Help choosing most efficient cobs

Salah82

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if youre in US i can match their prices after shipping.

if youre not in us they can prob do you better depending on size of order, etc
Im in Euorpe my man. But still you could look over my list if you dont mind, maybe you give me a total....I was going to order the Luminus and the 60-1050 Drivers from Digikey in Germany....
Everything else i need, including hangers was going to be from Kingbrite.

Can i sent you a direct message here somehow? Or how do you want me to contact you with the things i need?
 

InTheValley

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The luminus are more powerfull then you think, so get a dimmer for them, and lower them to 12 inches to reduce side absorption.

Ive adjusted some things, Light is 16 inches off canopy, 200Watts, 45,000 lux in center.
I adjust all lowest via dimmer, add 110 watts of 3500K then add 90 watts of 4000K,
Farred on only during last half of day, then off before lights out. Flipping in 6 days.
Its going to be a freakin mess, i already see this. Its a tad to the right, tryin to get the farest branches to get to the net, contemplated chopping of the entire 2 branches, ( lowest node of the 2) on the right plant, they seem lanky, but starting to get there. day56vegscrogSat1.png day56vegscrogSat2.png day56vegscrogSat5.png day56vegscrogSat3.png day56vegscrogSat4.png
 

InTheValley

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I do expect these to stretch to, probably 100%, but might be 300%, not sure of the phenotype yet of these. But im going to guess the Left maxes out at 300%, and the right 100% stretch. Will even them out by removing most top fan leafs from the tallest cola, ( it slows them down for 4-5 days ) Im kinda hoping i dont get those beer can colas on this one, but i doubt it.
 

Airwalker16

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The luminus are more powerfull then you think, so get a dimmer for them, and lower them to 12 inches to reduce side absorption.

Ive adjusted some things, Light is 16 inches off canopy, 200Watts, 45,000 lux in center.
I adjust all lowest via dimmer, add 110 watts of 3500K then add 90 watts of 4000K,
Farred on only during last half of day, then off before lights out. Flipping in 6 days.
Its going to be a freakin mess, i already see this. Its a tad to the right, tryin to get the farest branches to get to the net, contemplated chopping of the entire 2 branches, ( lowest node of the 2) on the right plant, they seem lanky, but starting to get there. View attachment 4176162 View attachment 4176165 View attachment 4176166 View attachment 4176167 View attachment 4176168
Far red should be on for really only the last 15-30 Mins of AFTER Lights Out. There's some merit to turning on before they go out, but it's really only to be used on its own, while the lights are out, to trigger the sleeping quicker.
 

Salah82

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Same series but with up to 2Amps at 48vf. Can be used but you need probably a bit more distance to avoid issues. With 100w COB's I would start at 24-30" and than reduce the height slowly untill I see signs of heat/light stress. I dont know if 48vf is already it's maximum but most 50v COB's needs more than 48v at 2Amps.
Another thing....with 7x3 lights in my 8x4 tent and 3x3 lights in the 100x100cm tent .... do i even need reflectors?!
 

Randomblame

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Another thing....with 7x3 lights in my 8x4 tent and 3x3 lights in the 100x100cm tent .... do i even need reflectors?!
Nope! I don't like reflectors because they increase minimum heights and can cause hotspots. Without them you can go closer to the tops. Reflectors and lenses are only needed if you need to brigde a long distance. In tents I would rather do it without.
 

Salah82

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Man some pictures of my brothers cob rooms would be appreciated! Getting me even more inspired.
 

Randomblame

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If you like search for "growmau5" on youtube. He has made lots of useful video's about COB's and how to build own fixtures. There are also a few grow logs with results of 1,7g/w. Prototyp developement using quatumboards, COB's, single diodes and UVB bulbs in one big fixture. Group talks with other LED peeps are interesting too but sometimes +1,5h and a lot blah blah in between. Above all I recommend everything that concerns the DIY sector. A lot of useful things to learn ..
 

InTheValley

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Far red should be on for really only the last 15-30 Mins of AFTER Lights Out. There's some merit to turning on before they go out, but it's really only to be used on its own, while the lights are out, to trigger the sleeping quicker.
I heard 730 and 660, boosts photosynthesis, So i use the 730 and it mixes with my others COBS to get the better spectrum for photosynthesis, which i also heard, having those spectrums combined, you can lower your par as the sweet spot is 400PAR with this combination,

I do use it for flower at night, but i want these girls to build up the ATPs for nighttime themselves.

Ive noticed the farred puck helped with flower on during the day also.

if im wrong on my findings, then learn me straight, im all ears,

and also, the farred is only needed for 1 minute at lights out, i guess its that fast.
 

nfhiggs

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but i want these girls to build up the ATPs for nighttime themselves
Cannabis is a C3 plant. It does not "do" anything during the night cycle. C4 plants use the night cycle to process CO2 using stored energy (in the form of ATP).

in conjunction. google "Emerson Effect"

ive also read about some limitations of that approach here, cant remember exactly...
Emerson Effect occurs at 680 nm and 700 nm. Emerson found that both wavelengths together increased photosynthesis by about ten percent more than if only one or the other frequency was used. It is probably the most misunderstood concept in plant biology. All it really showed is that there are two different chloroplasts at work, one with an absorption peak at 680 nm and the other is at 700 nm. Nothing more. When compared to the total photosynthesis occurring when a plant is bathed in strong white light, the Emerson Effect is completely buried and is quite insignificant.

IMHO, chasing the Emerson Effect is a complete waste of time unless you plan to grow under very weak light.
 

Randomblame

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I heard 730 and 660, boosts photosynthesis, So i use the 730 and it mixes with my others COBS to get the better spectrum for photosynthesis, which i also heard, having those spectrums combined, you can lower your par as the sweet spot is 400PAR with this combination,

I do use it for flower at night, but i want these girls to build up the ATPs for nighttime themselves.

Ive noticed the farred puck helped with flower on during the day also.

if im wrong on my findings, then learn me straight, im all ears,

and also, the farred is only needed for 1 minute at lights out, i guess its that fast.
Using 730nm during the day can still be useful. Under LED's photosynthesis system one(PS-I) seems over-excited compared to PS-II and some far-red(up to 90μMol/s/m²) can compensate for this making photosynthesis more efficient. It also helps to increase the leaf temps. For a 3x 3' area one puck may be a bit too little and you should consider to add a second one.
Below is a paper about far-red and what it does when used together with the main light.

BTW,
CRI90 and above contains twice as much far red like CRI80 or 70 so its also a way to add these wavelengths.
At least the paper provides some clues that could explain why CRI90 seems to have advantages over CRI80.
 

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Salah82

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Question: Kingbrite is telling me they have CLU 48 Heatsinks with idela holders+adaptors+reflectors?
Can i use this set for the Luminus CXm22 without any problems??!
 

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BarryBwana

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You guys seem to know your stuff. I'm trying to get a light for flowering in my 4x2x6" tent and want to produce best quality buds I can. I'm in Canada and heard Bcblondes.com builds good fixtures.


Wondering if you could recommend one of the followimg lights over the other ...or even a better one to get in Canada. I want it to be Non HPS.

NEW!! 340 Real Watt Led Grow Bar - Samsung 561- $599CAD
https://www.bcblondes.com/category-s/117.htm
  • Dimmable: 100%(340 watt), 75%(255 watt), 50%(173 watt), 25%(88 watt) settings
  • Modular Racking System that allows you to connect several together to make 1 big light
  • 800 Samsung LM561 3000K Led Diodes
  • Meanwell HLG 320H Power supply
  • Projected PPF @ 100%: 741 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 75%: 584 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 50%: 413 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 25%: 221 ppf
  • Projected Umol/Joule: 2.17 @ 100%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.29 @ 75%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.43 @ 50%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.60 @ 25%
  • Recommend Mounting Height: 18-24 Inches
  • Passive cooling, no fans.
Or

NEW!! 340 Real Watt GAME CHANGER Led Grow Bar -$699CAD
https://www.bcblondes.com/product-p/bcb-340-301b
  • Draws 340 Watts from the wall
  • Dimmable: 100%(340 watt), 75%(255 watt), 50%(173 watt), 25%(88 watt) settings
  • 960 Samsung LM301B 3000K Led Diodes
  • Modular Racking System that allows you to connect several together to make 1 big light
  • Meanwell HLG 320H Power supply
  • Projected PPF @ 100%: 862 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 75%: 684 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 50%: 463 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 25%: 241 ppf
  • Projected Umol/Joule: 2.53 @ 100%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.66 @ 75%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.73 @ 50%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.84 @ 25%
  • Recommend Mounting Height: 18-24 Inches
  • Passive cooling, no fans.
Or even should I spurge on their 850w cob setups? $1099-1199CAD
100% Original BC BLONDES 850 WATT LED PANEL
  • Draws 850 Watts from the wall
  • Dimmable from outside enclosure
  • 3 Power settings with switches
  • Approx 144,000 Lumens
  • CREE CXB3590 COB LED DB BIN Chips
  • Meanwell HLG 240H 1750B power supplies
  • Warrantied & Sold From Canada
  • White Cree 12x3500k
  • Very Tight Beam Angle (90°)
  • Veg & Bud
  • Recommended for 4x4 or 5x5 area
  • Replace 1000+ Watt HPS
  • Approx 50% Less Heat than 1000 watt hps
  • 24" x 24" x 3"
Thanks for any feedback!!
 

Randomblame

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Question: Kingbrite is telling me they have CLU 48 Heatsinks with idela holders+adaptors+reflectors?
Can i use this set for the Luminus CXm22 without any problems??!

@CobKits should know that. But I like the BJB holder more because they are white, made from plastics and have something like a build-in mini reflector. You can still add the KB reflectors but I would't. Also the best reflectors are only 94-95% efficient which means you will loose light if you use them.

I do not know why you're so attached to Jerry? Do you have on the screen that you have to pay custom- and shipping-fees? A package of 10 heatsinks shipped via dhl costs you an arm and a leg(+100). Custom fees are another 20-25%..

If you're located in the US with cobkits you get everything you need without customs fees and with domestic shipping. Will go faster and in the end you probably save a few bucks too and you support a US seller.
 

Salah82

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@CobKits should know that. But I like the BJB holder more because they are white, made from plastics and have something like a build-in mini reflector. You can still add the KB reflectors but I would't. Also the best reflectors are only 94-95% efficient which means you will loose light if you use them.

I do not know why you're so attached to Jerry? Do you have on the screen that you have to pay custom- and shipping-fees? A package of 10 heatsinks shipped via dhl costs you an arm and a leg(+100). Custom fees are another 20-25%..

If you're located in the US with cobkits you get everything you need without customs fees and with domestic shipping. Will go faster and in the end you probably save a few bucks too and you support a US seller.
Yeah but im not in the US......they can write up a lower bill for customs. I am not sure if i can rely on their heatsink for the bjb holders....can you see if they will fit by the way they drilled the holes......and keep in mind im totally new to this so i have no idea.....just dont wann spent $800+ and end up with a set that doesnt work with the Luminus CXM22....you feel me?!!! here is a picture of their 133mm heatsink:
 

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Randomblame

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You guys seem to know your stuff. I'm trying to get a light for flowering in my 4x2x6" tent and want to produce best quality buds I can. I'm in Canada and heard Bcblondes.com builds good fixtures.


Wondering if you could recommend one of the followimg lights over the other ...or even a better one to get in Canada. I want it to be Non HPS.

NEW!! 340 Real Watt Led Grow Bar - Samsung 561- $599CAD
https://www.bcblondes.com/category-s/117.htm
  • Dimmable: 100%(340 watt), 75%(255 watt), 50%(173 watt), 25%(88 watt) settings
  • Modular Racking System that allows you to connect several together to make 1 big light
  • 800 Samsung LM561 3000K Led Diodes
  • Meanwell HLG 320H Power supply
  • Projected PPF @ 100%: 741 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 75%: 584 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 50%: 413 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 25%: 221 ppf
  • Projected Umol/Joule: 2.17 @ 100%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.29 @ 75%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.43 @ 50%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.60 @ 25%
  • Recommend Mounting Height: 18-24 Inches
  • Passive cooling, no fans.
Or

NEW!! 340 Real Watt GAME CHANGER Led Grow Bar -$699CAD
https://www.bcblondes.com/product-p/bcb-340-301b
  • Draws 340 Watts from the wall
  • Dimmable: 100%(340 watt), 75%(255 watt), 50%(173 watt), 25%(88 watt) settings
  • 960 Samsung LM301B 3000K Led Diodes
  • Modular Racking System that allows you to connect several together to make 1 big light
  • Meanwell HLG 320H Power supply
  • Projected PPF @ 100%: 862 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 75%: 684 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 50%: 463 ppf
  • Projected PPF @ 25%: 241 ppf
  • Projected Umol/Joule: 2.53 @ 100%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.66 @ 75%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.73 @ 50%
  • Projected Umol/Joule 2.84 @ 25%
  • Recommend Mounting Height: 18-24 Inches
  • Passive cooling, no fans.
Or even should I spurge on their 850w cob setups? $1099-1199CAD
100% Original BC BLONDES 850 WATT LED PANEL
  • Draws 850 Watts from the wall
  • Dimmable from outside enclosure
  • 3 Power settings with switches
  • Approx 144,000 Lumens
  • CREE CXB3590 COB LED DB BIN Chips
  • Meanwell HLG 240H 1750B power supplies
  • Warrantied & Sold From Canada
  • White Cree 12x3500k
  • Very Tight Beam Angle (90°)
  • Veg & Bud
  • Recommended for 4x4 or 5x5 area
  • Replace 1000+ Watt HPS
  • Approx 50% Less Heat than 1000 watt hps
  • 24" x 24" x 3"
Thanks for any feedback!!
Take No.2!
One LM301b bar would be perfect for a 2x 4' area... The only thing I don't like is the way dimming is integrated. I would remove the 4 step switch and use a 100k poti instead ... this allows stepless dimming down to 6-10%.
 
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