Hayduke's Seldom Seen Garden

theloadeddragon said:

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Welcome Dragon Dude!

The high pH was too much for the HB and KT clones at 7 weeks in flower. They were stressed into finishing faster I guess as the trichs were mostly cloudy with an amber here and there, so the smoke may still be really good. Looks nice, but only got 2 waterings for the flush. Not much transpiration takes place without the foilage, so may not taste good, and if so will go to hash.

Interestingly the pH massacre hit the older plants harder. The Ak's recovered and 2 other HB's had minimal damage witht the older of the two being far worse. The last headband re-veg was actually older @ 8 weeks and showed no additional damage (thrip and pyrethrum damage from early flower) from the high pH. I was trying to understand why: I remember that I used a fairly coarse Ag Lime (dolomite lime) mixed with the Fox Farm OF soil to buffer pH to 7...while I would not use this again, it may have saved this girl which is nice as the reveg plants are old and yield heavily compared to her clones.

Two Ak-48's from seed went into the flower box to replace the culled 7week clones. One KT that was at 5 weeks and made a slight recovery...she was scraggly anyhow and will give maybe only a half, but it is strong smoke. The sister clone of the HB that just came out early is about 4 weeks. She was tied down and vegged while her sister went to flower and will be near 2oz...if I do not kill her. The fifth flowering girl is another HB clone which has been LST'd into a short multi topped bush without topping. This strain really seems to like the attention, while the KT is bitching about being trained...prissy bitch....really a crappy plant in general, but her smoke is FINE!!!! Several slow to root KT clones are in the veg box and 2 of each Ak and a couple HB clones are close to showing roots. If the AK is strong smoke I will be stoked cuz they are beautiful and strong plants.

46g's of HB are smokable now after 2 weeks cure (though better in 4).

A little over an oz of Red Diesel (the last one) went in jars last weekend. It was hermmied and I has a couple of seeds. Probably will be cooked or hashed. 1 KT in paper, 2 HB hanging. Ak/HB flower pics and harvest pics by Sat.

wish my perpetual harvest didn't take such a hit due to spidermites over the winter ..... otherwise I would be about where your at..... or something like that....

theloadeddragon said:

wish my perpetual harvest didn't take such a hit due to spidermites over the winter ..... otherwise I would be about where your at..... or something like that....

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Damn that sucks...I have the usual fungus gnats (not for long! Predatory nematodes are going to work in the morning) and I have had thrips (The todes again) Luckily (knock on wood) the spider mites stayed outside on the hops last year...but I got another 1500 ladybugs yesterday, so I am ready for the little bastards, and my beetles are hungry!

First pic is of the cuttings taken off both Ak-48's (2 ea.) before they went to flower, as well as 3 Headbands.

Next pic is of rooted K-Train babies, one has started some LST. These things are poor rooters, I need some beneficial bacteria/fungi.

On that note: the whole garden got a light top watering with ~250,000 predatory nematodes. These are predators of soil dwelling insects...Fungus gnat and thrips larvae...The Terminators have arrived! A new batch of hungry Ladybugs have also been added for above soil duty.

The third pic is of a Headband clone that got to big in veg and I was going to chop her, but decided to tie her down heavily to see how she responded and then take a cutting or two and kill her (height is a limiting factor because of the box, as well as penetration of the 4 Hunny). Well she looked pretty good after the bondage (headbands are kinky little bitches that like to be tied down) so I threw her into flower 4 weeks ago today.

Pics 4 and 5 are of the same Headband clone that was LST'd soon after rooting. Day 12 of flower.

Pics 6 & 7 are Ak-48 from seed #1, Pics 8 & 9 are of #2...both girls are 1 week in flower. They were put into flower as nice bushy tight inter nodal length 14" girlies that were transplanted the week before into their final pot. They have stretched/grown an inch a day in flower and are now 21-22".

Pic 10 is of the flower box. The angle of the pic makes it look like the 4 week headband in front is in the box...it is not it is just outside. Also there is a scraggly K-train clone that survived the pH issue (barely) in the back left corner; she is @ week 6.

Pic 11 is the last RD flowered for 11 weeks. This strain is not very potent as grown by me at least, though this one is still in cure so we will see, it is better than her mother as she was flowered longer in spite of her bisexuality. A few seeds from self pollination...I will germinate for the sake of science. The buds will most likely be used for hashish or Cannabutter.

Pic 12 is the 2nd Headband Zombie (re-veg) been in the jar for ~3 weeks, and is what I am currently smoking...which reminds me...I am going to add some kief to my bowl, as I am drinking a strong coffee (I do not usually do coffee dope), so the added THC may not knock me out, an herbal speed ball if you will....be right back...ooooh very nice!!!

The last pic is is of a K-Train that I had to cut @ 7 weeks after the pH disaster @ 6 weeks. Not much flush as she lost all her foliage so we will see about taste, but her trichs were cloudy with an amber here and there, and that is how I like it. I am chronically sleep deprived so I do not want to just fall asleep right after smoking every time.

Ak-48 #2 was cut today as she was a he. Glad I labeled the clones, they also are in the can...keeping my fingers crossed on #1 and the 2 clones.

The KT clones are rooting well and started LST today. The flower box is down to 4 girls...I wish I had something ready for flower!

I know how you feel. I hit this problem in December January and February!!! Finally got things kicked off though...... looks like your not going to have to wait so long ....... herb looks great bro..... I really enjoy your journal.... wordy, but excellent!

theloadeddragon said:

I know how you feel. I hit this problem in December January and February!!! Finally got things kicked off though...... looks like your not going to have to wait so long ....... herb looks great bro..... I really enjoy your journal.... wordy, but excellent!

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Thanks dude...I could never "twitter".

Looks like the AK #1 is still looking female. LST of the K-train going well, they are rooting better than previous cuttings. Two headbands in need of manicure and cure...should have done it yesterday and it won't all get done tonight.

I got some "Great White" to use for veg. The LST seems to be going good for the K-train, and the addition of the mycorhizae should help develop a nice big root system, and help boost the K-train yield. This strain seems to like to stretch and is not an aggressive rooter. LST also seems to be the best for the Headband, with the newest clone, bushed out and 8" shorter than her mom who was tied back late. I have not killed the 1 Ak-48...yet...be patient.

http://www.4hydroponics.com/nutrients/greatWhite.asp

First two pics are a K-train in LST, will go into flower in 1-2 weeks

Next is the veg box, and a Headband that was LST'd from clone...now 4 weeks in flower.
The 5th pic is the AK-48 which I have not killed yet. Bent over the top last night as she was getting too tall @ 3 weeks in flower.

Pic 6-12 are a Headband clone @ 6 weeks in flower

13-15 are cured bud

Current nutes: 5gal RO water + 1 Gal casting/hume oil tea. 1 tsp/gal Liquid Karma, 1 tsp/gal Cal-Mag Plus. To this base I am using 1/2 strength Fox Farm (Grow Big, Big Bloom, Tiger Bloom) from the chart including the 3 solubles (open seseme, beastie bloomz, and cha-ching). Also just started using 1/4tsp/gal Great White beasties as the SPT has been doing strange things with pH. ppm 800-1200 pH 6.0.

hey there hayduke.very nice setup you have there and some lovely ladies,interested in the k-train and how that turns out.

how do you find the LST technique and does it increase your yeild?do you grow from seed or clone?

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/122840-multi-strain-grow-journal.html

drifter1978 said:

hey there hayduke.very nice setup you have there and some lovely ladies,interested in the k-train and how that turns out.

how do you find the LST technique and does it increase your yeild?do you grow from seed or clone?

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/122840-multi-strain-grow-journal.html

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The K-train is VERY stoney. The sativa high make my heart palpitate sometimes...crazy. It is not a very strong plant though (not much Kush influence, if any) I think LST will be helpful with these. I grew large re-vegged clones (2) flower and one kept as a mom. I have finished 2 of her clones, but they are very leggy and so far can only get the usual 1-1 1/2 zips. If nothing else the LST seems good for controlling height as it and the 400 seem to be the limiting factors.

Generally I grow from clone, but the Red diesel was started as seed (gone...it is lame) and I have an AK-48 from seed. I am too cheap to not clone. As for yield, I just harvested a headband clone a couple of weeks ago that had a bad pH issue and was cut at 7 weeks. I also cut a revegged larger, older plant that went 9 weeks...the 7week untrained clone was 2 g's heavier. The actual answer on yield is still not fixed for me yet, I am working on it.

The LST headband which is 4 weeks in flower is the right height for my box and her flowers seen to be nicer because of it. This may = better yield.
For a while I was using Botanicare veg and bloom nutes that I was given. As I have run out I am back to the fox farm I already owned which includes a flower booster. So I may see an increase from this. The LST HB seemed to like the last dose with Beastie Bloomz.

My Ex-wife's boyfriend is growing my clones in a sub-terranian green house in the desert, cooled by a solar powered swamp cooler. I think he is getting a little higher yield, but he is using sun and 20+ gallon tubs.

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Nice photos as usual Hayduke, thanks for the Memorial Day Update. The buds in the jar look so nice.

I like to believe LSTing a sativa strain is a good idea. They are a tall thin starin so they seem just right to try LST technique.

Indica strains are already short and bushy already providing lots of branches for bud.

Ladybugs seem such a neat way to control pests. I've only grown a bit and have been lucky enough so far not to get a pest infestation. If I do I think I'll try ladybugs if I get attacked.

Thanks again for sharing.

good growing to ya


yellowsnakes

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Thanks Snake Dude. If you are thinking about lady bugs, get them BEFORE you get an infestation. Once an infestation is present, predatory insects are not much help. They also seem to prefer starvation to the crawling stage of thrips and the slow young fungus gnats. Dying for lack of spider mites. I think they may be keeping the numbers low. I have used one sponge worth of predatory nematodes in the medium, but have yet to see any effect.

I had a word with the ladybugs yesterday after finding thrips damage on momma k-train and an individual on a clone in the veg box. I told them if they do not get off their lazy asses and eat some thrips, everybody is getting insecticidal soap, and if that does not work I will hit them with pyrethrum again and turn the place into a lifeless garden...I would rather not use this stuff. It is effective, but seems very toxic, I used very little, and could feel it on my bare feet on the carpet.

How do you get thrips and mites on an indoor grow?Do they just come in the house on your clothes or what?

Stoney McFried said:

How do you get thrips and mites on an indoor grow?Do they just come in the house on your clothes or what?

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No mites (yet) but I was told that they (pests) can smell your garden and actively seek out the tastiest of herbaceous vegetation. But I have also read that thrips like bright colors and will hitchhike in that way...so the thrips sticky traps are bright blue...they are absolutely not attracted to this crap...at least not more than they are attracted to weed. But the sticky shit on the board is fun to smear around the pot holes and watch the pile of dead fungus gnats pile up as they run out of their hole when you tap on the pot. I want to find this sticky stuff in a tube and use it this way as it is most effective for getting the adults.

Maybe that's why I haven't gotten any.The soil down here is kinda sandy, but I do have a good garden going outside.However, I have toads in that garden eating bugs, and my daughter released a bunch of baby mantises as well.Would honey work as a sticky trap?

Hayduke said:

No mites (yet) but I was told that they (pests) can smell your garden and actively seek out the tastiest of herbaceous vegetation. But I have also read that thrips like bright colors and will hitchhike in that way...so the thrips sticky traps are bright blue...they are absolutely not attracted to this crap...at least not more than they are attracted to weed. But the sticky shit on the board is fun to smear around the pot holes and watch the pile of dead fungus gnats pile up as they run out of their hole when you tap on the pot. I want to find this sticky stuff in a tube and use it this way as it is most effective for getting the adults.

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Stoney McFried said:

Maybe that's why I haven't gotten any.The soil down here is kinda sandy, but I do have a good garden going outside.However, I have toads in that garden eating bugs, and my daughter released a bunch of baby mantises as well.Would honey work as a sticky trap?

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Honey would probably work, but it is water sol, and may attract ants. I have heard of using petroleum jelly around base to stop them from crawling up. The outdoor garden may keep them happy (in the very low numbers with all your predators!!!!) I have spider mites every year on my hops, but last summer they stayed outside. Mantis', how awesome. My local grow shop has eggs, but it seems like you get way more than would be manageable indoors. Now that the cat has gone...I would love to have a couple of those garden monsters!

They're all over the place around here. I've seen one that was 8 inches long, no kidding. She found a little cocoon, and figured it was a butterfly maybe(she likes to raise them and release them) and she put it in a warm spot on our porch.One day, we looked and it had broken open, and little tiny mantises were pouring out...She caught a few and fed them, and released them.

Hayduke said:

Honey would probably work, but it is water sol, and may attract ants. I have heard of using petroleum jelly around base to stop them from crawling up. The outdoor garden may keep them happy (in the very low numbers with all your predators!!!!) I have spider mites every year on my hops, but last summer they stayed outside. Mantis', how awesome. My local grow shop has eggs, but it seems like you get way more than would be manageable indoors. Now that the cat has gone...I would love to have a couple of those garden monsters!

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Stoney McFried said:

They're all over the place around here. I've seen one that was 8 inches long, no kidding. She found a little cocoon, and figured it was a butterfly maybe(she likes to raise them and release them) and she put it in a warm spot on our porch.One day, we looked and it had broken open, and little tiny mantises were pouring out...She caught a few and fed them, and released them.

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Your daughter sounds cool.

She can be, when she's not morphing into a mouthy teenager, lol.She's 11.I also have a 4 year old.

Hayduke said:

Your daughter sounds cool.

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