Health Care.... The myth... and reality.

CrackerJax

New Member
A Fast, Cheap Way to Cool the Planet

Forget about carbon. If we want to buffer global warming, cutting methane is the key.


By ROBERT WATSON AND MOHAMED EL-ASHRY

This month's Copenhagen talks focused on the leading climate change culprit: carbon dioxide. But reversing global temperature increases by reducing carbon emissions will take many decades, if not centuries. Even if the largest cuts in CO2 contemplated in Copenhagen are implemented, it simply will not reverse the melting of ice already occurring in the most sensitive areas, including the rapid disappearance of glaciers in Tibet, the Arctic and Latin America.
So what can we do to effectively buffer global warming? The most obvious strategy is to make an all-out effort to reduce emissions of methane.
Sometimes called the "other greenhouse gas," methane is responsible for 75% as much warming as carbon dioxide measured over any given 20 years. Unlike carbon dioxide, which remains in the atmosphere for hundreds of years, methane lasts only a decade but packs a powerful punch while it's there.
Methane's short life makes it especially interesting in the short run, given the pace of climate change. If we need to suppress temperature quickly in order to preserve glaciers, reducing methane can make an immediate impact. Compared to the massive requirements necessary to reduce CO2, cutting methane requires only modest investment. Where we stop methane emissions, cooling follows within a decade, not centuries. That could make the difference for many fragile systems on the brink.
Yet global discussions about climate and policies to date have not focused on methane. Methane is formally in the "basket" of six gases targeted by the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. But its value is counted as if it has the same lifetime as carbon dioxide.
This ignores its much larger, near-term potential. As a result, methane represents only about 15% of the projects under the Kyoto Protocol's emissions offset program. And it is not a major focus of climate protection programs in any nation.
This is huge missed opportunity, and not just for the climate. Methane also forms ozone, the smog that severely damages food crops and kills tens of thousands each year by worsening asthma, emphysema and other respiratory diseases
Captured methane gas can be used as a clean energy source, contributing to energy security and diversification as well as reducing damaging black carbon (soot) and CO2 emissions. Solving the methane problem will lead to a higher quality of life by cleaning up city and agricultural wastes and odors, and curbing air pollution from dirty stoves and local industries. It will also create local jobs in construction and operation of methane-abating equipment.
Methane comes from a variety of sources: landfills, sewage streams, coal mines, oil and gas drilling operations, agricultural wastes, and cattle farms. For most of these sources, relatively cheap "end of pipe" technologies are available to collect methane and convert it to useful energy rather than venting it to the atmosphere.
These technologies include drilling into coal seams before mining to release and collect methane (this also reduces the risk of mine explosions, which kill hundreds of miners per year); depositing manure into "biogas" digesting tanks where pipes collect methane produced from decomposition; and covering and lining open landfills, shunting methane into a collection pipe.
In most cases, the collected methane can be used to run a village- or city-scale power plant. The Institute for Applied Systems Analysis and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimate that as much as 40% of the world's projected methane could be reduced at less than $60 dollars per ton of carbon equivalent. Some methane projects even have "negative" cost, as the value of the captured gas exceeds the investment.
Experience has shown that even with modest incentives, methane projects, which are typically small scale, can move fast. Timberline Energy, a U.S. company, reports an expected construction time of six to eight months for landfill gas projects once financing is secured. And the United Nations Clean Development Mechanism estimates that setting up biogas projects can take as little as five months. Hundreds of shovel-ready projects around the world are ready to go, but are stalled because of uncertainty over future carbon rules.
This is why on Dec. 11, along with a distinguished group of colleagues from the scientific and financial communities, we proposed the creation of a Global Methane Fund to address the specific measures needed to get methane projects off the ground now. This includes a guaranteed price floor for methane projects to allay uncertainty over future carbon prices.
Funded by governments and private foundations, a Global Methane Fund with only $100 million to $200 million could leverage tens of billions of dollars for other projects, which will have a quick and measurable cooling effect in the Arctic and elsewhere. Scientific studies, such as the EPA's June 2006 report, "Global Mitigation of Non-CO2 Greenhouse Gases," conservatively indicate that we could eliminate 1.3 gigatons of annual CO2 equivalent emissions—that's half the U.S. power industry's emissions—just by targeting landfills, coal mines, and oil and gas leaks.
Such a fund would benefit melting glaciers in the Arctic, and in the Andean and Himalayan mountains. And it would demonstrate to the world that we can do something to quickly slow climate change.
We need to get moving to cool the planet's temperature. Methane is the most effective place for us to start.
Mr. Watson is former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Mr. Mohamed El-Ashry is a senior fellow at the United Nations Foundation, and former CEO of Global Environment Facility, an independent partnership that funds environmental projects in the developing world.

================================================

I don't quite agree with everything he "takes for granted", but he's got an interesting idea....
 

edwardtheclean

Well-Known Member
do any of you know? and then compare that shit with anything else, and complain about something that matters,

A U.S. Vet can be injured from Iraq and come home and not get close to the medical attention as someone that was rich or famous would get.
 

edwardtheclean

Well-Known Member
If you throw in farm unemployment, it's closer to 17%. Also, lots of folks have quit looking, and are not counted.

It's much more than 10.2% ... and climbing.

The govt. is causing the unemployment, not fixing it. Now they think we should trust them with health care?

what i laugh about is that in the 80's and 90's when Tupac and Biggie(metaphor) were tellin every one that the government is messed up and all that shit, like every thing you say about it now, it has been like that my whole life, its not new, why is every one crying now? G.......
 

edwardtheclean

Well-Known Member
i lose my job working for a rich guy because he moves his company over seas because the taxes are too high here, when like 8 years ago that tax code by tha GOP said it was cool, but no one complained then,
 
K

Keenly

Guest
i lose my job working for a rich guy because he moves his company over seas because the taxes are too high here, when like 8 years ago that tax code by tha GOP said it was cool, but no one complained then,
it has little to do with taxes, its all about exploiting cheap labor, shipping to america, and jacking up prices


globalism at its finest
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Business will always gravitate to the friendliest environment.

Liberal policies push the jobs overseas by insisting unions produce the goods, which automatically means business cannot compete.

They flee, and rightfully so.
 

edwardtheclean

Well-Known Member
rightfully so, like any one else would, but when your company profits Billions a year.....a year, then thats just plain silly guys, ..... Like "hey, uh, well the company has lost 80 billion profit this year(lost), even tho we still made 100 Billion profit." then they move over seas? this money goes were guys?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
There are plenty of good ways to bring down the cost of health care. Handing it over to the govt. isn't one of them ...
 

edwardtheclean

Well-Known Member
handing it over to the government? brain washed i feel you are. Look, the government is trying to fix what........who is in charge of heathcare now? well, fix the broken system that robs people and makes BILLIONS profit, its ok to start your own company and make it to the top, but some of these doctors go into their own practice because they know they can charge the rich people mad loot, but the people that can not afford to have there kid brake their arm more than once is criminal, My bottom line is that if the government, wants to fix a stupid "technical system" and give healthcare to people like me growing up then i am for that, and most people are, but the problem is, is that every one only see's what they want to see, if my mom works her whole life and can not afford a practical healthcare coverage plan, then that is retarded, we can give crack heads food stamps but cant give children a doctor with out making them pay, what they cannot afford, please tell me you see my point?
 
K

Keenly

Guest
handing it over to the government? brain washed i feel you are. Look, the government is trying to fix what........who is in charge of heathcare now? well, fix the broken system that robs people and makes BILLIONS profit, its ok to start your own company and make it to the top, but some of these doctors go into their own practice because they know they can charge the rich people mad loot, but the people that can not afford to have there kid brake their arm more than once is criminal, My bottom line is that if the government, wants to fix a stupid "technical system" and give healthcare to people like me growing up then i am for that, and most people are, but the problem is, is that every one only see's what they want to see, if my mom works her whole life and can not afford a practical healthcare coverage plan, then that is retarded, we can give crack heads food stamps but cant give children a doctor with out making them pay, what they cannot afford, please tell me you see my point?

dont you fucking understand that they are making it MANDATORY to purchase health insurance?

that is NOT constitutional... do you believe in the constitution at all?

they are going to get the IRS to make sure you buy you health insurance, or be fined / arrested

this is NOT freedom


fascism will come to america wrapped in the american flag holding a cross

and in this case, in disguise of "fixing" a system

so many people are brainwashed into thinking this will "fix" the system

fuck no, its just going to force you to buy insurance...
and you can fucking kiss my ass if you really are down with forcing everyone to buy insurance as a fix is a good idea
 

edwardtheclean

Well-Known Member
hey, who would have guessed, another angry guy that is directed by fox news, thats hilarious, its so funny when people talk about the constitution these days,

"oh no they are taking our freedom away, they are going to make me have medical insurance", like, you that does not have it now goes to the doctor and pays cash or what? Mr take my freedom away, do you have insurance? its all about the government now, when i said i didnt like bush for sending me to iraq, you guys was fine then, fine when the patriot act was signed, (with Cheney looking over with his personal camera), every one was fine, but now, you guys are like fuck the government...man, I like the government, its politicians that we all should hate, not the government, the governments best intrests are the people, not politicians, you know what i mean?
 

edwardtheclean

Well-Known Member
but everyone knew that medical insurers was doin people dirty for years,

Every one likes the government making their roads, the military protecting them,ect. but when it comes to the government saying you should get insurance you do not like it? and no one is making you get it im sure, i think you have a fine to pay or something if you dont have it, just like car insurance i think, Freedom, i love it when Americans bitch about freedom, actually i cant stand it, its sad, sad when an American that has never thought about doing anything for their country starts bitching about freedom,
 
K

Keenly

Guest
hey, who would have guessed, another angry guy that is directed by fox news, thats hilarious, its so funny when people talk about the constitution these days,

"oh no they are taking our freedom away, they are going to make me have medical insurance", like, you that does not have it now goes to the doctor and pays cash or what? Mr take my freedom away, do you have insurance? its all about the government now, when i said i didnt like bush for sending me to iraq, you guys was fine then, fine when the patriot act was signed, (with Cheney looking over with his personal camera), every one was fine, but now, you guys are like fuck the government...man, I like the government, its politicians that we all should hate, not the government, the governments best intrests are the people, not politicians, you know what i mean?
more ignorant assumptions, cry fox news when you get some one who doesnt want to be forced to buy insurance

i was fucking 14 years old when they got sent to iraq, so what the fuck was i supposed to do?

all the countries problems are my fault, or so you preach it


im not going to fucking pay for health insurance thats forced upon me, i do not have a choice (according to the bill) i can not opt out

thats totalitarianism... thats bullshit... and i cant believe your begging for it
 
K

Keenly

Guest
but everyone knew that medical insurers was doin people dirty for years,

Every one likes the government making their roads, the military protecting them,ect. but when it comes to the government saying you should get insurance you do not like it? and no one is making you get it im sure, i think you have a fine to pay or something if you dont have it, just like car insurance i think, Freedom, i love it when Americans bitch about freedom, actually i cant stand it, its sad, sad when an American that has never thought about doing anything for their country starts bitching about freedom,
again, your wrong

sounds like you have not even read the legislation, and your sitting here trying to talk to me about freedom

:roll:


i will not waste my life and become totally brainwashed for the sake of the military industrial complex... when you join the military, you are not fighting for your country, at least not in these days your not


when you join the military today you become a pawn for very rich men, and im sorry you were used and have no idea

how it SHOULD be : you join the military and serve the constitution of the united states of america, the fucking foundation this nation was founded upon, you swear your allegiance to it, not to the pockets of bankers and politicians
 

CrackerJax

New Member
There is nothing wrong with health care in the USA that cannot be remedied by the private sector ... if it is ALLOWED to.

Who is standing in the way? Take a guess.
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
handing it over to the government? brain washed i feel you are. Look, the government is trying to fix what........who is in charge of heathcare now? well, fix the broken system that robs people and makes BILLIONS profit, its ok to start your own company and make it to the top, but some of these doctors go into their own practice because they know they can charge the rich people mad loot, but the people that can not afford to have there kid brake their arm more than once is criminal, My bottom line is that if the government, wants to fix a stupid "technical system" and give healthcare to people like me growing up then i am for that, and most people are, but the problem is, is that every one only see's what they want to see, if my mom works her whole life and can not afford a practical healthcare coverage plan, then that is retarded, we can give crack heads food stamps but cant give children a doctor with out making them pay, what they cannot afford, please tell me you see my point?
The government cannot give anyone anything, unless they first take something away from somebody else.
 
Top