Heaths Vertical???? No dam?

CannaBare

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Okay so i am making a portable version of heaths vertical with 3 layers of tubes instead of four. I will be buying a 400 gph pump to keep it oxygenated. My question is will i need a dam to keep the water level up? Is it okay for the roots to be in shallow running water instead of what heath has done? will it be as effective?

I am at the dam part of the build so any help asap is appreciated!

Thanks so much!
 

CannaBare

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It will literally be like a river running through the tubes without any water being held back. I feel like this will be very beneficial because the nutrient solution will be recirculated constantly instead of being held behind a dam
 

Corso312

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I thought the purpose of the dams was to created more oxygen...probably plenty of dissolved oxygen in there already without the dams I am guessing..prolly be fine without em.
 

CannaBare

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Okay. I believe the technique i am talking about is nft. Will growing potential be lower with less water for the roots? You're prbably right ill be ok.

Thanks a lot!
 

moggggys

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a dam will create stagnant water , the action of the water moving through the tubes creates oxygenated water and thus is better for the plants , you require a cascade rather than internal pools
 

CannaBare

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So more or less as long as the water is moving i will have the same grow potential? I just want to make sure to have the same grow potential as my previous DWC grows. Will this more or less mimic DWC?

Edit: grow potential wise.
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
No matter what you do (or anybody else) it won't be as good as Heath's; the man has it dialed in to absolute perfection. Not saying that to bust your chops, but just to say you're on the right track emulating a true master.
 

CannaBare

Well-Known Member
No matter what you do (or anybody else) it won't be as good as Heath's; the man has it dialed in to absolute perfection. Not saying that to bust your chops, but just to say you're on the right track emulating a true master.
Yeah Heaths is pretty legit! I think im close to replicating it. I might even have a better idea than him while using his idea so bear with me :)
 

contraptionated

New Member
Please remember to keep all specs exactly the same as heaths and use a squat and heavy producer . Paradise Seeds Wappa is a very good candidate. The specs must be the same. Including the free air space that surrounds the outside of the 4" tubing spiral. Here is why: when Heath lays the 20" round non oscillating circulation fan in a horizontal (blowing upward) position it creates a lot of air pressure flowing upward within the vertical piping spiral . The pressure differential that is created by blowing the hot air mass from within the spiral ( blowing from bottom to top of course ) not only blows air upward toward the undersides of the leaves ( exactly where the stomata needs it) it pulls air horizontally in between the 4" pipes from outside of the inner diameter of the spiral toward the center. This simply placed horizontally oriented fan blows air upward and pulls air inward from in between all the 4" pipes. The most perfect airflow possible. It cannot get any better for this set-up unless you put an extraction fan in the mix which pulls the air from the ceiling centrally located above the bulb ( but that theory is untested). I researched every single available vertical grow journal that attempted to have the same success Heath did with his Flooded Tube Vertical. Here is what I found. All have fell very short of his glory because none have had 100% respect for his science. Nobody copied every aspect of that grow exactly. Nobody! Here is a list of the burdens to get the same success or better. 1.) The inner diameter must be the same as his 2.) you must use the dams because it creates surface turbulence throughout the air/water interface which in turn is the reason why he gets so much oxygen to the root zone ( the outflow into the reservoir has less to do with getting the oxygen there than this trick he uses, all without airstones) and brings the root zone in close contact with the water surface 3.) Please refrain from using more than 1 -600 watt hps and do not make a 1000 watt version unless you know how to proportion all the spacings and other dimensions accordingly and you are willing to add an exhaust fan to the mix ( although I would just try to emulate his 600w first before trying to one up him). 4.) remember that you never want the 600watt lamp to be further than 2 feet away from the plants 5.) you must use the same or better reflective pipe insulation . 6.) 20" articulating round fan absolutely necessary. 7.) Inner Diameter of the vertical grow space must be exactly the same.Remember that his 4" tube vertical style yielded better much better results once he started using the dam and made the inner diameter of the 4" pipe such that the fan blowing air from the bottom to top would also pull a lot of air in horizontally between the pipes because of the hot air pressure differential from the inner and outer diameter of the air space on either side of the 4" pipes. It's like he has a multitude of fans blowing into the center between the 4" pipes. But you must keep all dimensions the same as he did. You must have full respect for science because the chain is only as strong as the weakest link and if you're attempting to emulate him please bear in
mind that people have a 0% success ratio when they do this (ALL WHO ATTEMPTED TO COPY HEATHS FLOODED TUBE VERTICAL FAILED MISERABLY, I SPENT MONTHS LOOKING INTO IT sorry for yelling ). The common denominator I found with all the failed emulators was their disrespect to do everything the same way he did. It's like the old saying goes... WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS READ THE INSTRUCTIONS. Those instructions are contained in the thread titled HEATHS FLOODED TUBE VERTICAL. He uses the dam, so you have no choice but to do the same.
 
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