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Has anyone tried other malts?

Discussion in 'Organics' started by DonBrennon, Apr 9, 2016.

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    DonBrennon

    DonBrennon Well-Known Member

    I'm looking at brewers suppliers online for malted barley and I've found that there are other malted grains available. eg, rye or wheat

    Has anyone tried, or heard of anybody trying other malts?

    I'd suppose you'd be getting a different profile of enzymes from different seeds, like in SST's?

    would malting your own seeds which aren't available as malts, pulverizing them and topdressing be as good as sst?
     
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    BigDoobie

    BigDoobie Member

    Corn would be the next in line that I know of, haven't tried it myself yet.
     
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    Olive Drab Green

    Olive Drab Green Well-Known Member

    Try coconut water.
     
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    mr sunshine

    mr sunshine Well-Known Member

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    DonBrennon

    DonBrennon Well-Known Member

    Hahaha, I prefer a good blend
     
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    DonBrennon

    DonBrennon Well-Known Member

    I actually typed malted corn in google and found a method for malting it, might be worth giving it a go, maybe with alfalfa too.
     
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    DonBrennon

    DonBrennon Well-Known Member

    Sadly fresh young coconuts just aren't available where I am, I do use a bottled product on occasion, which I also drink and is 100% coconut water, but don't feel I'm getting the full enzyme benefits of fresh, just a good mix of nutes. Plus you are limiting your enzymes and growth hormones if you only use coconut water as well as the high potassium content which if you use regularly will cause you lockout issues
     
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    Olive Drab Green

    Olive Drab Green Well-Known Member

    Just saying it's got its uses.
     
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    testiclees

    testiclees Well-Known Member

    I think the differences in the enzyme profiles of grains would be about the same as in fresh seed. I dont think it would matter too much. Fresh sst seems to wrork about the same with the different seeds ive tried.

    There is a sst thread at the logical gardener. Coot who is a SST guru posts there. You could ask there.

    https://www.logicalgardener.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=114&hilit=Malt
     
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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member

    I started to malt corn seeds using a dehydrator. But I found a source locally of malted barley seed from a beer supply store. It's cheaper than I was getting the corn seed for.
     
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    BigDoobie

    BigDoobie Member

    Is 2 row barley just as good as the 6 row?
     
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    Yodaweed

    Yodaweed Well-Known Member

    If you could get malted hemp seeds that would be the best.
     
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    BigDoobie

    BigDoobie Member

    I'm pretty sure CC said he tried hemp seeds and there isn't much of a difference.
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Any other thoughts on hemp seeds?

    and @DonBrennon how have your trials been treating ya, brother, on the sst front.

    I know you must be busy as hell, but any learnings or findings to share?

    Hope you're well!
    Don

    ps, if anyone has any pics, I would love to see!
     
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    DonBrennon

    DonBrennon Well-Known Member

    Hope you're doing well too DT...........................the main thing I found out was that the hemp seed I'd purchased had been treated somehow and wouldn't fecking germinate, LMAO

    I've gone to topdressing the MBP and couldn't really give any insight into it's benefits in my system yet, because my last run was pretty poor to be fair. I think my issues were down to under-watering, letting my media get too dry and not having the microorganisms to cycle the nutes properly. Multiple deficiencies and never particularly happy. I've gone to DIY SIP's to try to combat this problem and they seem to be doing well so far.

    Shit - Mr Nice seeds, been down a week and went into jars last night IMG_1015.JPG IMG_1019.JPG
     
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    RandomHero8913

    RandomHero8913 Well-Known Member

    I got a few samples of malted Millet in various roasted forms. I don’t have enough plants going in separate pots to see if they make a difference, so I just combined the malted barley, rye, and millet, and I use that mix for my topdress.
     
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    calliandra

    calliandra Well-Known Member

    Isn't it fun when you google stuff and get pointed back to RIU haha
    I've been looking into this myself these days ;)
    Actually yes!

    From my reading of the past days I am pretty certain it doesn't matter overmuch for the common growth enzymes what seeds one germinates.

    The seed also starts putting out exudates to culture the appropriate set of microbes it needs even before it is even sprouted AND will also be carrier of these microbes if it was grown organically itself (depending on the crop, this soil prep can start up to 2 weeks before germination! This btw totally speaks for germinating our seeds directly in the soil they're to grow in, and supports the application of mycos directly to the seed too ;) )
    So germinating seeds that are successionally close to the crop we're growing will bring the additional benefit of these processes having started already, in a direction that is supportive of the specific plant's growth.
    I haven't found whether this actually impacts plant growth in a measurable way however - definitely something to look into once I've gotten my soils stabilized... :D

    Most definitely we can safely assume that seeds from the same successional group will have very similar profiles. So at least we needn't obsess about different varieties of grass grains - wheat, rye, barley, oats will all be very similar. Cannabis being a mycorrhizal annual, it will benefit more from the successional stages of grasses and most of our veggies. So sprouting, say, pumpkin seeds, will give us more of a match from the point of view of microbial prep than mustards or brassica.

    What I was actually looking to find out is whether there is a difference between "malted" and "just freshly sprouted" grains in terms of composition.
    Haven't found an answer to that - whereby my logical theory is, fresh is better, because alive? And malted powder form, very convenient (once the painful sourcing phase is successfully mastered lol) and ready to go anytime haha
    Sprouting some rye as we speak :bigjoint:
     
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    J-Icky

    J-Icky Active Member

    I couldn’t find barley seeds or malt locally but got 5 lbs of red wheat from a local feed store. Can’t say how they would compare to barley but they seemed to help the habanero plants do better than the ones that didn’t get any. I also have used corn, got a bag of organic mixed popcorn(red yellow and blue) and that also seemed to help all the other plants in my garden.

    There were only 4 total habanero plants and none got corn and 2 got red wheat and 2 didn’t as I wanted to see if it would help, but also wanted to make sure there wouldn’t be any negative consequences.

    But there’s a podcast with coot where he says any of the malted grains will work fine and there’s one, I wanna say rye, that especially will help with phosphorus uptake.
     
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    Yodaweed

    Yodaweed Well-Known Member

    Try stores that do DIY home brew beer, they sell barley. Good luck.
     
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    J-Icky

    J-Icky Active Member

    Sadly the closest is over an hour away so not very practical, I’ve looked everywhere too. Feed stores, organic markets health food stores, and liked online and drove around looking for places that may not be online. No barley unless I want to drive over an hour which kills my method of lowest impact on the environment. Plus I can get the corn and wheat 5 min away and the wheat will do close to the same thing
     
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