Has Anyone Ever Used Liquid Calcium Carbonate or This Company?

Cpappa27

Cpappa27

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Ive been looking into different forms of Calcium. Sometimes my plants are already maxed out on Nitrogen and the Calcium Nitrate in the Calimagic sets them over the edge. This one here looks good, has anyone used this form of calcium? Its a liquid lime fertilizer. My other option is calcium chloride I believe.


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rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Cpappa27 said:
Ill check it out. What do you think of that stuff above? You think Calcium Carbonate would raise the PH too much too quick ?
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good question. i have no idea.

i "think" the CES stuff is for hydro and soil. from the label of your bottle, it says soil or foliar so not sure how/if it would in hydro
 
Cpappa27

Cpappa27

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rkymtnman said:
good question. i have no idea.

i "think" the CES stuff is for hydro and soil. from the label of your bottle, it says soil or foliar so not sure how/if it would in hydro
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I am thinking of using it in soil. Im going to get it and try it on some tomatoes and see how they react to it. Might be a nice additive for when the plants are already maxed out on salts. Might even use it in the sand grow I have going in the other thread. Actually I think calcium carbonate the carbonate is a salt of carbonic acid? Im not sure I'll have to read into it some more but the price is right for a gallon so ill give it a shot.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Cpappa27 said:
I am thinking of using it in soil. Im going to get it and try it on some tomatoes and see how they react to it. Might be a nice additive for when the plants are already maxed out on salts. Might even use it in the sand grow I have going in the other thread. Actually I think calcium carbonate the carbonate is a salt of carbonic acid? Im not sure I'll have to read into it some more but the price is right for a gallon so ill give it a shot.
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do you use RO? or tap/well? even tap from a municipal source should have some CaCO3 in it i would think.

if you are using it soil, couldn't you get a powdered lime source? dolomite or soemthing like that?
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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All plants absorb chloride almost immediately. High concentrations of chloride obviously block absorption of some other nutrients. Calcium sulfate is suggested for hydroponics I do believe. Calcium carbonate does not stay in suspension well. You’ll produce sediments in your solution.

Like the scale hard water leaves.
 
Billy the Mountain

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Cpappa27 said:
Ive been looking into different forms of Calcium. Sometimes my plants are already maxed out on Nitrogen and the Calcium Nitrate in the Calimagic sets them over the edge. This one here looks good, has anyone used this form of calcium? Its a liquid lime fertilizer. My other option is calcium chloride I believe
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CalMagic is only 1% Nitrogen, or 3 ppm N per ml/Gal. That's not enough to worry about nor cause any Nitrogen toxicity.

The Biomin stuff is Calcium Carbonate. As mentioned, CaC03 is not an ideal source of Calcium. Its low solubility limits its availability to plants.

Calcium Sulfate is a much better choice if you want Ca without any N. It's a few orders of magnitude more soluble than CaC03.
 
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ShowMeDaBudz

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A kilo bag of calcium acetate is under $30 at Bulk Supplements. Dissolves easily in water. They have an Amazon store too.
www.bulksupplements.com

Calcium Acetate

What is Calcium Acetate? Calcium acetate is a calcium salt that has many unique uses ranging from a dietary supplement to a food stabilizer commonly used in candy. It can be made by soaking calcium carbonate (which can be found in eggshells or limestone) in vinegar and commonly forms into white...
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Cpappa27

Cpappa27

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hotrodharley said:
All plants absorb chloride almost immediately. High concentrations of chloride obviously block absorption of some other nutrients. Calcium sulfate is suggested for hydroponics I do believe. Calcium carbonate does not stay in suspension well. You’ll produce sediments in your solution.

Like the scale hard water leaves.
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Billy the Mountain said:
CalMagic is only 1% Nitrogen, or 3 ppm N per ml/Gal. That's not enough to worry about nor cause any Nitrogen toxicity.

The Biomin stuff is Calcium Carbonate. As mentioned, CaC03 is not an ideal source of Calcium. Its low solubility limits its availability to plants.

Calcium Sulfate is a much better choice if you want Ca without any N. It's a few orders of magnitude more soluble than CaC03.
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Thank you. After doing more reading I was leaning more towards the sulfate or the chloride.

I didnt know if it was just as bioavailable as the other liquid forms. They say its an amino acid chelated form of limestone. It sounded good since I do like using Dolomite lime in all my mixes figured its a more bioavailable form than top dressing mid grow. Im wondering if its geared more towards a quick calcium fix for organic? I wonder if that specific fertilizer would be considered organic?
 
Cpappa27

Cpappa27

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ShowMeDaBudz said:
A kilo bag of calcium acetate is under $30 at Bulk Supplements. Dissolves easily in water. They have an Amazon store too.
www.bulksupplements.com

Calcium Acetate

What is Calcium Acetate? Calcium acetate is a calcium salt that has many unique uses ranging from a dietary supplement to a food stabilizer commonly used in candy. It can be made by soaking calcium carbonate (which can be found in eggshells or limestone) in vinegar and commonly forms into white...
www.bulksupplements.com www.bulksupplements.com
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Very nice thank you, I learn something new everyday

Calcium acetate is a soluble form of calcium. The acetate is an organic molecule that is easily decomposed by microbes leaving the calcium free for plants. This is sound chemistry and can be used to provide calcium for plants. If you also add Epsom salts you create a Cal-Mag mixture
 
7CardBud

7CardBud

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I know Miller Chemical makes a Calcium Chelate EDTA 9.7%. Another member also recently mentioned the possibility of using calcium acetate.
 
Cpappa27

Cpappa27

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ShowMeDaBudz said:
Funny thing about calcium acetate.....If you sell it as a supplement its cheap but its the exact same stuff thats in Phoslo that sells for way more in Rx form.
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Its usually how it goes. Kinda like rockwool cubes you buy 100 cubes for 20 bucks when you can buy sheets of rockwool for insulation for 1/10 of the price.
 
7CardBud

7CardBud

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Cpappa27 said:
Its usually how it goes. Kinda like rockwool cubes you buy 100 cubes for 20 bucks when you can buy sheets of rockwool for insulation for 1/10 of the price.
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Enzyme treatment is another one. The stuff marketed for plant use is watered down 10X and cost 10X more than the product marketed for septic use.
 
7CardBud

7CardBud

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They are all the same enzymes, they may be in in slightly different proportions. You could also buy separate enzymes like Protease, Lipase, Amylase Cellulase, Carbohydrase and make your own sauce.
 
Cpappa27

Cpappa27

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7CardBud said:
They are all the same enzymes, they may be in in slightly different proportions. You could also buy separate enzymes like Protease, Lipase, Amylase Cellulase, Carbohydrase and make your own sauce.
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No shit thats interesting. Thank you for that.
 
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ShowMeDaBudz

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Bulk Supplements also has Mag is several forms. Acetates and Citrates should all be water soluble and readily available to plants. Sure you can use Magnesium Sulfate but if you want to avoid the additional sulfur you have at least 2 other better choices.

Products like CalMag normally use "nitrate" versions of Calcium and Magnesium. So they add some nitrogen and tend to build up salts worse than acetates. Gypsum iirc will lower your pH.

With a couple products from Bulk Sup, you can easily make a better "Cal Mag" because you are only getting the nutrients you want and less effect on pH.
 
Cpappa27

Cpappa27

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ShowMeDaBudz said:
Bulk Supplements also has Mag is several forms. Acetates and Citrates should all be water soluble and readily available to plants. Sure you can use Magnesium Sulfate but if you want to avoid the additional sulfur you have at least 2 other better choices.

Products like CalMag normally use "nitrate" versions of Calcium and Magnesium. So they add some nitrogen and tend to build up salts worse than acetates. Gypsum iirc will lower your pH.

With a couple products from Bulk Sup, you can easily make a better "Cal Mag" because you are only getting the nutrients you want and less effect on pH.
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Very cool. I also wonder if MSM Methylsulfonomethane or something like that, its a naturally derived sulfur supplement made from plants. I wonder if this can be used as a sulfur feed.
 
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