theexpress
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lol@bromance.....,.
Hawaii Growers
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Sheckster
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Here is my latest breeding experiment..
Abusive Fire- in reference to two distinct Og cuts circulating in the Cali area... The mom is the Og Fire that I have been sharing in this thread the last few months.. The father is abusive cut, from a clone that was hit with colloidal silver..... The desired traits I was looking for were the structure and smell of the OG fire, and the potency and higher yield of the Abusive cut...
So far this specimen has the structure, smell, and higher yield that I was hoping for... lets just hope it got some of the abusive strength in the same vein as the abusive OG/Kona Gold !!
Right now I am looking for a Tahoe og male (true male) or most importantly.. the pollen
I would love to create the ultimate og using the top 3 (in my opinion of course).... Then it would be called ATF Og
Here is the AF og..
Abusive Fire- in reference to two distinct Og cuts circulating in the Cali area... The mom is the Og Fire that I have been sharing in this thread the last few months.. The father is abusive cut, from a clone that was hit with colloidal silver..... The desired traits I was looking for were the structure and smell of the OG fire, and the potency and higher yield of the Abusive cut...
So far this specimen has the structure, smell, and higher yield that I was hoping for... lets just hope it got some of the abusive strength in the same vein as the abusive OG/Kona Gold !!
Right now I am looking for a Tahoe og male (true male) or most importantly.. the pollen
I would love to create the ultimate og using the top 3 (in my opinion of course).... Then it would be called ATF Og
Here is the AF og..
Sheckster
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It's okay... Doc has bromanced most of this forum...
We know he will toss you out like fan leaves just like the rest of us...
Sorry Doc, I know you don't throw out your fan leaves but it was the only analogy I could think of that was ganja related!
Sheckster
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I am a big Master Kush fan... you know from whom it came from?? (besides one unclesup chi.. some femmed masterkush is next up to bat.and maybe a few others
.... Is it SoCal Master?Tunda traded me some clones awhile back... Gave me this Master (it was seed grown methinks)from White Label...
It definitely looks like the lowland x highland pure indica versions of MK I have seen as opposed to the SoCal Master..
If it turns out cherry I plan on making some feminized beans of it
... The plant on the immediate right is AF Og and to the right of that (mostly out of frame) is some God's Gift that smells more GDP than lemony
Dr. Greenhorn
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It's from a friend in the mainland. I'll go ask and find out where he got it from and I'll get back to you Sheckster.
Ok... Hawaii... I've read this whole thread in the last few days trying to soak in how HI growers throw down. First of all, i want to give a shot out to all you keeping this thread alive, the aloha spirit is rock solid. Great information on this site.., even though as I reading thru da thread... I wanted to pull my hair out sometimes. But then again, sometimes I couldn't help but to laugh. And the awesome pics just made me lite one up all the time! So thanks for all the pics.
First time growing for me... I've been reading a shit storm... read a couple of books posted on this thread... great books. But I still have questions I hope some can spread the aloha spirit and help me grow!!!
I gotta go outdoors, no choice for me, but I have a shit load of land so some of the issues growing outdoors are not much of a concern. But my questions for now are specifically about the all year growing season in HI. Sunrise/Sunset cycles are pretty much the same in my neck of the woods, from reading through the thread it seems HI germ all year long.
Without the use of indoor lights, how are ya keeping these plants vegging outdoors given the slightly shorter sun cycle in short season? more importantly, how are they transitioning from veg to flower under these lighting conditions?
First time growing for me... I've been reading a shit storm... read a couple of books posted on this thread... great books. But I still have questions
I hope some can spread the aloha spirit and help me grow!!!I gotta go outdoors, no choice for me, but I have a shit load of land so some of the issues growing outdoors are not much of a concern. But my questions for now are specifically about the all year growing season in HI. Sunrise/Sunset cycles are pretty much the same in my neck of the woods, from reading through the thread it seems HI germ all year long.
Without the use of indoor lights, how are ya keeping these plants vegging outdoors given the slightly shorter sun cycle in short season? more importantly, how are they transitioning from veg to flower under these lighting conditions?
bagada
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correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure the only way to grow a bigger plant outdoor in the tropics is to grow a PURE sativa. Even if there is a little bit of indica in there it will flower too early and you will end up with a lollipop. If you want to grow other HYBRID strains, which is pretty much 99% of the seeds that companies sell, you need to veg indoors. Or you could grow outdoors with "supplemental" lighting, just to KEEP the plants in veg.
Sheckster
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Anything you grow outside of long season will be smaller than growing during long season...
A few reasons:
During short season... the amount of light per day is much less than during our summer months..
Also during the short season, the angle of the sun is much farther towards the south so there is much less direct light ....
If you start a seed, it still has to mature in the veg state at least 6 weeks and that is hard to manage during short season since there is less energy available...
If you start from clone, you don't have to veg any amount of time if you don't want to... The clone is the relative age of the plant it was cloned from...
I don't think you can clone ganja in outdoor conditions and still get a good outcome.. I believe 18 hours under CFL or comparable light would be sufficient for clones.. then outdoors when ready..
A few reasons:
During short season... the amount of light per day is much less than during our summer months..
Also during the short season, the angle of the sun is much farther towards the south so there is much less direct light ....
If you start a seed, it still has to mature in the veg state at least 6 weeks and that is hard to manage during short season since there is less energy available...
If you start from clone, you don't have to veg any amount of time if you don't want to... The clone is the relative age of the plant it was cloned from...
I don't think you can clone ganja in outdoor conditions and still get a good outcome.. I believe 18 hours under CFL or comparable light would be sufficient for clones.. then outdoors when ready..
808toker
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is there ANY way that i can get my hands on a Fire OG? ive smoked that before and that is an amazing strain...and the plant itself is pretty interesting from what i saw in pictures. the way the leaves point up and the buds look so dank! haha if you could point me in the direction of a way i could get my hands on it would be VERY appreciated...Mahalos!Here is my latest breeding experiment..
Abusive Fire- in reference to two distinct Og cuts circulating in the Cali area... The mom is the Og Fire that I have been sharing in this thread the last few months.. The father is abusive cut, from a clone that was hit with colloidal silver..... The desired traits I was looking for were the structure and smell of the OG fire, and the potency and higher yield of the Abusive cut...
So far this specimen has the structure, smell, and higher yield that I was hoping for... lets just hope it got some of the abusive strength in the same vein as the abusive OG/Kona Gold !!
Right now I am looking for a Tahoe og male (true male) or most importantly.. the pollen
I would love to create the ultimate og using the top 3 (in my opinion of course).... Then it would be called ATF Og
Here is the AF og..
Sheckster
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Well Fire Og is clone-only... The way I got it is kinda a long story hehe..
My buddy got two 10-packs of Raskal Fire og x SFV og by Cali Connection from a dispensary... The seeds ended up having a starch deficiency so none of them popped.. My best pal ran 10 and I ran 5, then scarified the next 3... None of them popped.... I finally sent two to a friend who has access to a full genomics lab in the bay area...
I talked to the breeder and tried to get a refund for my friend who had made the purchase for both of our collections.. The breeder (swerve) ended up being too busy with a cup entry (last nov).. and he never came through on his promise of a refund to my friend... especially after the dispensary treated my friend (100% disabled vet) like shit when he told them about the seeds... Other people eventually started posting about problems with the dispensary and their seeds...
I contacted a friend who was a major player in the dispensary/grower scene and he told me not to worry about it... About a month later I got a lame justin bieber t-shirt in the mail and inside were 5 seeds... He told me that they were Fem seeds from Raskals fire og clone that someone used silver thiosulfate to cross (they weren't supposed to)
I have no way to prove that this was the OG fire of legend.. but the friend that gave it to me is hardly the type to BS... I could really care less as whatever he gave me is by far the best Og plant structure that I have played with.. I will let you know how this cross of Fire and Abusive turns out... if it is a keeper I would not mind trading
Here is a night photo AF Og with shot with flash... it helps accentuate the resin
Here is a teaser shot of Mosca's Sonic Fly (c99 x unknown indica).. He has it entered in the Cup in November..
The smell is ripe pineapple.. The hairs you see are like 4 times bigger than the ones on all my other plants..
tardis
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Ahh man, was checking trichomes tonight, and saw in my fattest indica looking plant which will probly finish first (an indica leaning Red Dragon by barneys farm) I saw little white bug crawling around (with 60x microscope. tiny buggah white, i think its spidermite) . I opened the top buds and under a couple when pulled back from stem I saw all hairs are dark red inside, not black mold looking, but waaay to red to be healthy. Are my plants fuct? Luckily this is the only indica looking one with a big unopened nugs. I avoid those plants cause of our humidity and mold. Also 2 days ago I noticed this plant only the leaves were kinda drooping while all other plants leaves were reaching up to the sky. I think i'm harvesting that plant next week until its pau, so what do you think? am i fuct? should I chop it now (its milky with slight amber but not much amber at all, and it is my indica pheno)? Or should i trash em (it looks 95% healthy)? I dunno i'm a n00b, any ideas? (still plenty frosting inside nugs tho)
tardis
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OH yeah these are outdoor. Tiny 2 foot plants because I never vegged, just stuck seed in pots in end of june. Also as you know it was real rainy few days ago, POURING. and the little buggah i saw was glow in the dark white, like piece of rice with legs crawling around. couldn't find another tho anywhere. but my plants on the OTHER end now I notice they get some holes in the leaves. big round holes on top of some tiny leaves.... Now these plants some will be chopped in a week, some in as much as 3 weeks from now. SHould I just let em go or should I treat em? My instincts tell me just let it go and watch closely for emergency needs..... but i dunno, you guys most likely know better.
Mahalo
Sheckster
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You just need to turn all your leaves upside down and check the bottoms..
Most parasitic bugs that like to suck the juices out of plants tend to hide on the underside of the leaves, out of the sunlight..
As far as the hairs being red... sounds like that bud just got shocked somehow... if it spreads, then cut the affected area out...
If it is inside the bud it may be a caterpillar hiding in there...
Most parasitic bugs that like to suck the juices out of plants tend to hide on the underside of the leaves, out of the sunlight..
As far as the hairs being red... sounds like that bud just got shocked somehow... if it spreads, then cut the affected area out...
If it is inside the bud it may be a caterpillar hiding in there...
tardis
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I'm gonna have to cut some buds off then... thought so. this is why I never grow a pure indica (this is just a hybrid that led indica, its sister looks very sativa)
808toker
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Thats F'ed up about those seeds sorry to hear about that...but whatever strain that is looks close enough! haha defiantly let me know how that AF Og turns outWell Fire Og is clone-only... The way I got it is kinda a long story hehe..
My buddy got two 10-packs of Raskal Fire og x SFV og by Cali Connection from a dispensary... The seeds ended up having a starch deficiency so none of them popped.. My best pal ran 10 and I ran 5, then scarified the next 3... None of them popped.... I finally sent two to a friend who has access to a full genomics lab in the bay area...
I talked to the breeder and tried to get a refund for my friend who had made the purchase for both of our collections.. The breeder (swerve) ended up being too busy with a cup entry (last nov).. and he never came through on his promise of a refund to my friend... especially after the dispensary treated my friend (100% disabled vet) like shit when he told them about the seeds... Other people eventually started posting about problems with the dispensary and their seeds...
I contacted a friend who was a major player in the dispensary/grower scene and he told me not to worry about it... About a month later I got a lame justin bieber t-shirt in the mail and inside were 5 seeds... He told me that they were Fem seeds from Raskals fire og clone that someone used silver thiosulfate to cross (they weren't supposed to)
I have no way to prove that this was the OG fire of legend.. but the friend that gave it to me is hardly the type to BS... I could really care less as whatever he gave me is by far the best Og plant structure that I have played with.. I will let you know how this cross of Fire and Abusive turns out... if it is a keeper I would not mind trading
Here is a night photo AF Og with shot with flash... it helps accentuate the resin
Here is a teaser shot of Mosca's Sonic Fly (c99 x unknown indica).. He has it entered in the Cup in November..
The smell is ripe pineapple.. The hairs you see are like 4 times bigger than the ones on all my other plants..
Yeah... it appears that I would have to stay within the Sativa's for my application. Thank you for the strains and will pick up some seeds of these noted. Any other strains for outdoors that people have tasted and are a must would be greatly appreciated if mentioned.
In regards to short season(s), i take it that the chances are slim to grow outdoors without starting indoors (clones or lights)? I have the understanding that mj needs a minimum of 14 hrs of light to stay in veg, not sure if this holds tru in HI or in the great outdoors, but the only way to meet these minimums outside of summer is inside? Correct me if I'm wrong, please. So the only way to take advantage of sunlight cycles outside of summer hours in the island is vegging the babies inside first, then move them outside to flower? Hold tru with all strains?
Sheckster... that looks soooo good! Enjoy!
In regards to short season(s), i take it that the chances are slim to grow outdoors without starting indoors (clones or lights)? I have the understanding that mj needs a minimum of 14 hrs of light to stay in veg, not sure if this holds tru in HI or in the great outdoors, but the only way to meet these minimums outside of summer is inside? Correct me if I'm wrong, please. So the only way to take advantage of sunlight cycles outside of summer hours in the island is vegging the babies inside first, then move them outside to flower? Hold tru with all strains?
Sheckster... that looks soooo good! Enjoy!
Sheckster
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I would go with 18 hours for vegging.. that way when you move them outside they will react to the change in light faster...
You could go with a couple compact flourescents .. For example a 65W cfl is equivalent to 300W... It will cost about 7-10 per month to run it 18hours/day.. all month..
So 2 would be about 15-20 month....... That is definitely reasonable compared to 100+/month for specialty lights like halides etc
You may need an equatorial sativa if you intend to grow only outdoors... I would suggest doing some more research before committing to your strains..
You could go with a couple compact flourescents .. For example a 65W cfl is equivalent to 300W... It will cost about 7-10 per month to run it 18hours/day.. all month..
So 2 would be about 15-20 month....... That is definitely reasonable compared to 100+/month for specialty lights like halides etc
You may need an equatorial sativa if you intend to grow only outdoors... I would suggest doing some more research before committing to your strains..
Thank you for da advice... I jumped the gun with my first batch, but oh well... I'm gonna go with it anyways... got some purple power, early misty, and afghan for my first try. I've been researching more strains and it seems there are better buds to grow near equator... anybody deal with paradise seeds before?
How long under lights to veg?
Gotta farm way out.. don't even have electricity yet (just a generator), next year I'm putting in a hyrdoelectric turbine so I can some electricity Until then, i was just going to throw them outside see what they do!!!
How long under lights to veg?
Gotta farm way out.. don't even have electricity yet (just a generator), next year I'm putting in a hyrdoelectric turbine so I can some electricity
Until then, i was just going to throw them outside see what they do!!!