.. i used RO water and the suggested amount of clonex solution and its been working great.. but i should go check it..

get the RR and look for the nicest little root system u see, and start peeling around it. try to salvage that one and dont trip about the rest. you WILL have to remove roots in order to get all the RR off..

Chef

deeweromekoms said:

Dear Mr. Stinkbud,

Is there any reason why one couldn't use the same, say 400W ( or 2 250W, or whatever works best for size), MH lights for the mother, clone as well as veg set up?
So instead of one area w. light for mother, another area w. lights for clone and one more area w. lights for veg, have one big happy room for all above?

So other than less heat and energy usage, is there a distinct advantage to using (T5) fluorescents for any of this?

Perhaps this has been asked, but I was unable find it in those other 530-some pages...(wow!)

Thanks everyone for all your hard work.

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Pretty much anything will work for clones. I recommend fluorescents but a low power MH works well too. I've had my clones and veg under the same lights for along time and everything works great.

Some cheap $7 shop lights work great for clones and veg together. 3-4 lights hung right next to each other is a cheap and effective solution.

Put the cloner on an empty container to bring it up to the same height as the veg unit.

Aeroweed said:

Previously I started from seed. So clones are new territory for me.

Now I have clones

Question about the rapid rooter plug.

The roots are all over the RR plug. I have tried to peel away as much of the RR as possible. There's no way I can remove all the plug without damaging the roots.

1. Should I just remove what I can from the top of the plug, just enough to fit the collar?

2. Or should I leave the RR plug alone and put a lid on them for now?

The RR sits a little high in the net pots even for a lid. I could manage to take some of the plug off the top.

I don't want to shock the girls

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I would just leave them in the plugs. Stick the plug into the net pot and put a collar on.

You may want to put a stocking on the pump to catch the smaller pieces of the RR plug.